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Post by Orac on Jun 11, 2024 14:26:23 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2024 15:03:34 GMT
You seem to be diverting away from your claim Dan What claim was that? |
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Post by dappy on Jun 11, 2024 15:33:11 GMT
Well Dan, let’s start with your claim that immigrants can import elderly parents who then get extensive access to the benefits system when your own link makes it clear that the sponsoring child would be responsible for supporting his parent with no access to public funds.
Or your suggestion that the adult dependent route is an easy way to get round the system when your own link says that applicants for this visa have a low success rate.
Shall I go on or shall we just acknowledge that this really is a Rackhamesque shooting yourself in the foot with your link performance!
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 11, 2024 16:07:15 GMT
My remarks about dependent elderly relatives were based the information that andrewbrown provided earlier. In response to my question "Does that mean that the elderly parents of an earlier immigrant from, say, India, who have been granted settlement in the UK will be eligible for pension credit of up to £333 pw plus, potentially, other benefits such as housing credit?" he wrote: "If they have right to remain, then for benefits purposes they get treated as eligible." As far as I can discern adult dependent relatives already present on a Adult Dependent Relative Visa (or through some other channel) are eligible to apply for ILR 'indefinite leave to remain', which is when the benefits would kick in.
From another lawyer's website:
"Once you have permanent settlement under Indefinite Leave to Remain, you can claim public funds. If eligible, the public funds that you may be able to claim include:
Universal Credit
Personal Independence Payment
Help with housing from the local authority
Attendance allowance
Carers allowance (previously invalid care allowance)
Child benefit
Council tax reduction
Domestic rate relief (in Northern Ireland)
Council tax benefit
Disability living allowance
Housing benefit
Income support
Income-based jobseeker’s allowance
Income-related employment and support allowance (ESA)
Severe disablement allowance
Social fund payments
Child tax credit
Working tax credit
State pension credit
As well as accessing financial benefits, as an ILR holder, you will no longer be required to pay the immigration health surcharge to be able to access healthcare in the UK."
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 11, 2024 16:36:11 GMT
If they have right to remain, then for benefits purposes they get treated as eligible. People from abroad is a somewhat complicated module, made even more complicated by our EU withdrawal. Indeed it seems someone (me) with 30 years NI payments will be £4 a week light on a full state pension with the shortfall not being made up because of savings . Yet anyone coming from abroad with say 10 years NI contributions with the right to remain and no savings gets the full wack made up with pension credits plus other benefits I would not be eligible for . |
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Post by see2 on Jun 11, 2024 17:07:29 GMT
What I want is to be left alone. Or more specificially, less public spending, lower taxes, less immigration, less over crowding and a smaller state with less interference in our lives. Get those things sorted and pretty much everything else in the country will take care of itself.
Oh, and by "Populist" (a pejorative term), I take it you mean anyone who disagrees with your big state, high tax, net nero, extreme left control freak agenda?
