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Post by witchfinder on Jun 21, 2024 9:59:49 GMT
We now have ....
Tory MP's defecting to Labour
Former Tory ministers vowing to vote Labour
major Tory donors switching to Labour
former Bank of England Monetary Policy committee members endorsing Rachel Reeves
former Bank of England Governor endorsing Rachel Reeves
Hundreds of thousands of Tory voters switching to Labour
Most Red Wall 2019 Tory voters switching back to Labour
Yet here we have on this forum, a bunch of Tory apologists who's only defence is that a Labour government under Starmer will (according to them) be either worse, or no better, and their evidence for this is. ?
Its not about personalities, or political tribalism or political doctrine, for most of the electorate its about the Tory record, which to put icing on the cake, now includes a group of senior Tories under investigation for doing what too many Tories always do ... indulging in self interest and breaking the rules.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 10:17:06 GMT
We now have .... Tory MP's defecting to Labour Former Tory ministers vowing to vote Labour major Tory donors switching to Labour former Bank of England Monetary Policy committee members endorsing Rachel Reeves former Bank of England Governor endorsing Rachel Reeves Hundreds of thousands of Tory voters switching to Labour Most Red Wall 2019 Tory voters switching back to Labour Yet here we have on this forum, a bunch of Tory apologists who's only defence is that a Labour government under Starmer will (according to them) be either worse, or no better, and their evidence for this is. ? Its not about personalities, or political tribalism or political doctrine, for most of the electorate its about the Tory record, which to put icing on the cake, now includes a group of senior Tories under investigation for doing what too many Tories always do ... indulging in self interest and breaking the rules. Of course it will be worse under starmer there has not been a Labour infestation yet where things got better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 11:02:34 GMT
I didn't watch it because the number of unadulterated cobblers being put out through the media has reached new heights, so it stands to reason they will be speaking absolute cobblers, the management has completely lost the plot, if they ever even had it that is.If ever you were being told voting is a complete sham this must be it. I'm supposedly interested in politics, but can't be bothered to watch these antics live. I just catch up on the so called highlights, later. It was good to hear that Starmer has to rely on Tony Bliar to know what a woman is. He couldn't support Rosie Duffield in her view. Considering he is married to a woman, Starmer should know better. He makes himself look stupid. Then he tried to make political capital over the murder of Brianna Ghey. What a ghoul he is. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 21, 2024 11:15:47 GMT
We now have .... Tory MP's defecting to Labour Former Tory ministers vowing to vote Labour major Tory donors switching to Labour former Bank of England Monetary Policy committee members endorsing Rachel Reeves former Bank of England Governor endorsing Rachel Reeves Hundreds of thousands of Tory voters switching to Labour Most Red Wall 2019 Tory voters switching back to Labour Yet here we have on this forum, a bunch of Tory apologists who's only defence is that a Labour government under Starmer will (according to them) be either worse, or no better, and their evidence for this is. ? Its not about personalities, or political tribalism or political doctrine, for most of the electorate its about the Tory record, which to put icing on the cake, now includes a group of senior Tories under investigation for doing what too many Tories always do ... indulging in self interest and breaking the rules. Of course it will be worse under starmer there has not been a Labour infestation yet where things got better. All governments have improved living standards with the exception of this one. So basically you're making things up. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 11:30:34 GMT
Of course it will be worse under starmer there has not been a Labour infestation yet where things got better. All governments have improved living standards with the exception of this one. So basically you're making things up. When has a labour infestation ever made anything better for the working class andrea.? |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 21, 2024 11:37:10 GMT
I didn't watch it because the number of unadulterated cobblers being put out through the media has reached new heights, so it stands to reason they will be speaking absolute cobblers, the management has completely lost the plot, if they ever even had it that is.If ever you were being told voting is a complete sham this must be it. I'm supposedly interested in politics, but can't be bothered to watch these antics live. I just catch up on the so called highlights, later. It was good to hear that Starmer has to rely on Tony Bliar to know what a woman is. He couldn't support Rosie Duffield in her view. Considering he is married to a woman, Starmer should know better. He makes himself look stupid. Then he tried to make political capital over the murder of Brianna Ghey. What a ghoul he is. I stopped listening to the false sincerity speeches probably about 2005. I have to switch them off and it is only the occasional one I can listen to like Andrew Bridgen, David Davies and off the top of my head I can no longer think of a Labour politician I can listen to since Frank Field and Kate Hooey left as MPs. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 21, 2024 11:40:35 GMT
