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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 14:03:52 GMT
...and reformed?
It's worked in Northern Ireland, where the discredited and mistrusted RUC was reformed and replaced the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). Is enough now enough, and should policing in the capital be reformed, and the Met Police SERVICE be reconstituted to reflect its title?
About a year ago, YouGov found that "Half of Londoners (51%) say they don’t trust the Metropolitan Police very much or at all, compared to 42% who say they do tend to trust them (although this includes a mere 6% who say they trust them “a lot”)".
Admittedly, this finding was a year ago, in the week that saw former Metropolitan Police officer David Carrick sentenced for his 17 years of sex crimes against women (Feb 2023).
With memories of the 2021 murder of Sarah Everard by Met Officer Wayne Couzens fresh in the public memory, as well as revelations of more widespread unacceptable behaviour at the institution, it is no surprise that the YouGov Political Research poll of Londoners found a distinct lack of trust in the capital’s police.
And now Suella Braverman has called for the head of Sir Mark Rowley as row over policing of Gaza rallies escalates...
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Post by sandypine on Apr 21, 2024 14:12:21 GMT
...and reformed?
It's worked in Northern Ireland, where the discredited and mistrusted RUC was reformed and replaced the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). Is enough now enough, and should policing in the capital be reformed, and the Met Police SERVICE be reconstituted to reflect its title?
About a year ago, YouGov found that "Half of Londoners (51%) say they don’t the Metropolitan Police very much or at all, compared to 42% who say they do tend to trust them (although this includes a mere 6% who say they trust them “a lot”)".
Admittedly, this finding was a year ago, in the week that saw former Metropolitan Police officer David Carrick sentenced for his 17 years of sex crimes against women (Feb 2023).
With memories of the 2021 murder of Sarah Everard by Met Officer Wayne Couzens fresh in the public memory, as well as revelations of more widespread unacceptable behaviour at the institution, it is no surprise that the YouGov Political Research poll of Londoners found a distinct lack of trust in the capital’s police.
And now Suella Braverman has called for the head of Sir Mark Rowley as row over policing of Gaza rallies escalates...
Does the poll indicate whey they do not trust them, some may feel the Met is too soft on criminals and too woke which would lead to mistrust? |
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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 14:17:20 GMT
Does the poll indicate whey they do not trust them, some may feel the Met is too soft on criminals and too woke which would lead to mistrust? Apologies for neglecting to post a link to the source:
I'm not sure it it'll provide the whey, but I'm sure you can pick some curds out of the data given...
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Post by sandypine on Apr 21, 2024 14:35:32 GMT
Does the poll indicate whey they do not trust them, some may feel the Met is too soft on criminals and too woke which would lead to mistrust? Apologies for neglecting to post a link to the source:
I'm not sure it it'll provide the whey, but I'm sure you can pick some curds out of the data given...
It seems to be the why is elusive and too many assumptions can be made as regards the reasons. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 14:55:55 GMT
Apologies for neglecting to post a link to the source:
I'm not sure it it'll provide the whey, but I'm sure you can pick some curds out of the data given...
It seems to be the why is elusive and too many assumptions can be made as regards the reasons. I dispute all that — reasons and percentages are given.
And in an overwhelmingly law-abiding country with an overwhelmingly law-abiding population, isn't it the attitude of the people being policed that counts?
If citizens' trust is lost, doesn't it need to be regained — as has happened in Northern Ireland?
I'm asking if the Northern Ireland approach would be the solution...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 21, 2024 16:13:30 GMT
Perhaps it was time that the Met was reformed as a force rather than a service and got on with robust policing even if it did upset vociferous minorities. The job of the police is to prevent and detect crime, not to get involved in politics and social engineering. And it's the latter that's responsible for the lack of trust IMHO. At the moment, the tail is wagging the dog. Also too often the police are looked at in isolation when effective policing also requires the support of the public, politicians, media and courts.
Ultimately society gets the policing it deserves. Perhaps it's society that needs to be reformed?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 21, 2024 16:19:02 GMT
...and reformed?