A place where everyone gets their own way. Hmm. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 13, 2024 10:01:09 GMT
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 13, 2024 10:02:09 GMT
So, just to clarify, are you saying that state retirement pension and Guarantee Credit are the same thing? They're not. SRP is not means tested, but is calculated on your NI records. PCGC is a means tested benefit that pensioners who fall below a threshold tops up, and also passports onto housing benefit, council tax support etc, where SRP doesn't. Just curious, but are you saying that a person of pension age (whatever that is now) who has no contributions record and thus no entitlement to the state pension can qualify for pension credit instead? Yes - it's a win - win for the terminally lazy |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 13, 2024 10:03:11 GMT
Job Seekers Income Based doesn't exist anymore as it's been rolled into UC. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 13, 2024 14:44:49 GMT
Job Seekers Income Based doesn't exist anymore as it's been rolled into UC. I know - why then did you highlight it in your post wrongly claiming that it is taxable? I also note your use of the term 'passport' as in one handout opening the doors to another - all this confirms is my assertion that benefits handouts are paid as a benefits package which is untaxed income and not as lefties like to pretend that they are singular payments UC again is not taxable All this does is to keep benefits spongers and their takehome income are immune from the reality of everyday life when their taxpaying funders pay income tax on their income over personal allowance |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 13, 2024 16:45:03 GMT
Job Seekers Income Based doesn't exist anymore as it's been rolled into UC. I know - why then did you highlight it in your post wrongly claiming that it is taxable? I also note your use of the term 'passport' as in one handout opening the doors to another - all this confirms is my assertion that benefits handouts are paid as a benefits package which is untaxed income and not as lefties like to pretend that they are singular payments UC again is not taxable All this does is to keep benefits spongers and their takehome income are immune from the reality of everyday life when their taxpaying funders pay income tax on their income over personal allowance Job Seekers Contribution Based is taxable. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 13, 2024 16:52:37 GMT
Job Seekers Income Based doesn't exist anymore as it's been rolled into UC. I know - why then did you highlight it in your post wrongly claiming that it is taxable? I also note your use of the term 'passport' as in one handout opening the doors to another - all this confirms is my assertion that benefits handouts are paid as a benefits package which is untaxed income and not as lefties like to pretend that they are singular payments UC again is not taxable All this does is to keep benefits spongers and their takehome income are immune from the reality of everyday life when their taxpaying funders pay income tax on their income over personal allowance Adult benefits is £90.50 per week. For pension age it's £218.15. But apparently the working age benefits are lucrative and the pension age a pittance? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 13, 2024 17:38:05 GMT
I know - why then did you highlight it in your post wrongly claiming that it is taxable? I also note your use of the term 'passport' as in one handout opening the doors to another - all this confirms is my assertion that benefits handouts are paid as a benefits package which is untaxed income and not as lefties like to pretend that they are singular payments UC again is not taxable All this does is to keep benefits spongers and their takehome income are immune from the reality of everyday life when their taxpaying funders pay income tax on their income over personal allowance Adult benefits is £90.50 per week. For pension age it's £218.15. But apparently the working age benefits are lucrative and the pension age a pittance? Standard lefty MO , the gullible will believe them Mentions ''passporting'' (ie on the way to the untaxed income handouts package -plus if they can get a disability label the cap is non existent) in passing then ignores it and reverts to the standard lefty pretence of it's merely a pittance single handout income and the taxable single OAP pension ''lucrative''. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 13, 2024 19:15:35 GMT
Adult benefits is £90.50 per week. For pension age it's £218.15. But apparently the working age benefits are lucrative and the pension age a pittance? Standard lefty MO , the gullible will believe them Mentions ''passporting'' (ie on the way to the untaxed income handouts package -plus if they can get a disability label the cap is non existent) in passing then ignores it and reverts to the standard lefty pretence of it's merely a pittance single handout income and the taxable single OAP pension ''lucrative''. Think if you reread the thread, it wasn't me that claimed it was a pittance, but I was quoting who did to point out the ridiculous nature of their argument. You're not quite right on what passporting benefits are. It doesn't entitle you to more benefits, but if you are eligible then the calculation is simplified to take away the means testing element, but is still subject to other restrictions. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 14, 2024 6:47:15 GMT
I don't think it's any secret what the majority of the public want. Polls show that about 70% want migration to be controlled. And a big poll (a referendum) was taken in 2016 that showed people wanted out of the EU. Another popular policy would be the restriction (more like a ban) of immigration from countries that sponsor terrorism (i.e. basically muslim countries) but I don't think anyone's taken a poll on that.
The reason why the Tories have tanked is because Sunak has tripled immigration (with over a quarter of million Indians let in over the last 18 months) and has done nothing to take advantage of our Brexit freedoms. Sunak said he would scrap all EU laws in his first 100 days - yet he has has done nothing. It's also very "courageous" to try and win an election with a PM "of Indian heritage). You lose a significant proportion of votes because - believe it or not - there are a lot of people in this country who don't believe he has the best interests of this country at heart. As Sunak has shown on multiple occasions.
This is why Reform is doing well. It's simply offering people what they want. It's called democracy.
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