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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 25, 2024 14:44:23 GMT
Is something you don't hear about that often unless it is in a museum. However I thought I'd start a thread and dump some British tech on it as and when I come across it. We shall hopefully see if the British tech is cooler than the China tech or vice versa. You are welcome to argue it is by posting your own examples, although only examples of current tech please since we really don't need any more history lessons. This is about things that will change the future.
Lets start with concrete. Here is a new way to make steel and concrete in a combined way, or what they call symbiotic. The idea is to efficiently recycle the concrete as cheaply as possible and make it "green".
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Post by piglet on May 26, 2024 10:04:44 GMT
I dont know if its british or not, but ive ordered some steps so that my aging jack russel can get on the bed and off it. When she jumps off theres a hell of a thump and she limps. I call heer fatty.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 28, 2024 15:02:24 GMT
I think this counts as British tech, as in British African.
The world's fastest drone: 480km/h. Well done!
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Post by steppenwolf on May 29, 2024 6:01:14 GMT
I think it would be more interesting to hear about Chinese tech - i.e. tech that the Chinese have invented as opposed to tech they've stolen from the West. I can't think of any.
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Post by sheepy on May 29, 2024 6:18:06 GMT
I think it would be more interesting to hear about Chinese tech - i.e. tech that the Chinese have invented as opposed to tech they've stolen from the West. I can't think of any. Well in fairness the Chinese are very clever at what they do, a few years ago some people realised that all we were doing was using the education system to churn out mass Consumers, which was great a advantage for the Chinese to mass produce goods for the market to feed the hunger for the consumer, slowly but surely we started to turn that around, but then suddenly out came this we must save the planet from ourselves, which has created a new kind of consumer, a more thoughtful one, that must only consume goods that are planet friendly, so the Chinese being extremely quick on the uptake produce planet friendly goods from a non-planet friendly industrial base. |
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Post by sheepy on May 29, 2024 6:46:35 GMT
How the feck did you work that out sheepbrain, well you see many years ago, the EU were using something called the EU incessant education programme, which if it was a country that was seen as less Brussels friendly than others, it would be released on said country, since we pointed this out all references to it have since disappeared. Then it clicked, they were also using an education system to brainwash each generation. As the populists then had to go to work to turn this around, as it was an assault on freedom and democracy.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 29, 2024 16:10:58 GMT
I think it would be more interesting to hear about Chinese tech - i.e. tech that the Chinese have invented as opposed to tech they've stolen from the West. I can't think of any. We have both British Tech and China Tech threads now.
I want to be fair and give a genuine plug and thumbs up to either country on the merits of the tech being presented. Anyone can have a go, from a big corporation to amateur experimenter. Like with patents or with records, it has to be a first. From these threads we can see how each is doing and we can get a taste of what the future will look like.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 30, 2024 6:37:48 GMT
I think it would be more interesting to hear about Chinese tech - i.e. tech that the Chinese have invented as opposed to tech they've stolen from the West. I can't think of any. Well in fairness the Chinese are very clever at what they do, a few years ago some people realised that all we were doing was using the education system to churn out mass Consumers, which was great a advantage for the Chinese to mass produce goods for the market to feed the hunger for the consumer, slowly but surely we started to turn that around, but then suddenly out came this we must save the planet from ourselves, which has created a new kind of consumer, a more thoughtful one, that must only consume goods that are planet friendly, so the Chinese being extremely quick on the uptake produce planet friendly goods from a non-planet friendly industrial base. The Chinese are very good at taking existing tech and making it very cheaply - but that's because they have very cheap energy and most manufacturers are state-subsidised. Also the Chinese govt keeps the currency artificially low. It's called dumping. They're not very good at inventing new technology though. It's mostly stolen from us. They do make some very good stuff though at unbelievable prices. A Chinese made guitar is about one third the price of a virtually identical one made in the USA. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 30, 2024 13:54:13 GMT
Well in fairness the Chinese are very clever at what they do, a few years ago some people realised that all we were doing was using the education system to churn out mass Consumers, which was great a advantage for the Chinese to mass produce goods for the market to feed the hunger for the consumer, slowly but surely we started to turn that around, but then suddenly out came this we must save the planet from ourselves, which has created a new kind of consumer, a more thoughtful one, that must only consume goods that are planet friendly, so the Chinese being extremely quick on the uptake produce planet friendly goods from a non-planet friendly industrial base. The Chinese are very good at taking existing tech and making it very cheaply - but that's because they have very cheap energy and most manufacturers are state-subsidised. Also the Chinese govt keeps the currency artificially low. It's called dumping. They're not very good at inventing new technology though. It's mostly stolen from us. They do make some very good stuff though at unbelievable prices. A Chinese made guitar is about one third the price of a virtually identical one made in the USA. That's rubbish. The technology is not mostly stolen from the US. That's not to say a lot of it comes from the US, but it is not stolen. To start with one should look at Chinese physics and its history. Around the 1980s time and before there were a lot of things in physics the Chinese independently discovered without being aware of the original Western science on it, such was the isolation between the two. A second source of it was the practice of the state sponsoring very bright Chinese students to study in Western universities and pay much higher fees than any native would pay, be that via tax or grant. This knowledge is knowledge we sold to them fairly and squarely. Many of these Chinese PhDers in top universities like Stanford stayed on in China and invented Western tech that is categorised as such by being invented on their soil and in their institutions. Then we had the knowledge that was just free for anyone to use, i.e. unpatented techniques especially in manufacturing, such as things too trivial to patent. These were learnt because we commissioned them to build our manufactured products the way we wanted, so they learnt via us telling them. We also have the out of patent technology of 25 years ago. Anyone is free to use this and China used it themselves to produce all those cheap bits and pieces you might need to build a manufacturing plant. There is a great deal of quite old technology which is still very good. On top of this older stuff they bought the firms they needed to acquire the patents they needed, so that was also bought and paid for. For example they bought bust British hifi manufacturers like Quad and Mission from auction, and took ownership of their patent portfolio and their designs. They used this as a starting point for their products which they would then refine and bring up to modern standards. Right now we are seeing a different phase in development where the tech comes out of places like the Chinese Academy of Sciences and fast into production, so they are moving up the value chain into high value research.
