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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 12, 2024 6:56:24 GMT
In the meantime the Tory manifesto. Increase tax on the poor decrease tax on the rich. Nothing new there. Tell us we need to pay back the huge sums Covid cost while promising tax cuts. Could they be more out of touch. Academic I know as they are so gone, but worth remembering for the future. In the meantime the Labour manifesto. Increase tax on the poor decrease tax on the rich. Nothing new there. Tell us we need to pay back the huge sums Covid cost while promising no tax rises. Could they be more out of touch. Academic I know as they are both cheeks of the same arse, but worth remembering for the future. You do realise the tax burden is going up under the Tory manifesto? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2024 6:59:51 GMT
How many needful ones are there? How many do you want?. I would say that one is too much but you seem to believe the victims should shut up for the sake of diversity. Labour supporters seem to think that quite a lot. I don't want any, my point is no rape is needful and no rapist is worse than any other or deserves the attention you are giving to men in dresses. If you are really interested is reducing rape cases rather than demonising trans people, there is a lot of low hanging fruit you could concentrate on. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2024 7:02:05 GMT
The latest Yougov poll puts The Tories and Reform neck a neck on 18%.
Could the two merge to try and win the election?
Labour on 38%
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Post by sheepy on Jun 12, 2024 7:03:22 GMT
The latest Yougov poll puts The Tories and Reform neck a neck on 18%. Could the two merge to try and win the election? Labour on 38% 18% is the same as 38% of nothing. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 12, 2024 7:08:58 GMT
In the meantime the Labour manifesto. Increase tax on the poor decrease tax on the rich. Nothing new there. Tell us we need to pay back the huge sums Covid cost while promising no tax rises. Could they be more out of touch. Academic I know as they are both cheeks of the same arse, but worth remembering for the future. You do realise the tax burden is going up under the Tory manifesto? I think the tax burden will rise almost no matter who wins, the question should be not whether it will rise or not but what will actually happen to the money raised and what it will be used for once the fine words and aspirations are consigned to history. If it is a choice between Tory and Labour then the Tories edge it slightly as Labour will oversee a return to EU control of some sort, continued mass immigration (legal and otherwise) and a country where actual work and responsibility taking will be poorly rewarded. They are a far cry from the party of the Keir Hardies and Michael Foots and the working man of Britain has become to the Labour Party broadly a nuisance who has to be cossetted for his vote and then ignored for his unacceptable wishes. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 12, 2024 7:09:05 GMT
In the meantime the Labour manifesto. Increase tax on the poor decrease tax on the rich. Nothing new there. Tell us we need to pay back the huge sums Covid cost while promising no tax rises. Could they be more out of touch. Academic I know as they are both cheeks of the same arse, but worth remembering for the future. You do realise the tax burden is going up under the Tory manifesto? Yep, as it will under Labour. Cheeks of the same arse, Andy. Cheeks of the same arse. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 12, 2024 7:17:43 GMT
How many do you want?. I would say that one is too much but you seem to believe the victims should shut up for the sake of diversity. Labour supporters seem to think that quite a lot. I don't want any, my point is no rape is needful and no rapist is worse than any other or deserves the attention you are giving to men in dresses. If you are really interested is reducing rape cases rather than demonising trans people, there is a lot of low hanging fruit you could concentrate on. But it is what you want. For decades this situation has never been a threat to women - now you want to change the rules to allow women to live under this threat. We were happy with the status quo that kept women safe for generations - we are not the ones wishing for change. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2024 7:38:55 GMT
I don't want any, my point is no rape is needful and no rapist is worse than any other or deserves the attention you are giving to men in dresses. If you are really interested is reducing rape cases rather than demonising trans people, there is a lot of low hanging fruit you could concentrate on. But it is what you want. For decades this situation has never been a threat to women - now you want to change the rules to allow women to live under this threat. We were happy with the status quo that kept women safe for generations - we are not the ones wishing for change. Your cohorts have found one case, meanwhile 60,000 plus rapes every year never caught your attention. I draw my own conclusion. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 12, 2024 7:42:07 GMT
You do realise the tax burden is going up under the Tory manifesto? Yep, as it will under Labour. Cheeks of the same arse, Andy. Cheeks of the same arse. Difference is, who caused the problem. Who caused the economic stagnation, who made 1 in 30 people living here someone who arrived in the last 5 years. Who has bought the health service to its knees. Not cheeks of the same arse at all. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 12, 2024 7:48:20 GMT
But it is what you want. For decades this situation has never been a threat to women - now you want to change the rules to allow women to live under this threat. We were happy with the status quo that kept women safe for generations - we are not the ones wishing for change. Your cohorts have found one case, meanwhile 60,000 plus rapes every year never caught your attention. I draw my own conclusion. Then you draw the wrong conclusion.. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 12, 2024 7:57:48 GMT
Yep, as it will under Labour. Cheeks of the same arse, Andy. Cheeks of the same arse. Difference is, who caused the problem. Who caused the economic stagnation, who made 1 in 30 people living here someone who arrived in the last 5 years. Who has bought the health service to its knees. Not cheeks of the same arse at all. You keep believing it, Zany. I'd say you'll learn, but of course you won't. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jun 12, 2024 8:24:45 GMT
zanygame
I wouldn't expect so. If Sunak had any intention of wanting a pact with Reform he would have made the necessary representations and negotiated that before he called an election. To try and sort that out afterwards, and during the hectic campaigning period is too late. Additionally, won't Reform have risen to 18% precisely because they offer something ideologically different and separate to what Sunak's 'New Labour' Tories believe in ?
But most importantly haven't Farage & Co had their fingers burned all too recently to fall for that again ? ...was it the last General Election when Farage stood down many of his candidates in important seats to help Boris get in and give us a proper Brexit ? But what happened, we got a Tory Government in name only that handed over Northern Ireland to the EU, that refused to wipe the masses of old EU legislation off our statute book, that governed as Social Democrat Blairites, and soon gave free rein to the three quarters (or more) of their backbenchers who are staunch Remainers, and who stitched things up to install Globabist Rishi as Prime Minister.
If Reform would merge with that lot rather than run a mile from them .... well, they'd be completely out of touch with their prospective voters. And rather than hoping to replace the Tories as the credible opposition to the Starmerite Regime after the election, they'll disappear down the same plughole the Tories are destined for ..... hopefully never to emerge from it again.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 12, 2024 9:39:26 GMT
A sobering article and likely an accurate forecast of things to come with woke Labour. The author notes, Labourites are keen to play down the 'Culture Wars' as something the Conservatives only hold on too. But quite rightly said this: www.spiked-online.com/2024/06/11/keir-starmer-will-not-end-the-culture-war/Ending the 'Culture Wars' is a euphemism for turbo-charging it, and anyone who objects to a man being dressed as a woman and identifying as a woman, will be accused of stoking up the culture wars. Exactly what happens on this forum in fact! |
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 12, 2024 10:00:31 GMT
"Culture Wars" or the status of Transgender people does not interest me at all
Whether or not a male who believes they are in the wrong body and uses a male or female bathroom will not create a home for people without a home, it wont shorten the NHS waiting lists or improve ambulance response times.
It wont improve the economy or create more jobs or make life better for the ordinary person, or help to recruit more teachers or build new schools.
There are Transgender people who use the same social club I use, they are biological men, and they use the female toilets ... no one gives a shit, no one cares.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 12, 2024 10:04:53 GMT
I think there is a certain care factor when autistic kids are being pumped full of drugs to sterilise them.
You don't care because your argument stands you on the wrong side of objective facts and that's the best you've got - 'nobody cares'.
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