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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 13:35:49 GMT
You keep missing the elephant in the room, which is that elected MPs will be far more informed on issues, that is their job, while many voters will be influenced by the likes of the Mail, the Express and the Telegraph as they get on with their own life which for most will have nothing at all to do with politics. Question: If MPs had voted in favour of leaving the EU would you have supported leaving the EU? I dare you to answer honestly. All The Best I am ALWAYS honest (I may make mistakes but I don't tell lies). Don't insinuate your insult with such a shit dare. I would not have supported Brexit regardless of who supported it because I believed the country was not prepared for Brexit, i.e. too many internal weaknesses. And I said so at the time. As back then, I still have no way of knowing whether Brexit was the wright or wrong way for the UK to go. IMO the referendum might have been the right question, but entirely at the wrong time. i.e. IMO the right time would be after the UK reduced our internal difficulties rather than falsely blaming the EU for our own failure to blossom. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 1, 2024 13:47:49 GMT
Question: If MPs had voted in favour of leaving the EU would you have supported leaving the EU? I dare you to answer honestly. All The Best I am ALWAYS honest (I may make mistakes but I don't tell lies). Don't insinuate your insult with such a shit dare. I would not have supported Brexit regardless of who supported it because I believed the country was not prepared for Brexit, i.e. too many internal weaknesses. And I said so at the time. As back then, I still have no way of knowing whether Brexit was the wright or wrong way for the UK to go. IMO the referendum might have been the right question, but entirely at the wrong time. i.e. IMO the right time would be after the UK reduced our internal difficulties rather than falsely blaming the EU for our own failure to blossom. At the 2015 election both Labour and Tory specifically stated the EU was not working for the UK. Were they all wrong? Both wished to renegotiate the terms of our membership Cameron with a referendum on the issues agreed and Miliband from within as a member. The electorate then had to decide if the terms would change enough and were advised that they would but decided that they did not. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 13:59:50 GMT
Oh come on 'P' , I'm sure you are brighter that that. Your question is not a debatable reply to my post, if anything it totally ignores my post. Starmer will sell his soul to be Prime Minister, that man has all but promised all things to all people, and it's obviously working because he's clearly hoodwinked you.
Starmer is a self-serving Labour lefty leader, just like his predecessor Blair.
Blair spent all his time as Prime Minister making plans to feather his own nest, just like Starmer will do ..... they don't give a toss about the less well off or the working men/women, it's all a con.
Can you honestly say hand on heart that Tony Blair is now worth at least £80 million through after dinner speeches and hard work.
Come on see2 you need to redeem some self respect on this forum, the fact you cover up and make all sorts or excuses for the Labour party past and present, or in your own words .... New Labour that is now Next Labour but is still ruled by New Labour .... don't you see how barmy that sounds?
1. In your opinion. SunaK is the epitome of Conservatism as seen daily on TV, AND ON THIS FORUM, denigrate the opposition and pie in the sky for tomorrow. Reminds me of 2016) Sunak and the Tories have been conning people like yourself for decades. Just look at the history. 2. If Starmer is elected, and is half as good as Blair / Brown you wont see a Conservative government for a decade or two. (Unless there is another International Financial Meltdown). 3. That is Tory thinking, for the Tories it is all about making the rich richer. Sadly for you there are actually some people with much cleaner minds. 4. I'll give my opinion on Blair's after dinner speeches just as soon as you post how much Thatcher made on after dinner speeches. 5. I don't make excuses for the Labour party, I didn't even vote for Corbyn. I do object to the lies thrown at Blair. Your last comment is barmy, it is a product of your political bias, and nothing else. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2024 14:12:13 GMT
So you have no opinions of your own, you trust MP's to make all the (correct) decisions for you? Oh come on 'P' , I'm sure you are brighter that that. Your question is not a debatable reply to my post, if anything it totally ignores my post. But you literally said that you feel that elected MPs are far more informed on issues than you - so what else are we to think? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2024 14:17:17 GMT
Starmer will sell his soul to be Prime Minister, that man has all but promised all things to all people, and it's obviously working because he's clearly hoodwinked you.
Starmer is a self-serving Labour lefty leader, just like his predecessor Blair.
Blair spent all his time as Prime Minister making plans to feather his own nest, just like Starmer will do ..... they don't give a toss about the less well off or the working men/women, it's all a con.
Can you honestly say hand on heart that Tony Blair is now worth at least £80 million through after dinner speeches and hard work.
Come on see2 you need to redeem some self respect on this forum, the fact you cover up and make all sorts or excuses for the Labour party past and present, or in your own words .... New Labour that is now Next Labour but is still ruled by New Labour .... don't you see how barmy that sounds?
1. In your opinion. 2. If Starmer is elected, and is half as good as Blair / Brown you wont see a Conservative government for a decade or two. (Unless there is another International Financial Meltdown).Wow 'half as good as Blair/Brown..
One who started a 'illegal war' and the other who sold off our gold on the cheap ..
