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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jun 13, 2024 0:47:39 GMT
2001: 200,000, today: 520,000.
The plan is to double the number of such settlers within 10 years.
The UK's stance is that these settlements are illegal and would need to be dismantled in the event of a two state solution being implemented (unless the Palestinians accept the settlers as fellow citizens).
Under International law the illegal settlers economic activities are seen as "plundering" of the Palestinians' resources.
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Post by totheleft on Jun 13, 2024 9:06:18 GMT
yes this is a disgraceful occurrence happing in the west bank yet there some people on this board will to except it with out comment or condemnation
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 9:14:56 GMT
The West Bank is not Israel. Invaders out.
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Post by piglet on Jun 13, 2024 9:22:20 GMT
Im probably wrong, but i thought Israel were settling in areas that they had won from Eygypt in the 1970s war. If that is the case, then i have no problem with it. If its not the case then who enforces international law?, has the west the inclination or power to enforce it?
Against a democratic left wing state? Any info on this would be appreciated. It is unusual for a democratic state to act in a non democratic way, i wonder what the Israel take on it is, remember, israel are lefties. Condemnation mr to the left, that more ground comes under democracy? The democracy you flourish under?
And not muslism, chopping of hands and feet, heads, whipping, hanging, mr big in charge, you know that 5th century thang.
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Post by blackiswhite on Jun 13, 2024 10:00:20 GMT
The West Bank is not Israel. Invaders out. The name Judea might be a clue for you. You do know that Israel offered a land swap for peace in this area which was as usual rejected by Arafat, then later by Mahmoud Abbas.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 10:12:15 GMT
The Oslo accords were rejected by Netanyahu from the start. He did everything he could to sabotage the peace process, he is as much a part of the problem as much as Hamas are. And he used Hamas to pressure the PLO not to make peace.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 13, 2024 10:34:50 GMT
The West Bank is not Israel. Invaders out. and then what? Israel forcibly removed all its settlers from Gaza 20 years ago - did that really help?
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 10:43:42 GMT
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Post by B-4 on Jun 13, 2024 12:13:43 GMT
The West Bank is not Israel. Invaders out. and then what? Israel forcibly removed all its settlers from Gaza 20 years ago - did that really help? I think many are upset that Hamas have been reduced and that Israel may actually try and prevent these attacks from recurring. The Left are in bed with Islamists, and Israel is being used to attract the new arrivals into this twisted alliance, which is why we're seeing violence, vandalism and murders from the Left/Islamists on the streets of England as a means of trying to terrorise us into supporting Hamas.
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Post by Tinculin on Jun 13, 2024 12:55:04 GMT
Im probably wrong, but i thought Israel were settling in areas that they had won from Eygypt in the 1970s war. If that is the case, then i have no problem with it. If its not the case then who enforces international law?, has the west the inclination or power to enforce it? Against a democratic left wing state? Any info on this would be appreciated. It is unusual for a democratic state to act in a non democratic way, i wonder what the Israel take on it is, remember, israel are lefties. Condemnation mr to the left, that more ground comes under democracy? The democracy you flourish under? And not muslism, chopping of hands and feet, heads, whipping, hanging, mr big in charge, you know that 5th century thang. After the war, Israel annexed Gaza and the West Bank, only to later give them up in exchange for peace - I.e, Egypt agreeing to recognize Israel as a sovereign state - which it now does. The issue for this entire region however is that Egypt / Jordan, refused to accept Gaza and the West Bank back as their territory, instead leaving them to fend for themselves and essentially leaving them stateless. Hence the calls then to recognise Palestine as a state. Israel doesn’t want the people of Gaza/West bank. Egypt doesn’t want the people of Gaza/West bank. Jordan doesn’t want the people of Gaza/West Bank. This doesn’t imo, leave much of a choice for everyone to acknowledge Palestine as its own state, except, even when push comes to shove, the people of Palestine refuse what’s offered, and demand additional land from Israel (which is then very obviously refused). Inevitably it would seem (short of ethnic cleansing), Palestine has to become its own state, but what everyone in that region needs to do, is come to an understanding and acceptance that everyone in that region has a right to coexist in their respective states and stop fighting.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 13:36:07 GMT
and then what? Israel forcibly removed all its settlers from Gaza 20 years ago - did that really help? I think many are upset that Hamas have been reduced and that Israel may actually try and prevent these attacks from recurring. The Left are in bed with Islamists, and Israel is being used to attract the new arrivals into this twisted alliance, which is why we're seeing violence, vandalism and murders from the Left/Islamists on the streets of England as a means of trying to terrorise us into supporting Hamas.
That is also true, it's a very complicated issue because religion is involved. If there were no religion involved, they'd all get along peacefully. They are after all, essentially the same people. Their languages are startlingly similar despite using different symbols. The way words are put together is the same. Kutub which means "wrote" in Arabic is the same as Katav the Hebrew word for "wrote". Both start books at the back and go forwards instead of starting at the front and heading to the back. Words are written back to front in both languages and read from right to left.
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Post by Ripley on Jun 13, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
Im probably wrong, but i thought Israel were settling in areas that they had won from Eygypt in the 1970s war. If that is the case, then i have no problem with it. If its not the case then who enforces international law?, has the west the inclination or power to enforce it? Against a democratic left wing state? Any info on this would be appreciated. It is unusual for a democratic state to act in a non democratic way, i wonder what the Israel take on it is, remember, israel are lefties. Condemnation mr to the left, that more ground comes under democracy? The democracy you flourish under? And not muslism, chopping of hands and feet, heads, whipping, hanging, mr big in charge, you know that 5th century thang. Israel's government is decidedly right wing. Over time, Israel's policies have been drifting farther and farther right, and Netanyahu's nationalist, exclusionist coalition government is the most extreme the country has had. There have been decades of policies that amount to de facto annexation of the occupied West Bank, and policies of Jewish supremacy. There have been five national elections since 2019, and now Netanyahu has built a coalition of ultra-Orthodox and religious Zionist parties that returned him to power, leading an even more extreme government in which settlers occupy key ministerial posts.The Kohelet Policy Forum, a nationalist, libertarian Israeli think tank backed by right-wing American billionaires, reportedly drafted the legislation introduced by the Justice minister, Yariv Levin, that would weaken judicial review and the power of Israel’s supreme court to strike down legislation. Another proposal would revamp and politicize the country’s longstanding process for selecting judges. Early on, the national security minister, Itamar Ben Gvir, of the Jewish Power Party, directed the police to tear down any Palestinian flag in public spaces. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, the head of the Religious Zionism party, is a settler whose anti-gay rhetoric is legion. He has already seized customs revenues that belong to the Palestinian Authority, an entity he’s called a “terror-abetting body” that he thinks should fall. He also holds newly created authorities that give him oversight of the West Bank occupation through a role crafted for him in the Defense Ministry. The coalition agreement sets out the new government’s guidelines. It states plainly its ideology: “The Jewish people have an exclusive and inalienable right over all areas of the Land of Israel. The government will promote and develop the settlement of all parts of the Land of Israel — in the Galilee, the Negev, the Golan and Judea and Samaria,” the latter referring to the occupied West Bank. www.vox.com/world/2023/1/20/23561464/israel-new-right-wing-government-extreme-protests-netanyahu-biden-ben-gvir
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Post by piglet on Jun 14, 2024 10:15:27 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to explain it Tinculin, i havent kept up with things over there.
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