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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 12:17:35 GMT
Encourage nuclear families, set net zero to end of century, control/ reduce immigration, accept diversity/ multiculturalismis not necessarily a positive thing, stop white race baiting , reduce university places and increase vocational training. Explore and rethink what the NHS objectives should be in the future …. Just picking a couple of those out. What do you mean by “ encourage nuclear families” . How. What are the benefits. What downsides do you see? What do you mean by rethink NHS objectives? Could you give me an example? |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 10, 2024 12:18:14 GMT
Ok so what changes would you wish made to benefits. I think the biggest cost is pensions. Does that get cut too? Regeneration of the industrial heartlands, new factories. Mass employment. An education system that supports vocational as well as academic skills. The Tories to be fiscal Conservatives again. Labour to support workers again. The Lib Dems to grow a brain and get over 2016.
An end to devolution.
An end to the divides in our country.
A common UK wide football league and a UK team at the World Cup.
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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 12:18:16 GMT
Regeneration of the industrial heartlands. In what way? What are you hoping to achieve by ending devolution and concentrating power in London? |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 10, 2024 12:19:31 GMT
Regeneration of the industrial heartlands. In what way? New factories, mass employment. Not everyone goes to university. |
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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 12:22:26 GMT
New factories, mass employment. Not everyone goes to university. What would those factories make? How are you going to encourage them to open? How would you make them profitable against existing competition? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 10, 2024 12:26:28 GMT
Encourage nuclear families, set net zero to end of century, control/ reduce immigration, accept diversity/ multiculturalismis not necessarily a positive thing, stop white race baiting , reduce university places and increase vocational training. Explore and rethink what the NHS objectives should be in the future …. Just picking a couple of those out. What do you mean by “ encourage nuclear families” . How. What are the benefits. What downsides do you see? What do you mean by rethink NHS objectives? Could you give me an example? I think it’s not controversial to say that children do better in nuclear families . Hence we should encourage them . We could stop praising single parents , make divorces that involve children harder , find some financial inducements for nuclear families . The NHS or at least the kind of NHS that we expect is probably unachievable . There should be a public discussion about what we want and what we can achieve.ie afford . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 10, 2024 12:31:38 GMT
I reckon Dappy is a JSO protestor who's just been let out after serving three months of a six month sentence for smashing the windows of banks who invest in fossil fuels. He will have to behave himself for the next three months, until the ankle tag comes off then he'll be off to B&Q to replen depleted stocks of orange powder... ...did you see Dappy at the snooker...  That would certainly explain his deranged angle on many subjects. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 10, 2024 12:32:27 GMT
New factories, mass employment. Not everyone goes to university. What would those factories make? How are you going to encourage them to open? How would you make them profitable against existing competition? Foods, drinks, steel, technological products, vehicles, and also, right now, armaments including ammunition for tanks. How to encourage them to open? Cut business rates, corporation tax, and offer subsidies to producers who were here before, but left, to encourage them to relocate back to the UK. |
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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 12:41:11 GMT
What would those factories make? How are you going to encourage them to open? How would you make them profitable against existing competition? Foods, drinks, steel, technological products, vehicles, and also, right now, armaments including ammunition for tanks. How to encourage them to open? Cut business rates, corporation tax, and offer subsidies to producers who were here before, but left, to encourage them to relocate back to the UK. Ok but that means massive government investment in subsidy. Where does that money come from. Other countries have cheaper labour pools so how do you protect tour new factories from competition? |
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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 12:44:12 GMT