Wow no redemption for you........ you are a typical brainwashed lefty LOOn
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2024 14:20:45 GMT
1. In your opinion. 2. If Starmer is elected, and is half as good as Blair / Brown you wont see a Conservative government for a decade or two. (Unless there is another International Financial Meltdown).Wow 'half as good as Blair/Brown.. One who started a 'illegal war' and the other who sold off our gold on the cheap .. ...and wrecked the best company pension system in the developed world..  |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 14:22:47 GMT
I am ALWAYS honest (I may make mistakes but I don't tell lies). Don't insinuate your insult with such a shit dare. I would not have supported Brexit regardless of who supported it because I believed the country was not prepared for Brexit, i.e. too many internal weaknesses. And I said so at the time. As back then, I still have no way of knowing whether Brexit was the wright or wrong way for the UK to go. IMO the referendum might have been the right question, but entirely at the wrong time. i.e. IMO the right time would be after the UK reduced our internal difficulties rather than falsely blaming the EU for our own failure to blossom. Were they all wrong? Both wished to renegotiate the terms of our membership Cameron with a referendum on the issues agreed and Miliband from within as a member. The electorate then had to decide if the terms would change enough and were advised that they would but decided that they did not. I am not aware of your claim that both Parties "specifically stated the EU was not working for the UK" If they did then the only thing that makes sense for me is that neither party had any idea of how to run the country properly, as evidenced by the Tories after the election. Because Germany knew how to run their country as a member of the EU. Cameron DID renegotiate UK terms of membership. The terms of renegotiation (rightly or wrongly) exposed the weaknesses of the UK, Germany had no needs for renegotiation. Unfortunately, to the embarrassment the UK the referendum was poisoned by lies and insinuated lies. I wouldn't trust the voters in the UK to take any direct vote on anything AT ALL. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2024 14:23:54 GMT
Wow 'half as good as Blair/Brown.. One who started a 'illegal war' and the other who sold off our gold on the cheap .. ...and wrecked the best company pension system in the developed world.. What makes things worse I think Starmer will be worse than those two ^^ put together. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 14:25:52 GMT
Oh come on 'P' , I'm sure you are brighter that that. Your question is not a debatable reply to my post, if anything it totally ignores my post. But you literally said that you feel that elected MPs are far more informed on issues than you - so what else are we to think? So what else ARE YOU TO THINK, it is time to question yourself on your thoughts. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2024 14:28:51 GMT
But you literally said that you feel that elected MPs are far more informed on issues than you - so what else are we to think? So what else ARE YOU TO THINK, it is time to question yourself on your thoughts. I obviously disagree - as I have explained, I dont think MP's are necessarily more informed. I accept that you believe they know more than you and are happy to delegate all decisions that need to be made, but don't believe that is a majority view. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 1, 2024 14:43:11 GMT
But you literally said that you feel that elected MPs are far more informed on issues than you - so what else are we to think? So what else ARE YOU TO THINK, it is time to question yourself on your thoughts. How dare you question the integrity of another poster when that poster has clearly pointed out the flaws in your logic.
The only one who should be 'questioning yourself and your thoughts' ..... is you...... plain and simply because you don't have any OF YOUR OWN.
You're drip fed the lefty misinformation and then peddle it is FACT, then have the audacity to call none believer's in this misinformation as 'Lairs'...
They/we aren't liars ........we are called realists.
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 14:47:56 GMT
1. In your opinion. 2. If Starmer is elected, and is half as good as Blair / Brown you wont see a Conservative government for a decade or two. (Unless there is another International Financial Meltdown).Wow 'half as good as Blair/Brown..
One who started a 'illegal war' and the other who sold off our gold on the cheap ..
Wow no redemption for you........ you are a typical brainwashed lefty LOOn
Here we go again with Conservative DNA lying. There was no illegal war. If you can find one iota of proof of your claim, then lets see it. Opinion counts for a big Zero. Some gold, which is a reserve currency that plays no part in day to day economics was sold off for other reasons as well as in order to fill the two major huge black economic holes one in the NHS and the other in State Education that had been created by the Conservatives over the previous 18 years of Conservative maladministration. Wake up for fucks sake. Thatcher sold off our N/sea oil and gas to finance her right-wing nonsense. Norway with similar oil/gas holdings in North sea took a different path to the Thatcher's UK. -- "The UK's oil bonanza was largely squandered, at the very least, the UK did little to invest proceeds. Norway invested the proceeds of oil in a sovereign wealth fund, which stands at $1.4 trillion, the biggest in the world. The UK has no wealth fund, but, it could have been very different.21 Dec 2023. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 14:54:20 GMT
So what else ARE YOU TO THINK, it is time to question yourself on your thoughts. I obviously disagree - as I have explained, I dont think MP's are necessarily more informed. I accept that you believe they know more than you and are happy to delegate all decisions that need to be made, but don't believe that is a majority view. The set up is a million time safer than relying on people like yourself with fixed opinions. I have little doubt that most MPs are more informed than yourself, that you might doubt that looks like a touch of arrogance on your part. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 1, 2024 15:01:00 GMT
Oh come on 'P' , I'm sure you are brighter that that. Your question is not a debatable reply to my post, if anything it totally ignores my post. But you literally said that you feel that elected MPs are far more informed on issues than you - so what else are we to think? Yes he clearly did, despite his attempts to ignore his so called belief that ''nanny knows best'' (ie MPs) provided that nanny isn't a Tory MP . Only someone who is a follower with no independent thought process and isn't very bright could possibly have that viewpoint |
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Post by see2 on Jul 1, 2024 15:06:34 GMT
So what else ARE YOU TO THINK, it is time to question yourself on your thoughts. How dare you question the integrity of another poster when that poster has clearly pointed out the flaws in your logic.
The only one who should be 'questioning yourself and your thoughts' ..... is you...... plain and simply because you don't have any OF YOUR OWN.
You're drip fed the lefty misinformation and then peddle it is FACT, then have the audacity to call none believer's in this misinformation as 'Lairs'...
They/we aren't liars ........we are called realists.
NOPE, I pointed out the flaw in HIS logic. Your second point IS A GREAT BIG FAT STEWPID TYPICAL CONSERVAITEVLY BIASED LIE. I only refer to posted comments as lies when they are lies. IF "they/we" weren't blagging lies then I never referred to them as lies. Simple straight forward reality. |
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