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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 17:11:20 GMT
I am ALWAYS honest (I may make mistakes but I don't tell lies). Don't insinuate your insult with such a shit dare. I would not have supported Brexit regardless of who supported it because I believed the country was not prepared for Brexit, i.e. too many internal weaknesses. And I said so at the time. As back then, I still have no way of knowing whether Brexit was the wright or wrong way for the UK to go. IMO the referendum might have been the right question, but entirely at the wrong time. i.e. IMO the right time would be after the UK reduced our internal difficulties rather than falsely blaming the EU for our own failure to blossom. So you don't believe in Democracy. Hence your blind support of the EU. All The Best. After the UK referendum in 2016 I don't believe in the UK's ability to run an anything like an honest or genuinely debated referendum. That answers your first lie. As I made obvious in the post you replied to, I don't have a 'blind support' for the EU. So that answers your second Lie.  |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 17:17:09 GMT
NOPE, I pointed out the flaw in HIS logic. Your second point IS A GREAT BIG FAT STEWPID TYPICAL CONSERVAITEVLY BIASED LIE. I only refer to posted comments as lies when they are lies. IF "they/we" weren't blagging lies then I never referred to them as lies. Simple straight forward reality. It acknowledges the soup like nonsense that lays between your ears. Soup like nonsense ........... YOU silly old fool ..... it was you who spelt STUPID .......as STEWPID ........ FFS you and Biden should be in the same care home shadypines .......LOL So you have never seen it used that way, well now you know'. I must have spelled stupid loads of times on this forum, so the changed spelling was intentional. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2024 17:18:26 GMT
Soup like nonsense ........... YOU silly old fool ..... it was you who spelt STUPID .......as STEWPID ........ FFS you and Biden should be in the same care home shadypines .......LOL So you have never seen it used that way, well now you know'. I must have spelled stupid loads of times on this forum, so the changed spelling was intentional. LOL......... the lies of true Red Labour lefty supporter ............LIAR. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 17:20:28 GMT
So you have never seen it used that way, well now you know'. I must have spelled stupid loads of times on this forum, so the changed spelling was intentional. LOL......... the lies of true Red Labour lefty supporter ............LIAR. In the opinion of your shit filled stunted logic mind LOL |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 17:30:03 GMT
The set up is a million time safer than relying on people like yourself with fixed opinions. I have little doubt that most MPs are more informed than yourself, that you might doubt that looks like a touch of arrogance on your part. Well lets take an example - Brexit. I was in favour of EFTA membership that would have kept us in the Single Market - yet an overwhelming proportion of MP's rejected EFTA and voted for Johnsons deal (presumably because they were better informed?). So with hindsight who do you think made the correct decision - me or the MP's? I would suspect it had more to do with the Rightist nonsense for taking control. But that is a Rightest political problem, which given the Rightist leanings of Farage, makes sense. My comment referred to, between MPs and the average voters, not about any one particular voter. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 1, 2024 19:00:00 GMT
So you don't believe in Democracy. Hence your blind support of the EU. All The Best. After the UK referendum in 2016 I don't believe in the UK's ability to run an anything like an honest or genuinely debated referendum. That answers your first lie. As I made obvious in the post you replied to, I don't have a 'blind support' for the EU. So that answers your second Lie. The UK is perfectly capable, it is the Europhiles that seem unable to engage in debate by only issuing dire warnings and name calling those who wished to seek a different path. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 1, 2024 19:47:43 GMT
So you don't believe in Democracy. Hence your blind support of the EU. All The Best. That answers your first lie. As I made obvious in the post you replied to, I don't have a 'blind support' for the EU. So that answers your second Lie. But you were making those accusations LONG BEFORE the 2016 Referendum. In fact when I once claimed that "more democracy is always a good thing" you countered that a "referendum should only be held at the right time". I then countered that what you meant by that was "never, unless you can be sure the vote will be for remain". Long before 2016 you rejected the democratic principle. Because you, like the EU, only want democracy when you already know the outcome. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 20:56:24 GMT
After the UK referendum in 2016 I don't believe in the UK's ability to run an anything like an honest or genuinely debated referendum. That answers your first lie. As I made obvious in the post you replied to, I don't have a 'blind support' for the EU. So that answers your second Lie. The UK is perfectly capable, it is the Europhiles that seem unable to engage in debate by only issuing dire warnings and name calling those who wished to seek a different path. 2016 shows otherwise. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 21:11:00 GMT
