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Post by wapentake on Apr 21, 2024 21:45:03 GMT
Well that’s great but then we have to accept what they do even when it contradicts our personal and political beliefs. So I’ll pose a question (again) that nobody cared to answer,let’s suppose that West Ham are playing millwall at home and the police even when they were still a force do what they always did kept the millwall supporters back until the West Ham lot had dispersed. Now as the milwall lot are let out the stadium and are being escorted away a West Ham supporter resplendent in scarf and hat approaches that group,a police officer says it is clear you support the hammers but you can go no further for now,you are ok toexercise your right to go for a walk and can do so once they’ve passed if you persist in trying to continue now you’ll be arrested for a breach of the peace and or public order offence. Would you seriously say that officer was wrong? Yes - and I say that as a West Ham fan who went to matches with Millwall. Then without wishing to be rude you are either suicidal or having a laugh. What police service/force on this planet would let you do that? |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 21, 2024 21:54:07 GMT
It seems to be the why is elusive and too many assumptions can be made as regards the reasons. I dispute all that — reasons and percentages are given.
And in an overwhelmingly law-abiding country with an overwhelmingly law-abiding population, isn't it the attitude of the people being policed that counts?
If citizens' trust is lost, doesn't it need to be regained — as has happened in Northern Ireland?
I'm asking if the Northern Ireland approach would be the solution...
Perhaps I missed the reasons I could not find them in the link unless I am being a bit slow. The percentages are plain enough. It is why the people lack trust that is important. You cannot break a mould and then replace it with something in which the form and specification is exactly the same. In other words doing the same thing again and expressing surprise when it again fails. The PSNI is not immune to problems that stem from the same old sectarianism. A police service can only police communities by consent if they are in the main of those communities culturally and that is where SS Multiculturalism destroys itself against the exposed rocks of non integrated diversity. London may be a melting pot but the crucible within which it is fired has to be the solid bowl of British culture and mores and the laws that stem from that. Trying to a police force for all cultures is doomed to failure as we can see. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 21, 2024 21:58:37 GMT
Yes - and I say that as a West Ham fan who went to matches with Millwall. Then without wishing to be rude you are either suicidal or having a laugh. What police service/force on this planet would let you do that? Well back in the day the police didn't give a shit about the safety of football fans - although tbh i don't blame them.  West Ham vs Millwall - happy days..  |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Apr 21, 2024 22:50:09 GMT
In the 19th century there were a number of occasions when local police forces were disbanded because they had become corrupt ... they were running "protection rackets".
A friend of mine was working in the kitchens of a "posh" London restaurant. Police would often come in and, away from the public part of the restaurant, be given an expensive meal ... something that would usually cost a couple of hundred quid. When my friend commented about this he was told: "We look after them and they look after us".
When a driver breaks down, or is in an accident and the police are involved they often have arrangements with local breakdown services and hotels ... who pay them to direct people to them. Back in the 50s my uncle was a "Fence" (he brought stolen goods). Some of his best customers were police.
In a town local to where I live there is a "Crime family" ... the county police have a lot of "respect" for them... despite the fact that the head of the family was once fined hundreds of thousands for money laundering after being prosecuted by the Customs and Excise people. He was consorting with Northern Irish criminals. Locals were surprised he wasn't given a prison sentence.The local newspaper once reported that he had "financial interests" in over a hundred local businesses.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 21, 2024 23:53:17 GMT
Then without wishing to be rude you are either suicidal or having a laugh. What police service/force on this planet would let you do that? Well back in the day the police didn't give a shit about the safety of football fans - although tbh i don't blame them. West Ham vs Millwall - happy days.. As you are well aware we are not talking about back in the day. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 22, 2024 9:28:17 GMT
Then without wishing to be rude you are either suicidal or having a laugh. What police service/force on this planet would let you do that? Well back in the day the police didn't give a shit about the safety of football fans - although tbh i don't blame them. West Ham vs Millwall - happy days.. Police didn’t cover themselves in glory at Hillsborough — then (like so often) they gave misleading briefings and falsified evidence to shift attention from themselves. The same happened with the responses following the mishandling of the Lawrence and De Menezes killings… |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 22, 2024 11:20:14 GMT
The Met doesn't need disbanding it needs depoliticising
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 11:25:10 GMT
...and reformed?
