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Post by sandypine on Jun 24, 2024 13:50:23 GMT
'Appeared'. However the Guardian would make something 'appear' that way. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 24, 2024 15:33:31 GMT
Here are some Historical Facts for our Pro-Russian / Pro-Farage contingent
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In 1991 a referendum was held in Ukraine on the issue of independence, in the Eastern Province of Donetsk, the result was 84% in favour of Ukrainian independence; In the Eastern Province of Luhansk, the result was also 84% in favour of independence.
These are the two Ukrainian Provinces where separatists held out with help from Putin until the full scale Russian invasion in 2022.
The other two Provinces now claimed by Russia, and which Putin has supposedly annexed, but does not control all of the territory, are Zaphorizhzhia Provine which voted over 90% for Ukrainian independence, and the Province of Kherson which also voted over 90% in favour of Ukrainian independence.
THe day after the results of the 1991 referendum were announced, the President of Russia, Mr Boris Yeltsin, officially recognised Ukrainian independence within the then borders of Ukraine.
THERE NEVER WAS ANY CLAIM TO UKRAINIAN LAND BY RUSSIA, AND THERE WAS NO SEPARATIST MOVEMENT ANYWHERE IN EASTERN UKRAINE UNTIL IT BECAME CLEAR TO PUTIN THAT UKRAINE WAS LOOKING MORE TO ITS WEST, AND EUROPE FOR ITS FUTURE.
There never was any disputed land or territory, and Ukraine at no time ever posed any kind of threat to Russia.
THis is entirely about Russia not allowing Ukraine to forge closer ties with Europe, and nothing else, Putin wants to control Ukraine the same as he controls Belarus.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 24, 2024 15:35:44 GMT
Nope. But again I'm absolutely certain that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a liar. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a lair. Just you in the posts we have both been involved in so far. You may have told the truth in other threads, I am yet to see it. However, you'll note when I accuse someone of lying I demonstrate why I believe they are lying. So far you have repeatedly accused me of lying and NEVER ONCE demonstrated that such is even close to being true. That is why I call you a liar. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 24, 2024 15:36:55 GMT
Here are some Historical Facts for our Pro-Russian / Pro-Farage contingent -------------------------------------------------------------------------- In 1991 a referendum was held in Ukraine on the issue of independence, in the Eastern Province of Donetsk, the result was 84% in favour of Ukrainian independence; In the Eastern Province of Luhansk, the result was also 84% in favour of independence. These are the two Ukrainian Provinces where separatists held out with help from Putin until the full scale Russian invasion in 2022. The other two Provinces now claimed by Russia, and which Putin has supposedly annexed, but does not control all of the territory, are Zaphorizhzhia Provine which voted over 90% for Ukrainian independence, and the Province of Kherson which also voted over 90% in favour of Ukrainian independence. THe day after the results of the 1991 referendum were announced, the President of Russia, Mr Boris Yeltsin, officially recognised Ukrainian independence within the then borders of Ukraine. THERE NEVER WAS ANY CLAIM TO UKRAINIAN LAND BY RUSSIA, AND THERE WAS NO SEPARATIST MOVEMENT ANYWHERE IN EASTERN UKRAINE UNTIL IT BECAME CLEAR TO PUTIN THAT UKRAINE WAS LOOKING MORE TO ITS WEST, AND EUROPE FOR ITS FUTURE. There never was any disputed land or territory, and Ukraine at no time ever posed any kind of threat to Russia. THis is entirely about Russia not allowing Ukraine to forge closer ties with Europe, and nothing else, Putin wants to control Ukraine the same as he controls Belarus. And what's that got to do with anything? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 15:37:55 GMT
'Appeared'. However the Guardian would make something 'appear' that way. It's a kind of magic.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 24, 2024 15:38:09 GMT
Nope. But again I'm absolutely certain that you believe that anyone who disagrees with you is a liar. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a lair. Just you in the posts we have both been involved in so far. You may have told the truth in other threads, I am yet to see it. However, you'll note when I accuse someone of lying I demonstrate why I believe they are lying. So far you have repeatedly accused me of lying and NEVER ONCE demonstrated that such is even close to being true. That is why I call you a liar. All The Best Nope. That's just part of your paranoid delusions.