Just picking a couple of those out. What do you mean by “ encourage nuclear families” . How. What are the benefits. What downsides do you see? What do you mean by rethink NHS objectives? Could you give me an example? I think it’s not controversial to say that children do better in nuclear families . Hence we should encourage them . We could stop praising single parents , make divorces that involve children harder , find some financial inducements for nuclear families . The NHS or at least the kind of NHS that we expect is probably unachievable . There should be a public discussion about what we want and what we can achieve.ie afford . I agree kids in well parented happy two parent families will on average do better. Not all families inevitably will be like that. Why do you think it’s better for the kids to somehow force unhappy parents to live together either by making divorce (or surely living apart) harder or giving tax incentives to do so? |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 10, 2024 12:58:50 GMT
I think it’s not controversial to say that children do better in nuclear families . Hence we should encourage them . We could stop praising single parents , make divorces that involve children harder , find some financial inducements for nuclear families . The NHS or at least the kind of NHS that we expect is probably unachievable . There should be a public discussion about what we want and what we can achieve.ie afford . I agree kids in well parented happy two parent families will on average do better. Not all families inevitably will be like that. Why do you think it’s better for the kids to somehow force unhappy parents to live together either by making divorce (or surely living apart) harder or giving tax incentives to do so? Did you see anything in that post about ‘ forcing unhappy parents to live together ‘ and giving tax incentives to ‘force’ them ? You want an honest conversation and immediately misrepresent what I posted. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 10, 2024 13:02:28 GMT
Foods, drinks, steel, technological products, vehicles, and also, right now, armaments including ammunition for tanks. How to encourage them to open? Cut business rates, corporation tax, and offer subsidies to producers who were here before, but left, to encourage them to relocate back to the UK. Ok but that means massive government investment in subsidy. Where does that money come from. Other countries have cheaper labour pools so how do you protect tour new factories from competition? it does mean massive government in subsidy, but if you want lower carbon emissions that's what we'll have to do. Introduce carbon taxes on long range imports.
Introduce sanctions against dictatorships like that in China.
Plus, by making stuff domestically unemployment falls.
We need to make power stations and power stations require the production of parts.
We still have an energy crisis at the moment, once fusion is fully developed and operational we'll have ample power to manufacture more cheaply.
Even steel, because we will have cheap locally produced hydrogen. Just electrolyse water near where it is going to be used, and use it.
Build fuel cell cars instead of conventional (flawed) electric ones.
Invest in the development of fusion tech and be among the first users of fusion.
Invest in fuel synthesis technologies.
Become a developed country again, managed decline is not an option.
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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 13:07:30 GMT
Sorry , I am missing your point. Happy parents don’t need sticks or carrots from government to stay living together. You are therefore presumably proposing to try to make unhappy parents continue to live together by making divorce harder (although I assume you mean somehow encouraging cohabitation - divorce certificate if living apart surely doesn’t matter ) or by tax or benefit changes? What have I misunderstood?
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Post by dappy on Jun 10, 2024 13:10:04 GMT
Ok but that means massive government investment in subsidy. Where does that money come from. Other countries have cheaper labour pools so how do you protect tour new factories from competition? it does mean massive government in subsidy, but if you want lower carbon emissions that's what we'll have to do. Introduce carbon taxes on long range imports.
Introduce sanctions against dictatorships like that in China.
Plus, by making stuff domestically unemployment falls.
We need to make power stations and power stations require the production of parts.
We still have an energy crisis at the moment, once fusion is fully developed and operational we'll have ample power to manufacture more cheaply.
Even steel, because we will have cheap locally produced hydrogen. Just electrolyse water near where it is going to be used, and use it.
Build fuel cell cars instead of conventional (flawed) electric ones.
Invest in the development of fusion tech and be among the first users of fusion.
Invest in fuel synthesis technologies.
Become a developed country again, managed decline is not an option.
Vin. Nuclear fusion giving cheap clean energy for all would of course be great. Not sure we should be basing our plan on scientists delivering it though - it’s been talked about for years. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 10, 2024 13:14:07 GMT
I don't base the entire plan on that.
First, build a lot of conventional nuclear (molten salt reactor type), with enough capacity in the grid to produce electricity for all of the above, in the short to medium term, and then when fusion is available, incrementally switch to that as we build.
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