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Post by sandypine on Jun 5, 2024 8:37:37 GMT
The right personnel, an interesting point. As a result of diversity quotas 10% of Met police are functionally illiterate, that's the official fig, who knows what the actual fig might be. What do you think the most important qualifying criteria should be for any job applicant, suitable qualifications, or skin colour? Diversity is a race to the bottom. Look; you are preaching to the converted here. The most important qualifying criteria for any job is the ability to do the job competently, preferably the ability to excel at the job. I am NOT saying that there are no problems with the current Police System, at every level. I AM saying those problems don't magically fix themselves for free. To my mind the core pro0blem with the Police is the same as the core problem with the NHS. They both get used as political footballs by all sides of the political debate to score points against other sides of the political debate. How to fix that? I don't think there is a magic bullet, simple solution. But I am certain that the solution will not happen for free. All The Best The problem is what job are they being asked to do? They have priorities which comes from Ministerial guidance, local groups, local political groups, pressure groups and Chief police officers. The accent in recent years has been on traffic and hurty feelings. Where overkill on traffic is noted and extreme overkill on hurty feelings is also noted and an abject fear by all and sundry of being labelled racist as it can lead to the end of careers and the loss of pensions. McPherson ensured the police became a group that recognised ethnic minorities as something different to be treated with kid gloves, understanding and patience irrespective of how they behaved and what they were suspected of. They are no longer expected to uphold the law without fear or favour. They have specific duties as regards society and the values they have reflect the political direction of the country. The police should have no values other than to consider keeping the peace and upholding the law and behaving with respect to all innocent civilians and with determination against those who are suspected of law breaking. They have been shackled and politically directed. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 5, 2024 8:41:52 GMT
I think we could solve the problem for free . Arm them and tell them to go and do their job without fear of prosecution .The police need to be the biggest and baddest gang in town ,if that means replacing traffic cops with paramilitary types then so be it . Those guns just fall off the MAgic-Free-Gun-Tree do they? Arming our Police COSTS MONEY. As for the rest of your post: turning the Police into the biggest, baddest paramilitary gang on the streets? You want to turn us in to Sudan? All The Best The police have enough weapons in stock .I wasn't saying arming all the police but rather expanding current armed units like the METS SCO19 .These gangs need removing from our society ,shoot them , jail them ,deport them , whatever it takes as long as they are gone . That doesnt turn us into Sudan , it turns us into a safe to live in London where 9 year old girls don't get shot in turf wars |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 5, 2024 10:14:39 GMT
We’ve had trial and error since Robert Peel. Now it’s just error.Is it? You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right? Willing to bet you are the only person in the country to think that - other than criminals that is. All The Best If the criminals think it then I might be right . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 16:59:34 GMT
Is it? You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right? Willing to bet you are the only person in the country to think that - other than criminals that is. All The Best If the criminals think it then I might be right . Not sure you thought that comment through properly. But hey, why make a special case for just that comment. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 6, 2024 17:05:30 GMT
If the criminals think it then I might be right . Not sure you thought that comment through properly. But hey, why make a special case for just that comment. All The Best I thought it through enough . If you took your head out of your arse you might stop smelling your own bullshit and thinking it’s clear air. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:08:35 GMT
Not sure you thought that comment through properly. But hey, why make a special case for just that comment. All The Best I thought it through enough . If you took your head out of your arse you might stop smelling your own bullshit and thinking it’s clear air. Sop you actually think we should take guidance from criminals on whether the Police are doing things right, and you'd choose to agree with the criminals. Ok. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 6, 2024 17:13:21 GMT
I thought it through enough . If you took your head out of your arse you might stop smelling your own bullshit and thinking it’s clear air. Sop you actually think we should take guidance from criminals on whether the Police are doing things right, and you'd choose to agree with the criminals. Ok. All The Best I never said we should ‘ take guidance ‘ from criminals . That's something you and your shoulder chip constructed . I pointed out that if criminals think the police are useless then they are probably right . If you ask nicely I’ll tell you why . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:22:57 GMT
Sop you actually think we should take guidance from criminals on whether the Police are doing things right, and you'd choose to agree with the criminals. Ok. All The Best I never said we should ‘ take guidance ‘ from criminals . That's something you and your shoulder chip constructed . I pointed out that if criminals think the police are useless then they are probably right . If you ask nicely I’ll tell you why . I posed the question: You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right?So we were clearly discussing what the police " get right" and by extension what they " get wrong". Criminals would obviously like the Police to get more things wrong. and you think we should side with the criminals " If the criminals think it then I might be right". What deviant, criminal activity are you hiding? All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 6, 2024 17:30:04 GMT
