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Post by patman post on Apr 26, 2024 20:09:55 GMT
www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/who-we-are/our-peopleThere's no such thing as a typical NCA officer. We come from different backgrounds and cultures, speak many languages and have diverse skills and experiences. NCA officers work in a wide range of roles, from investigations to intelligence, crime analysis to commercial procurement. Some of our officers come from a law enforcement or intelligence background. Many do not. From the Civil Service to the private sector or straight from school – NCA officers come from all walks of life. Our diversity is one of our greatest strengths. What we have in common is dedication and a commitment to protecting the public from serious and organised crime. If you believe that, you'll believe anything. The NCA has a lot ex-CID officers that think they are the Sweeney and I can tell you that they are very similar in corruption terms to the Police, in general. The NCA is not the Met — and it's the Met that polices 32 London boroughs and has most contact with Londoners.
The City of London Police, Parks Police, British Transport Police, etc, play their own associated roles. But it's the Met that Londoners are most dissatified with. Since 2000 there have been seven Met Police Commissioners (plus one acting temporary), and public satisfaction with the police has not improved.
Is simply replacing the current commissioner, once again, likely to improve the situation...?
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 26, 2024 21:21:49 GMT
Why should we reward failure?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 27, 2024 9:58:34 GMT
The City of London Police, Parks Police, British Transport Police, etc, play their own associated roles. But it's the Met that Londoners are most dissatified with... Well of course it is, the Met's by far the biggest. Now if only those "Londoners" could agree on what the problems are then we might get somewhere. But we are where we are. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2024 12:25:53 GMT
The City of London Police, Parks Police, British Transport Police, etc, play their own associated roles. But it's the Met that Londoners are most dissatified with... Well of course it is, the Met's by far the biggest. Now if only those "Londoners" could agree on what the problems are then we might get somewhere. But we are where we are. Are you suggesting the Met’s size is a reason or excuse for dissatisfaction with its operation and performance? That is obviously something that should be considered, though it’s likely there’s more than one reason for Londoners’ lack of confidence and widespread dissatisfaction with the Met. Even Boris Johnson saw faults and got rid of the commissioner, and several more commissioners have been changed since. But, apart from the occasional rise in hope that a new broom would improve matters, dissatisfaction has grown. We are where we are, yes — but do we want to stay here…? PS — the response “you could always leave if you don’t like it here” wouldn’t be addressing the point of improving London’s policing… |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 27, 2024 13:32:26 GMT
www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/who-we-are/our-peopleThere's no such thing as a typical NCA officer. We come from different backgrounds and cultures, speak many languages and have diverse skills and experiences. NCA officers work in a wide range of roles, from investigations to intelligence, crime analysis to commercial procurement. Some of our officers come from a law enforcement or intelligence background. Many do not. From the Civil Service to the private sector or straight from school – NCA officers come from all walks of life. Our diversity is one of our greatest strengths. What we have in common is dedication and a commitment to protecting the public from serious and organised crime. If you believe that, you'll believe anything. The NCA has a lot ex-CID officers that think they are the Sweeney and I can tell you that they are very similar in corruption terms to the Police, in general. Not really they connect with specialist armed groups like SO19 that go after the organised crime, NCA is more intelligence based though they might also run under cover ops, the Met does usually not do this. The NCA as part of this arrests corrupt cops in the Met on the payroll of organised crime. Very hard for the Met to self police. If you have seen the film Serpico based on the US with early Pacino you will understand why. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 27, 2024 13:55:28 GMT
Are you suggesting the Met’s size is a reason or excuse for dissatisfaction with its operation and performance? Well of course. It has more interactions than any other force. Indeed, there is no other comparable force in the UK. It’s likely there’s more than one reason for Londoners’ lack of confidence and widespread dissatisfaction with the Met... Well of course. As the current commissioner commented, the Met was simultaneously accused of being woke and fascist! Even Boris Johnson saw faults and got rid of the commissioner… Yes, burgeoning wokery being the reason for that. ...and several more commissioners have been changed since. But, apart from the occasional rise in hope that a new broom would improve matters, dissatisfaction has grown... Well of course because the wokery has only increased ever since. As I said, subjected to the same pressures any replacement is only going to end up the same way. Society gets the policing it deserves. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2024 14:07:30 GMT
I can't see the point.
As squeezed has already posted, you either recruit an entirely new police force which know nothing and are useless, or you issue a whole host of rules and regulations that the current constabulary will quietly ignore as it always has.
At the end of the day, nothing can be done to appease professional victims such as Pat or fantasists such as Red whose ideas on crowd control don't extend much beyond the Amritsar massacre. Do you have any day-to-day experience of the Met? From what you've posted previously, you seem unlikely likely to require any more policing than that of a lollipop crossing attendant, and a bit of allotment conflict resolution by a PCSO.
A reformed Met should be easier to achieve than a disbanded RUC and new PSNI. The 175 recommendations of the Patten Report** shown how much effort was required to transform policing in Northern Ireland into a civilian service.