After the UK referendum in 2016 I don't believe in the UK's ability to run an anything like an honest or genuinely debated referendum. That answers your first lie. As I made obvious in the post you replied to, I don't have a 'blind support' for the EU. So that answers your second Lie. But you were making those accusations LONG BEFORE the 2016 Referendum. In fact when I once claimed that "more democracy is always a good thing" you countered that a "referendum should only be held at the right time". I then countered that what you meant by that was "never, unless you can be sure the vote will be for remain". Long before 2016 you rejected the democratic principle. Because you, like the EU, only want democracy when you already know the outcome. All The Best I explained before the referendum and after the referendum and just previously on this forum, that I believed the UK had too many internal weaknesses which IMO made it a referendum at the wrong time. Your sniveling so called reply is a product of your imagination. I have also posted a number of times that I did not know whether or not Brexit was right for the UK, right up to this day I have posted 'only time will tell'. That was my position and still is. Your last comment is just silly. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
Well lets take an example - Brexit. I was in favour of EFTA membership that would have kept us in the Single Market - yet an overwhelming proportion of MP's rejected EFTA and voted for Johnsons deal (presumably because they were better informed?). So with hindsight who do you think made the correct decision - me or the MP's? I would suspect it had more to do with the Rightist nonsense for taking control. But that is a Rightest political problem, which given the Rightist leanings of Farage, makes sense. My comment referred to, between MPs and the average voters, not about any one particular voter. That makes absolutely no sense at all. You said MP's are better at taking decisions than the public because they are better informed - well MP's rejected membership of the Single Market because they were better informed. So do you think they made the correct decision? |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 21:33:57 GMT
I would suspect it had more to do with the Rightist nonsense for taking control. But that is a Rightest political problem, which given the Rightist leanings of Farage, makes sense. My comment referred to, between MPs and the average voters, not about any one particular voter. That makes absolutely no sense at all. You said MP's are better at taking decisions than the public because they are better informed - well MP's rejected membership of the Single Market because they were better informed. So do you think they made the correct decision? My point is and has been that MPs are better informed and have advisers and help to gain information, which is their job as a MP, making them better informed than the average voter who will spend most of their time just getting on with their own lives. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2024 21:35:56 GMT
That makes absolutely no sense at all. You said MP's are better at taking decisions than the public because they are better informed - well MP's rejected membership of the Single Market because they were better informed. So do you think they made the correct decision? My point is and has been that MPs are better informed and have advisers and help to gain information, which is their job as a MP, making them better informed than the average voter who will spend most of their time just getting on with their own lives. So being better informed they were right to reject membership of the Single Market? Only uninformed fools like me were in favour? |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 21:47:52 GMT
My point is and has been that MPs are better informed and have advisers and help to gain information, which is their job as a MP, making them better informed than the average voter who will spend most of their time just getting on with their own lives. So being better informed they were right to reject membership of the Single Market? Only uninformed fools like me were in favour? You have my reasons for being against referenda. Its so far in the past I would need to see the arguments for and against the single market all over again. You may be an informed individual, but you do not represent millions of individuals who voted Brexit. As I previously stated my point is not about any single individual. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 1, 2024 23:35:22 GMT
But you were making those accusations LONG BEFORE the 2016 Referendum. In fact when I once claimed that "more democracy is always a good thing" you countered that a "referendum should only be held at the right time". I then countered that what you meant by that was "never, unless you can be sure the vote will be for remain". Long before 2016 you rejected the democratic principle. Because you, like the EU, only want democracy when you already know the outcome. All The Best Your sniveling so called reply is a product of your imagination. I have also posted a number of times that I did not know whether or not Brexit was right for the UK, right up to this day I have posted 'only time will tell'. That was my position and still is. Your last comment is just silly. What, EXACTLY, made it the wrong time to extend the use of Democracy? There is NEVER a wrong time to extend Democracy IMO, because I believe in the principle of Democracy; even when it delivers results I didn't vote for. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jul 2, 2024 5:10:59 GMT
I explained before the referendum and after the referendum and just previously on this forum, that I believed the UK had too many internal weaknesses which IMO made it a referendum at the wrong time. Your sniveling so called reply is a product of your imagination. I have also posted a number of times that I did not know whether or not Brexit was right for the UK, right up to this day I have posted 'only time will tell'. That was my position and still is. Your last comment is just silly. What, EXACTLY, made it the wrong time to extend the use of Democracy? There is NEVER a wrong time to extend Democracy IMO, because I believe in the principle of Democracy; even when it delivers results I didn't vote for. All The Best I explained why IMO it was the wrong time, in the post you replied to. A referendum that was filled with lies and misinformation, huh, and you refer to that as democracy. |
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