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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 24, 2024 6:54:57 GMT
I kind of agree with you, but does Reform have an opportunity of forming the opposition? Well come the 4th of July we will find out but polling for what its worth would suggest they have a chance . Reform are just a couple of points behind the Tories (telegraph) and thats after a weekend of Farage bashing across the media after the Ukraine comments were dug up . The soppy bird on GMTV was continuing the attack this morning with regard the Ukraine comment then going on (without drawing breath ) saying Brexit has failed and Farage didn't spend £250M on the NHS . Well whatever you think of what he said about Ukraine and Brexit ,He was right about Ukraine and the NHS claim was Boris so nothing to do with Farage even if he was in a position to do anything about it . But once you say it its out there and the gullible lock it into their daft heads and go and vote Labour because in their minds Farage is a Putin appeaser and didn't spend the £250M . This is the sort of press we had to deal with at UKIP in the run up to 2016 and why they retaliated in kind with daft claims like the population of Turkey was on its way . So Reform needs some good press this week ,along with a boost of some bad news for the other parties . I think it may get dirty ,hold onto your hats ! Do you realise that polling the same as the Tories will not get the same number of seats? Have a look at the polling from the Daily Telegraph here: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/UK-election-predictions/ |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 24, 2024 7:00:12 GMT
However, after rumours of protests and fears for safety, David Robert Burgess-Joyce, candidate for the Reform Party in Wallasey, cancelled the meeting.
He was worried enough to cancel his meeting.
Stop covering up lefty thug scum bags, it says more about you than the people who are highlighting their thuggery.
You made a very specific claim: So far you've shown JUST ONE. You made no mention of "meetings cancelled". I am not defending anything, except the truth - something you seem to have a very tenuous relationship with. You quite clearly lied; why not just admit it? All The Best Do pull the other one, Nulla. As previously noted, you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the arse.
But back to the plot: Violence is the first resort of stupid people. As amply demonstrated here, there are more stupid people on the left hence the left's greater propensity for violence.
Indeed, when dealing with demonstrations, that was part of police briefings for years: "It'll be peaceful until the lefties turn up".
And so it proved, time and again, with the left demonstrating their committment to love and peace by beating up anyone that disagreed with them.
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Post by see2 on Jun 24, 2024 7:03:37 GMT
Defending the facts against propaganda pushed by the establishment, is not defending anyone, least of all the establishment. It so happens that the establishment parties are closing ranks, which will probably do the Farage a right favour. You can see how the establishment need shills like Witchfinder to repeatedly post lies as truth during an election campaign. This blatant misrepresentation by the establishment and shills are desperately trying to put the brakes on Reform and Farage. These people never learn. Forage, and his supporters, tried to make a big deal out of Farage's claim to have warned the West of war with Russia in September 2014, 7 months after Putin's forces in an act of aggression annexed Crimea. The idea that he did anything other than state the obvious is fallacious. You and your ilk never seem to learn. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 24, 2024 7:05:35 GMT
The conservative government implemented THEIR OWN POLICIES. Stop twisting things into an attack on the left. Which exposes the duplicity of the Tories and their supporters. OK - just for you. The Tories implemented their own policies which were a copy of left-wing policies.. Happy now? No, your claim is just your opinion. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 24, 2024 7:05:47 GMT
Well come the 4th of July we will find out but polling for what its worth would suggest they have a chance . Reform are just a couple of points behind the Tories (telegraph) and thats after a weekend of Farage bashing across the media after the Ukraine comments were dug up . The soppy bird on GMTV was continuing the attack this morning with regard the Ukraine comment then going on (without drawing breath ) saying Brexit has failed and Farage didn't spend £250M on the NHS . Well whatever you think of what he said about Ukraine and Brexit ,He was right about Ukraine and the NHS claim was Boris so nothing to do with Farage even if he was in a position to do anything about it . But once you say it its out there and the gullible lock it into their daft heads and go and vote Labour because in their minds Farage is a Putin appeaser and didn't spend the £250M . This is the sort of press we had to deal with at UKIP in the run up to 2016 and why they retaliated in kind with daft claims like the population of Turkey was on its way . So Reform needs some good press this week ,along with a boost of some bad news for the other parties . I think it may get dirty ,hold onto your hats ! Do you realise that polling the same as the Tories will not get the same number of seats? Yes of course .I recall 4 million votes (12%) that UKIP got in 2015 which returned just one MP (they would have got 80 under PR ) I think I read Reform would need to get to 20% to start winning seats in any number but stand to be corrected on that figure . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 7:07:52 GMT
I kind of agree with you, but does Reform have an opportunity of forming the opposition? Well come the 4th of July we will find out but polling for what its worth would suggest they have a chance . Reform are just a couple of points behind the Tories (telegraph) and thats after a weekend of Farage bashing across the media after the Ukraine comments were dug up . The soppy bird on GMTV was continuing the attack this morning with regard the Ukraine comment then going on (without drawing breath ) saying Brexit has failed and Farage didn't spend £250M on the NHS . Well whatever you think of what he said about Ukraine and Brexit ,He was right about Ukraine and the NHS claim was Boris so nothing to do with Farage even if he was in a position to do anything about it . But once you say it its out there and the gullible lock it into their daft heads and go and vote Labour because in their minds Farage is a Putin appeaser and didn't spend the £250M . This is the sort of press we had to deal with at UKIP in the run up to 2016 and why they retaliated in kind with daft claims like the population of Turkey was on its way . So Reform needs some good press this week ,along with a boost of some bad news for the other parties . I think it may get dirty ,hold onto your hats ! We're once again seeing all of the establishment media and television brainwashing channels united behind the LabCon establishment. Going by all of the evidence Reform is the only opposition. We'd have to get them into power to know for certain, though.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 24, 2024 7:08:54 GMT