A reformed Met — from a new Policing Board down — would require that all new and retained officers, and police civilians, should be trained (and updated as required) in a revised ethics code and the fundamentals of policing by consent.
The policing of present day series of potentially violent demonstrations in London could benefit from some of the thinking in paragraphs 66 to 74 of Patten's recommendations, with all planned demonstrations needing to be notified in advance and organisers contributing towards the marshalling effort.
Reforming the Met could be done quietly from within or publicly — but if the Met is to regain the trust of Londoners it has to radically change, as nibbling round the edges won't do it..
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2024 14:11:18 GMT
Are you suggesting the Met’s size is a reason or excuse for dissatisfaction with its operation and performance? Well of course. It has more interactions than any other force. Indeed, there is no other comparable force in the UK. It’s likely there’s more than one reason for Londoners’ lack of confidence and widespread dissatisfaction with the Met... Well of course. As the current commissioner commented, the Met was simultaneously accused of being woke and fascist! Even Boris Johnson saw faults and got rid of the commissioner… Yes, burgeoning wokery being the reason for that. ...and several more commissioners have been changed since. But, apart from the occasional rise in hope that a new broom would improve matters, dissatisfaction has grown... Well of course because the wokery has only increased ever since. As I said, subjected to the same pressures any replacement is only going to end up the same way. Society gets the policing it deserves. Do any of your arguments ever get beyond relying on the words woke and wokery...? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 27, 2024 14:51:04 GMT
Well of course. It has more interactions than any other force. Indeed, there is no other comparable force in the UK. Well of course. As the current commissioner commented, the Met was simultaneously accused of being woke and fascist! Yes, burgeoning wokery being the reason for that. Well of course because the wokery has only increased ever since. As I said, subjected to the same pressures any replacement is only going to end up the same way. Society gets the policing it deserves. Do any of your arguments ever get beyond relying on the words woke and wokery...? Do yours ever extend to actually addressing the point? Or do they stop at simply shouting "Racism"? |
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Post by Orac on Apr 27, 2024 15:04:17 GMT
The grievance mongering wont stop, it's a cash cow. lucrative careers rely on it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 27, 2024 15:18:39 GMT
The grievance mongering wont stop, it's a cash cow. lucrative careers rely on it. And the useful idiots keep sucking it up. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 27, 2024 20:04:00 GMT
Do any of your arguments ever get beyond relying on the words woke and wokery...? Do yours ever extend to actually addressing the point? Or do they stop at simply shouting "Racism"? Thee point of the thread is "Should the Met be disbanded...and reformed". I've given my arguments, and debated a few points. I suggest that's "addressing the point" without any extension needed.
I don't recall shouting or accusing anyone here of racism — in fact I doubt I've even debated it as often as you've posted woke or wokery in your contributions to this thread...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 28, 2024 4:59:59 GMT
Do yours ever extend to actually addressing the point? Or do they stop at simply shouting "Racism"? Thee point of the thread is "Should the Met be disbanded...and reformed". I've given my arguments, and debated a few points. I suggest that's "addressing the point" without any extension needed.
I don't recall shouting or accusing anyone here of racism — in fact I doubt I've even debated it as often as you've posted woke or wokery in your contributions to this thread...
Aw, did you bunch your panties Patsy?
The Met's real problem is that it appears to pander to vociferous minority groups while ignoring the majoritys wish to get tough on these assholes.
Now I know that you have a decades old grievance mentality, which the Met currently indulges, but the rest of us really don't give a shit about that.
And therein lies the problem.
Soz.
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Post by patman post on Apr 28, 2024 12:48:16 GMT
Thee point of the thread is "Should the Met be disbanded...and reformed". I've given my arguments, and debated a few points. I suggest that's "addressing the point" without any extension needed.
I don't recall shouting or accusing anyone here of racism — in fact I doubt I've even debated it as often as you've posted woke or wokery in your contributions to this thread...
Aw, did you bunch your panties Patsy?
The Met's real problem is that it appears to pander to vociferous minority groups while ignoring the majoritys wish to get tough on these assholes.
Now I know that you have a decades old grievance mentality, which the Met currently indulges, but the rest of us really don't give a shit about that.
And therein lies the problem.
Soz.
My apologies.
I thought I was debating with a mature adult, not someone who slings schoolyard-level back-chat around when their wrong accusations and assumptions are shown up...
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Post by borchester on Apr 28, 2024 13:56:58 GMT
Aw, did you bunch your panties Patsy?
The Met's real problem is that it appears to pander to vociferous minority groups while ignoring the majoritys wish to get tough on these assholes.
Now I know that you have a decades old grievance mentality, which the Met currently indulges, but the rest of us really don't give a shit about that.
And therein lies the problem.
Soz.
My apologies.
I thought I was debating with a mature adult, not someone who slings schoolyard-level back-chat around when their wrong accusations and assumptions are shown up...
Gosh, we are really being horrid to you aren't we Pat ?
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