And feeding them on here is doing you no good.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 24, 2024 15:39:54 GMT
None of which has anything to with me, But was all a part of the post you accused me of lying about. Hence my response. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 24, 2024 15:41:24 GMT
Not everyone who disagrees with me is a lair. Just you in the posts we have both been involved in so far. You may have told the truth in other threads, I am yet to see it. However, you'll note when I accuse someone of lying I demonstrate why I believe they are lying. So far you have repeatedly accused me of lying and NEVER ONCE demonstrated that such is even close to being true. That is why I call you a liar. All The Best Nope. That's just part of your paranoid delusions.
And feeding them on here is doing you no good.
Go on then. Prove, by linking to quotes of me, that I have lied. Bet you can't. Nothing at all to do with delusions (except your obvious delusion that anyone who disagrees with you is lying), and everything to with demonstrable facts. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 15:43:10 GMT
Nope. That's just part of your paranoid delusions.
And feeding them on here is doing you no good.
They both arrived at the same time, too. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 24, 2024 15:43:40 GMT
It's odd really, how can I claim he's lying when I don't even read his posts anymore? I guess he's just trying to bait me into responding? I have no interest in the multiaccount sock puppets that this forum allows. In fact, Baron's threads covering the global economic shift is more interesting than most of the crap some others are spamming, and his threads are so flamed that it's difficult to engage. You stopped reading my posts when you realised I'll call your bullshit lies what they are and ask for proof of your bullshit claims, proof that you have NEVER ONCE provided. Any proof of you bullshit claim that Labour are going to "spend it all on diversity"? No, thought not. All you do is lie, and luckily for you SqueezedPimple is fucking idiotic enough to fall for it. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 24, 2024 15:44:04 GMT
Nope. That's just part of your paranoid delusions.
And feeding them on here is doing you no good.
They both arrived at the same time, too. LOL! 
But at least they're never alone.  |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 24, 2024 15:46:25 GMT
What do you mean, nobody listened? I knew and I have absolutely no doubt every leading political member of every country knew. The Problem was no one was ready to declare war on Russia. Just as today other countries are not prepared to declare war on Russia. The West is not interested in a war with Russia, it is a Russian fallacy to claim they are under threat from the West. And a complete dishonesty to, like Farage, imply it is. You must have known about Russia's annexation of the Crimea, did you not think taking control of part of another country by military force was an act of war? The question is why are you treating the obvious as an unwanted truth? The EU is responsible for its geopolitics. The ramifications for this have contributed to the war in Ukraine. Putin was looking for excuses, the EU gave him what he wanted. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 24, 2024 15:47:14 GMT
Prove, by linking to quotes of me, that I have lied... Fuck me, this is hard work. I can't provide that proof, Nulla because I never said you did. And your one "Proof" of your claims about me was a quote of someone else. You are deluded, Nulla. And everytime someone points it out, you imagine a conspiracy of liars. That's paranoia. You are not well, Nulla. Get a grip of it instead of pretending stuff on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 15:49:49 GMT
They both arrived at the same time, too. LOL!
But at least they're never alone. True true!
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 24, 2024 15:55:54 GMT
Prove, by linking to quotes of me, that I have lied... Fuck me, this is hard work. I can't provide that proof, Nulla because I never said you did. And your one "Proof" of your claims about me was a quote of someone else. You are deluded, Nulla. And everytime someone points it out, you imagine a conspiracy of liars. That's paranoia. You are not well, Nulla. Get a grip of it instead of pretending stuff on here. Yeah, don't think I am going to tale mental health advice from a racist, thanks all the same. All The Best |
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