I never said we should ‘ take guidance ‘ from criminals . That's something you and your shoulder chip constructed . I pointed out that if criminals think the police are useless then they are probably right . If you ask nicely I’ll tell you why . I posed the question: You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right?So we were clearly discussing what the police " get right" and by extension what they " get wrong". Criminals would obviously like the Police to get more things wrong. and you think we should side with the criminals " If the criminals think it then I might be right". What deviant, criminal activity are you hiding? All The Best Yup. You said “You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right? Willing to bet you are the only person in the country to think that - other than criminals that is.” I said “If the criminals think( ie ..there is absolutely nothing at all the the police do that they get right) it then I might be right . For someone who claims to be clever you safe remarkably thick…but we both new that anyway 😁 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:36:11 GMT
I posed the question: You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right?So we were clearly discussing what the police " get right" and by extension what they " get wrong". Criminals would obviously like the Police to get more things wrong. and you think we should side with the criminals " If the criminals think it then I might be right". What deviant, criminal activity are you hiding? All The Best Yup. You said “You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right? Willing to bet you are the only person in the country to think that - other than criminals that is.” I said “If the criminals think( ie ..there is absolutely nothing at all the the police do that they get right) it then I might be right . For someone who claims to be clever you safe remarkably thick…but we both new that anyway 😁 Well, you have to understand that it is most in the criminals' interests to lie about the effectiveness of the police. Saying something is being done badly, when it is actually being done correctly, as that would then incentivise changes to the police to make them less effective. It is not me who is remarkably thick here. But I don't imagine you are clever enough to figure that out. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 6, 2024 17:39:30 GMT
Yup. You said “You are saying there is absolutely nothing at all that the Police do that they get right? Willing to bet you are the only person in the country to think that - other than criminals that is.” I said “If the criminals think( ie ..there is absolutely nothing at all the the police do that they get right) it then I might be right . For someone who claims to be clever you safe remarkably thick…but we both new that anyway 😁 Well, you have to understand that it is most in the criminals' interests to lie about the effectiveness of the police. Saying something is being done badly, when it is actually being done correctly, as that would then incentivise changes to the police to make them less effective. It is not me who is remarkably thick here. But I don't imagine you are clever enough to figure that out. All The Best I never said anything about ‘ lying’ ..the word was ‘ think ‘. If you think that the word ‘ think’ equates to ‘ lie’ then you are both thick and confused . I love thickoes who think they are clever 😁 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:47:19 GMT
Well, you have to understand that it is most in the criminals' interests to lie about the effectiveness of the police. Saying something is being done badly, when it is actually being done correctly, as that would then incentivise changes to the police to make them less effective. It is not me who is remarkably thick here. But I don't imagine you are clever enough to figure that out. All The Best I never said anything about ‘ lying’ ..the word was ‘ think ‘. If you think that the word ‘ think’ equates to ‘ lie’ then you are both thick and confused . I love thickoes who think they are clever 😁 How do you know what somebody thinks? All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 6, 2024 17:52:05 GMT
I never said anything about ‘ lying’ ..the word was ‘ think ‘. If you think that the word ‘ think’ equates to ‘ lie’ then you are both thick and confused . I love thickoes who think they are clever 😁 How do you know what somebody thinks? All The Best I don’t ..that’s why I started the sentence with ‘ If’. … Lol. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 6, 2024 17:57:22 GMT
How do you know what somebody thinks? All The Best I don’t ..that’s why I started the sentence with ‘ If’. … Lol. See, now you can't even remember what YOU posted: "I said “ If the criminals think( ie ..there is absolutely nothing at all the the police do that they get right) it then I might be right ".So, whatever the criminals think you might be tight. But to know that you MUST know what the criminals think. By the Gods, this is like pulling teeth. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 6, 2024 18:49:23 GMT
I don’t ..that’s why I started the sentence with ‘ If’. … Lol. See, now you can't even remember what YOU posted: "I said “ If the criminals think( ie ..there is absolutely nothing at all the the police do that they get right) it then I might be right ".So, whatever the criminals think you might be tight. But to know that you MUST know what the criminals think. By the Gods, this is like pulling teeth. All The Best I agree . You are so desperate, you are posting waffle to obfuscate. IF the criminals THINK ( xxxxxxx ) then I MIGHT be right . No where in that sentence suggests that I know what the criminals think. You are embarrassing yourself now . Carry on. |
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