It's worked in Northern Ireland, where the discredited and mistrusted RUC was reformed and replaced the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). Is enough now enough, and should policing in the capital be reformed, and the Met Police SERVICE be reconstituted to reflect its title?
About a year ago, YouGov found that "Half of Londoners (51%) say they don’t trust the Metropolitan Police very much or at all, compared to 42% who say they do tend to trust them (although this includes a mere 6% who say they trust them “a lot”)".
Admittedly, this finding was a year ago, in the week that saw former Metropolitan Police officer David Carrick sentenced for his 17 years of sex crimes against women (Feb 2023).
With memories of the 2021 murder of Sarah Everard by Met Officer Wayne Couzens fresh in the public memory, as well as revelations of more widespread unacceptable behaviour at the institution, it is no surprise that the YouGov Political Research poll of Londoners found a distinct lack of trust in the capital’s police.
And now Suella Braverman has called for the head of Sir Mark Rowley as row over policing of Gaza rallies escalates...
No, in spite of demands from BLM and equally clueless lefties, the Met should not be disbanded what a ridiculous suggestion. What the Met need more now than ever is a change of leadership. The rank & file need leaders who are not politically motivated, politically correct, woke or sympathetic to particular mobs. As far as the law being enforced without fear or favour, the Met have failed and the buck stops at Rowley's door. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 11:40:25 GMT
If what I'm listening to is correct Rowley is hanging onto his job by the skin of his teeth. Sunak said he still has confidence in the Commissioner, but his words were heavily caveated, he also said the Home Sec will be having a meeting with the Commissioner. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that meeting.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 22, 2024 15:13:52 GMT
If what I'm listening to is correct Rowley is hanging onto his job by the skin of his teeth. Sunak said he still has confidence in the Commissioner, but his words were heavily caveated, he also said the Home Sec will be having a meeting with the Commissioner. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that meeting. It just gets better by the day Red....
Met officer admits mistake on order allegedly breached by Tommy Robinson at march against antisemitism......
A senior Metropolitan Police officer who signed a dispersal order allegedly breached by Tommy Robinson has admitted it may not have been lawful after he used the wrong date on the paperwork, a court has heard.
Robinson, 40, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon, denies failing to comply with a direction to leave an area in Westminster on November 26 last year.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 15:29:33 GMT
If what I'm listening to is correct Rowley is hanging onto his job by the skin of his teeth. Sunak said he still has confidence in the Commissioner, but his words were heavily caveated, he also said the Home Sec will be having a meeting with the Commissioner. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that meeting. It just gets better by the day Red.... Met officer admits mistake on order allegedly breached by Tommy Robinson at march against antisemitism...... A senior Metropolitan Police officer who signed a dispersal order allegedly breached by Tommy Robinson has admitted it may not have been lawful after he used the wrong date on the paperwork, a court has heard.
Robinson, 40, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon, denies failing to comply with a direction to leave an area in Westminster on November 26 last year.
Incredible, if a senior Metropolitan Police officer says it 'may not' have been lawful, then it's a given it definately was not lawful. It seems that the police, the Met anyway, have gone too far the other way to show BLM and lefties they are not 'institutionally racist'. We need senior police officers to be anti woke, apolitical and to police without fear or favour. Rowley is failing on all counts and he should go. Edit: The fact that we have Khan as London mayor obviously doesn't help. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 22, 2024 17:07:04 GMT
Unfortunately, Rowley was a member of the same senior officer cadre that lead the Met into its current woke malaise.
And employing the same people to solve the problems that they created in the first place simply isn't going to work.
Rowley needs to go.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 22, 2024 17:10:38 GMT
Is there any senior police officers that are more Dirty Harry than Wokey Rowley?
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 22, 2024 17:23:54 GMT
Is there any senior police officers that are more Dirty Harry than Wokey Rowley? LOL, I wouldn't have thought so. But it would be a good idea to recruit a few. |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 22, 2024 17:48:07 GMT
Is there any senior police officers that are more Dirty Harry than Wokey Rowley? LOL, I wouldn't have thought so. But it would be a good idea to recruit a few. I'd settle for a police force that doesn't drive rainbow coloured squad cars and actually look the part when faced with a mob and not run away as they did at a BLM march in June 2020 |
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