Do you realise that polling the same as the Tories will not get the same number of seats? Yes of course .I recall 4 million votes (12%) that UKIP got in 2015 which returned just one MP (they would have got 80 under PR ) I think I read Reform would need to get to 20% to start winning seats in any number but stand to be corrected on that figure . The establishment is already shaken and stirred by just his presence, they have no idea how much he will change how people will vote, which is causing them great distress, richly deserved I might add. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 24, 2024 7:12:01 GMT
All four main political leaders have now condemned Farage for his ridiculous opinions ( Labour, Tory, LibDem and SNP ). Fuck me - you would think there is an election on...  Exposing the extremism the deceit and the stupidity of Farage is far better than the lies and insinuated lies used by Tory propaganda against New Labour. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 24, 2024 7:12:22 GMT
You can see how the establishment need shills like Witchfinder to repeatedly post lies as truth during an election campaign. This blatant misrepresentation by the establishment and shills are desperately trying to put the brakes on Reform and Farage. These people never learn. Forage, and his supporters, tried to make a big deal out of Farage's claim to have warned the West of war with Russia in September 2014, 7 months after Putin's forces in an act of aggression annexed Crimea. The idea that he did anything other than state the obvious is fallacious. You and your ilk never seem to learn. He called it. He said it. Nobody listened. People like you use what he said and misrepresent what he said because you need to slur him during an election campaign. No wonder there is very little trust in British politics these days, when the truth is unwanted. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 24, 2024 7:16:20 GMT
Do you realise that polling the same as the Tories will not get the same number of seats? Yes of course .I recall 4 million votes (12%) that UKIP got in 2015 which returned just one MP (they would have got 80 under PR ) I think I read Reform would need to get to 20% to start winning seats in any number but stand to be corrected on that figure . Part of the reason I'm voting Reform is to prove that we don't live in a democracy. When they get 18% of the vote and only one or two seats it will be obvious that we're dealing with a rigged system and that the government has no legitimacy. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 24, 2024 7:24:42 GMT
OK - just for you. The Tories implemented their own policies which were a copy of left-wing policies.. Happy now? No, your claim is just your opinion. What policy that has been enacted in the last 14 years is a right-wing policy? Perhaps record levels of taxation? Record levels of Public Spending? Record levels of immigration? Record levels of debt? Record levels of borrowing? Record levels of regulation? Record levels of state surveillance? Show me where my opinion is wrong.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 24, 2024 7:26:23 GMT
Fuck me - you would think there is an election on... Exposing the extremism the deceit and the stupidity of Farage is far better than the lies and insinuated lies used by Tory propaganda against New Labour. LOL - the parody account is here... Yes - we all know that any criticism of Labour is all lies and deceit and Tony Blair walks on water and Gordon Brown turns water into wine... |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 24, 2024 7:28:05 GMT
Reform UK will never become the party of government because there are not enough voters amongst the British public who would vote for them, they are not mainstream, they are on the fringes.
The only way that such ideas and policies could make it into Parliament and potentialy onto the statute books, would be by attempting to take-over or hijack the Conservative Party and turn it from a Centre Right mainstream party into a Right Wing populist party.
The Corbynites and far Left attempted to do this with the Labour Party, but failed.
I am waiting to see what the fallout will be from Farage's anti NATO, pro Kremlin remarks will be, the kind of remarks that Jeremy Corbyn, George Galloway and Vladimir Putin will be proud of.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 24, 2024 7:28:43 GMT
How can someone define a 'lie' when they never tell the truth.
You yourself provide proof a Reform candidate from Merseyside had also been made death threats, so that's TWO that we know of, you spend nearly every post calling posters who don't agree with you 'Liars' ... change the fuckin record.... if that's the best you can do .... Liar Liar Liar ... you sound like a right tit.
Keep in mind the Labour lot on here are in bed with Hamas supporters and other Islamist groups, like BLM.
You have any evidence for that ridiculous claim? Or is it another "throw some lies and know other right-wingers are dumb enough to fall for them" post? All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jun 24, 2024 7:31:33 GMT
There are and were no disputed regions of Ukraine - FACT The Russian Federation in 1991 officialy recognised Ukraine as an independent nation within its then borders - FACT There was no dispute with Russia until Putin became leader and decided that Ukraine must remain under Russian domination - FACT Russian separatists were in conflict in several regions before the Russian invasion and Russia recognised these regions. We call this a dispute. Your second 'fact' is a bit more complicated as it came during the turmoil of the break up and dissolution of the Soviet Union where armed conflict was in the air. I think as regards Crimea Sebastopol was a serious consideration for Russia whereby if Ukraine joined NATO then that port would be lost to them, possibly if the EU were in control as well. The rhetoric from teh West has always been anti Russian, if one sees ones self defined enemies moving into one's zone of influence then it is provocative. One can hold up one's hands in innocence but if international diplomats have no conception of how it appeared perhaps they should find a new vocation. Russian separatists where Ukrainian born, living in Ukraine. They had no right whatsoever to turn a part of the Ukraine into part of Russia, and probably would not have even thought to do so without being encouraged by Russia. There is no option to the reality that the Ukrainian borders were recognised and were claimed to be defended by Putin himself. The rhetoric from the West has always been against Russian aggression. There would be no need for NATO at all if Russia behaved as a normal democratic country instead of being run by a megalomaniacal dictator who's only concern is the spread of Russian control and influence over those countries surrounding Russia. Despite Russia already being the Largest country in the world. |
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