I think you need to study the country a little more before making sweeping statements myself. It's just ignorance and will not do us any good at all.
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Post by steppenwolf on May 31, 2024 6:17:13 GMT
As I said most of the tech cam from us. Whether most was stolen or not is a moot point but a lot of it was. The fact remains that the Chinese don't invent much. The same goes for the Middle East too. Very few scientific discoveries come from the Middle East. And the muslim nations have hardly invented anything. It's Europe. British and the USA that advance the frontiers of knowledge
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Post by Dan Dare on May 31, 2024 8:03:34 GMT
The Bloodhound LSRIts chief aerodynamicist, Ron Ayers, passed away on Wednesday. Ayers was also chief designer for the Thrust SSC which set the first supersonic LSR in 1997, a record that still stands. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 31, 2024 8:15:56 GMT
As I said most of the tech cam from us. Whether most was stolen or not is a moot point but a lot of it was. The fact remains that the Chinese don't invent much. The same goes for the Middle East too. Very few scientific discoveries come from the Middle East. And the muslim nations have hardly invented anything. It's Europe. British and the USA that advance the frontiers of knowledge Great, so you should be able to fill this thread out with wonderful contemporary inventions. Please prove your point. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 31, 2024 9:16:48 GMT
I'm unsure what the Baron means by contemporary but we had quite a lengthy discussion on BDF on 'The 20 inventions since 1900 that made the modern world' This was the list I proposed which appeared to have consensus agreement. I challenged the Baron to propose a Chinese invention that deserves to be in the list, but he declined to offer anything. Not in any sort of order here is a list of 20 inventions (or discoveries) made since the beginning of the 20th century that have been instrumental in creating the modern world. 1. The stored-program computer 2. Television 3. Nuclear fission 4. Structure of DNA 5. Penicillin 6. Radar 7. Jet engine 8. TCP/IP 9. High-yielding cereals 10. Radio 11. Ethernet 12. The tractor 13. DDT 14. Synthetic nitrogen fertilisers 15. The internet (WWW) 16. Self-propelled combine harvester 17. Powered flight 18. The Pill 19. Ethernet 20. Cellular phone The Chinese approach to technical advancement is typified by the Comac C919 saga which encompasses all the traditional processes underlying 'Chinese Tech', including widescale industrial espionage and IPR theft. Even after all that, all of the important systems from the engines to the landing gear are of Western origin or produced by JVs in China. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 31, 2024 13:51:29 GMT
I'm unsure what the Baron means by contemporary but we had quite a lengthy discussion on BDF on 'The 20 inventions since 1900 that made the modern world' This was the list I proposed which appeared to have consensus agreement. I challenged the Baron to propose a Chinese invention that deserves to be in the list, but he declined to offer anything. Not in any sort of order here is a list of 20 inventions (or discoveries) made since the beginning of the 20th century that have been instrumental in creating the modern world. 1. The stored-program computer 2. Television 3. Nuclear fission 4. Structure of DNA 5. Penicillin 6. Radar 7. Jet engine 8. TCP/IP 9. High-yielding cereals 10. Radio 11. Ethernet 12. The tractor 13. DDT 14. Synthetic nitrogen fertilisers 15. The internet (WWW) 16. Self-propelled combine harvester 17. Powered flight 18. The Pill 19. Ethernet 20. Cellular phone The Chinese approach to technical advancement is typified by the Comac C919 saga which encompasses all the traditional processes underlying 'Chinese Tech', including widescale industrial espionage and IPR theft. Even after all that, all of the important systems from the engines to the landing gear are of Western origin or produced by JVs in China. 1900 is not what I mean by contemporary. I would say the last ten years, as per what is ongoing and currently being published in the academic journals and patents applied for. In the China Tech thread I've tried to omit any I come across which are trivial or just part of an ongoing product refinement process. I'm most interested in the ones that will deliver the biggest bang for our bucks. For example the one about the concrete in my estimation is significant given the huge amount of concrete the world produces. I'm looking for new processes based on science and innovative thinking. Much that I respect China and its efforts to build a C919, I would not say it really qualifies for China Tech. One i spotted today was a patent Huawei was granted for a technique to do multi patterning in chip fabrication in order to achieve 3mn with DUV. I know what I describe here is highly technical, but DUV was in the past only practically capable of 14nm, so that is a big jump. It's this kind of thing which qualifies, as per something that will have a noticeable effect on the world and is a new technique or discovery. We hold many claims to big technology inventions in the past, so lets get a peak of what is going on in the labs in Blighty right now. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 31, 2024 15:10:52 GMT
Solid British tech. uk.ooni.com/products/ooni-koda-2-maxYou'd have to be mad or have a death-wish to use anything gas-powered designed in China. We have the earlier model and it's fantastic. Cooks a perfect Neapolitan-style pizza in less than 60 seconds. In fact we're having one tonight. You can stick your 3nm deep ultraviolet where the sun doesn't shine. Tell us about something the Chinese have created that makes the world a better place. |
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