All governments have improved living standards with the exception of this one. So basically you're making things up. When has a labour infestation ever made anything better for the working class andrea.? EU enlargement made things far worse for most working class communities in that wages were depressed and held down and areas where families had lived for generations with mutual support in social housing were fractured by the need to provide social housing for FOM workers. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 11:46:03 GMT
We now have .... Tory MP's defecting to Labour Former Tory ministers vowing to vote Labour major Tory donors switching to Labour former Bank of England Monetary Policy committee members endorsing Rachel Reeves former Bank of England Governor endorsing Rachel Reeves All political opportunists changing with the way that they perceive the wind is blowing. We now have ....Hundreds of thousands of Tory voters switching to Labour Most Red Wall 2019 Tory voters switching back to Labour... Do you have any actual evidence of that, fiddles? Its not about personalities, or political tribalism or political doctrine... Clearly it is for you when you continue to make unsubstantiated assertions that run counter to all available evidence. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 21, 2024 11:50:27 GMT
... Being a PM has to be the full package, so saying 'it's not about personalities'.. is stupid.
The UK PM is on the world stage meeting world leaders, who the fuck wants a wet lettuce like Starmer representing us.
He's always blends in to the 'background', and when he talks he sounds gormless, although when he's meeting his EU cronies we wont hear him talking because his tongue will be that far up their arses he wont be able to.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 21, 2024 12:13:33 GMT
We now have .... Tory MP's defecting to Labour Former Tory ministers vowing to vote Labour major Tory donors switching to Labour former Bank of England Monetary Policy committee members endorsing Rachel Reeves former Bank of England Governor endorsing Rachel Reeves All political opportunists changing with the way that they perceive the wind is blowing. We now have ....Hundreds of thousands of Tory voters switching to Labour Most Red Wall 2019 Tory voters switching back to Labour... Its not about personalities, or political tribalism or political doctrine... Clearly it is for you when you continue to make unsubstantiated assertions that run counter to all available evidence. The latest Vote Migration Table by Electoral Calculous was completed in February and involved an MRP Poll of over 18,000 people. The table shows that about 10% of people who voted Conservative in 2019 are switching to Labour, which would represent about 1.4 Million votes, however, February was 4 months ago, and all indications are that this figure has increased. Any more questions ? www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/pseph_transition2024feb.html |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 12:17:39 GMT
And how many of those "Tory voters" are Red Wall voters switching back?
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2024 12:18:27 GMT
All political opportunists changing with the way that they perceive the wind is blowing. Do you have any actual evidence of that ? Clearly it is for you when you continue to make unsubstantiated assertions that run counter to all available evidence. The latest Vote Migration Table by Electoral Calculous was completed in February and involved an MRP Poll of over 18,000 people. The table shows that about 10% of people who voted Conservative in 2019 are switching to Labour, which would represent about 1.4 Million votes, however, February was 4 months ago, and all indications are that this figure has increased. Any more questions ? www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/pseph_transition2024feb.htmlYour link is just to a lefty blog FFS fiddles. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 21, 2024 12:27:18 GMT
When you have no other possible argument left, accuse the facts of been wrong, claim that the polls are biased or that the statistics are false.
"The founder of Electoral Calculus, Martin Baxter, and its sole employee, Marwan Riach, have regularly appeared on UK and international media to offer polling expertise to their audience"
Electoral Calculous is neither Left wing or Right wing, it deals only with research, data and evidence.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 21, 2024 12:33:03 GMT
When you have no other possible argument left, accuse the facts of been wrong, claim that the polls are biased or that the statistics are false."The founder of Electoral Calculus, Martin Baxter, and its sole employee, Marwan Riach, have regularly appeared on UK and international media to offer polling expertise to their audience" Electoral Calculous is neither Left wing or Right wing, it deals only with research, data and evidence. That is a reasonable argument. Polls a very blunt instruments. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 21, 2024 12:38:36 GMT
And there's only one that matters.
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