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Post by bancroft on Nov 30, 2022 11:48:04 GMT
I recall reading the reports at the time in the papers. There were concerns that all the material for the forensics went missing. Bamber had allegedly been out drinking and was questioned by two police sergeants not a detective. There was concern about two junior police officers manning the phones the night of the murders. The report then was that shotguns were originally used and yet Bamber loved his sisters kids. Both Bamber and his sister were adopted and with the family dead and Bamber arrested other extended family members stood to inherit a farm house. I recall it from the time too and not feeling then it was a safe conviction. Either he or the sister could have done it, could have wanted to do it and had access to the weapon (a rifle not a shotgun). Once a jury has said that they believe it's been proven then the burden of proof for any change falls on the convicted, he's going to die in prison and we'll never really know if he should have. Yes I had a funny gut reaction after reading the report that he was wrongly convicted and that this was an attempted robbery gone wrong and they tried to fit him up. It didn't help that as a young man he looked a bit different yet brought up as an orhpan and enjoying night life it seems he was an easy target. The forensics team suspected corruption as things like curtains going missing in a multiple murder was more than strange. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 30, 2022 14:11:37 GMT
"Lie Detector Evidence
In 2007, having been incarcerated for over 20 years Bamber took a lie detector test hoping it would help to prove he was innocent. The test lasted for almost 2 hours focussing mainly on 3 questions:
When asked if he had shot his family on 7 August 1985 he responded “no”.
Asked if he had shot 5 family members on the same date with an Anschutz rifle he again responded “no”.
When asked if he had been in the property when 5 family members were shot with an Anschutz rifle, his response was “no”.
Terry Mullins, an expert polygraph examiner, recorded “no deception indicated” (NID). He went further in proclaiming that he was convinced of Bamber’s innocence".
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Post by bancroft on Nov 30, 2022 18:20:55 GMT
This is one reason I don't agree with the death penalty, sometimes people get put away and they are innocent.
I don't think it happens often though.
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Post by Handyman on Dec 1, 2022 10:05:45 GMT
Polygraph Test which some people wrongly call them Lie Detectors are not relied on in the UK enforcement, they monitor the persons pulse, heart rate, nervous tension, they can be beaten by someone of strong character able to remain calm under pressure, or even trained to pass such a test
Despite claims that polygraph tests are between 80% to 90% accurate by advocates, the National Research Council has found no evidence of effectiveness
Studies have indicated that the relevant–irrelevant questioning technique is not ideal, as many innocent subjects exert a heightened physiological reaction to the crime-relevant questions.
The American Psychological Association States, most psychologists agree that there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies.
Bamber has made appeals against his conviction and been rejected I have no idea if he did carry out the murders or not but to date as far as I am aware, he has not been able to produce any new evidence not known or available at his trial to support another appeal.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Dec 2, 2022 17:04:50 GMT
Bamber's 2002 appeal ceadstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cead-images/Bamber.PDFHaving read through this I am now of the opinion that Bamber did commit the murders. It is also a fact that during his time in prison he has speculated that if his sister didn't commit the murders then ... and he goes off into bizarre conspiracy theory thinking that a sane person wouldn't indulge in. Sometimes crazy people can be sane 99% of the time. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 31, 2022 9:53:04 GMT
He says he is.
Or rather his lawyer says he is
From 1990 to 1992 I worked with his lawyers brother
That was quite a fun contract.
And it opened my eyes to the kind of cases his lawyer defends.
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