It's worked in Northern Ireland, where the discredited and mistrusted RUC was reformed and replaced the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). Is enough now enough, and should policing in the capital be reformed, and the Met Police SERVICE be reconstituted to reflect its title?
About a year ago, YouGov found that "Half of Londoners (51%) say they don’t trust the Metropolitan Police very much or at all, compared to 42% who say they do tend to trust them (although this includes a mere 6% who say they trust them “a lot”)".
Admittedly, this finding was a year ago, in the week that saw former Metropolitan Police officer David Carrick sentenced for his 17 years of sex crimes against women (Feb 2023).
With memories of the 2021 murder of Sarah Everard by Met Officer Wayne Couzens fresh in the public memory, as well as revelations of more widespread unacceptable behaviour at the institution, it is no surprise that the YouGov Political Research poll of Londoners found a distinct lack of trust in the capital’s police.
And now Suella Braverman has called for the head of Sir Mark Rowley as row over policing of Gaza rallies escalates...
So a policeman killing a woman is OK, but we have to disband it now because a jew was told he could not walk down a street. Great work Sky. Support your local rabbi. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 16:36:19 GMT
If that's your understanding, I'm surprised it doesn't get your approval...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 21, 2024 16:57:48 GMT
If that's your understanding, I'm surprised it doesn't get your approval... I know how the media works. It's a fabricated conceptual framework of references to politicised incidents. Call it people engineering. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 21, 2024 17:07:28 GMT
Perhaps it was time that the Met was reformed as a force rather than a service ^^^^ this Reform it to concentrate on simply enforcing the Law and leave all the extraneous bullshit to the local councils. |
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Post by patman post on Apr 21, 2024 18:55:30 GMT
If that's your understanding, I'm surprised it doesn't get your approval... I know how the media works. It's a fabricated conceptual framework of references to politicised incidents. Call it people engineering. You sure? Your understanding reads like a filament of some strange menageration… |
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Post by bancroft on Apr 21, 2024 18:57:16 GMT
The police were trying to stop a Jewish man walking through a crowd of Muslim people angry about the slaughter of Palestinians in the Middle East.
The language was clumsy yet not sure why this is straw that leads for calls to reform the Met...........
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Post by wapentake on Apr 21, 2024 19:20:50 GMT
Perhaps it was time that the Met was reformed as a force rather than a service ^^^^ this Reform it to concentrate on simply enforcing the Law and leave all the extraneous bullshit to the local councils. Well that’s great but then we have to accept what they do even when it contradicts our personal and political beliefs. So I’ll pose a question (again) that nobody cared to answer,let’s suppose that West Ham are playing millwall at home and the police even when they were still a force do what they always did kept the millwall supporters back until the West Ham lot had dispersed. Now as the milwall lot are let out the stadium and are being escorted away a West Ham supporter resplendent in scarf and hat approaches that group,a police officer says it is clear you support the hammers but you can go no further for now,you are ok toexercise your right to go for a walk and can do so once they’ve passed if you persist in trying to continue now you’ll be arrested for a breach of the peace and or public order offence. Would you seriously say that officer was wrong? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 21, 2024 21:11:28 GMT
^^^^ this Reform it to concentrate on simply enforcing the Law and leave all the extraneous bullshit to the local councils. Well that’s great but then we have to accept what they do even when it contradicts our personal and political beliefs. So I’ll pose a question (again) that nobody cared to answer,let’s suppose that West Ham are playing millwall at home and the police even when they were still a force do what they always did kept the millwall supporters back until the West Ham lot had dispersed. Now as the milwall lot are let out the stadium and are being escorted away a West Ham supporter resplendent in scarf and hat approaches that group,a police officer says it is clear you support the hammers but you can go no further for now,you are ok toexercise your right to go for a walk and can do so once they’ve passed if you persist in trying to continue now you’ll be arrested for a breach of the peace and or public order offence. Would you seriously say that officer was wrong? Yes - and I say that as a West Ham fan who went to matches with Millwall. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 21, 2024 21:42:03 GMT
Perhaps it was time that the Met was reformed as a force rather than a service ^^^^ this Reform it to concentrate on simply enforcing the Law and leave all the extraneous bullshit to the local councils. Absolutely |
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