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Post by piglet on Apr 20, 2024 10:05:24 GMT
If the country could start again politically, what would you do? I ask this in the spirit of revolution, we need something else, not this garbage. Labour, at its start, were sane, not now.
Short term we need a dictator, someone to take charge, like an imposed manager on a failing company. As a start, all political parties are disbanded, new ideas welcome.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 20, 2024 13:06:55 GMT
At the bare minimum we would need PR. The current system with its endless ping-pong between two establishment owned, almost the same, parties does not serve democracy in any way, shape or form and has lead to the stagnation we see today.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 20, 2024 16:12:38 GMT
Deny the vote to immigrants and children for a start.
Then yes PR with all the argument and coalition forming that causes.
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Post by sandypine on Apr 20, 2024 16:30:14 GMT
If the country could start again politically, what would you do? I ask this in the spirit of revolution, we need something else, not this garbage. Labour, at its start, were sane, not now. Short term we need a dictator, someone to take charge, like an imposed manager on a failing company. As a start, all political parties are disbanded, new ideas welcome. Parliament is a prize worth preserving, for some reason the political heavyweights of the past have disappeared as a breed apart. A dictator is a no no and governments need parliamentary support to function. The EEC/EU was a major part of the destruction process as it created a higher bureaucratic entity to where those who had finished 'serving Britain' could pursue their careers further in the corridors of Brussels. With one eye on the future prize 'serving Britain' became just a stepping stone which could not be changed in any way. Now we are clear we have a chance to regain something. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 20, 2024 19:21:38 GMT
Deny the vote to immigrants and children for a start. Then yes PR with all the argument and coalition forming that causes. Children can vote in Scottish elections, but not in general elections, so it isn't an issue for Westminster. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 20, 2024 19:30:53 GMT
Deny the vote to immigrants and children for a start. Then yes PR with all the argument and coalition forming that causes. Children can vote in Scottish elections, but not in general elections, so it isn't an issue for Westminster. It is Starmers intent to follow the example set by Wales, where children and immigrants who have not paid for british citizenship ate given tbe vote in council, police commissioner and assembly elections. I have told you this before He has declared it his intent to have it in westminster |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 20, 2024 19:47:22 GMT
So we agree that they can't at the minute? Thank you.
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Post by morayloon on Apr 21, 2024 2:12:05 GMT
Children can vote in Scottish elections, but not in general elections, so it isn't an issue for Westminster. It is Starmers intent to follow the example set by Wales, where children and immigrants who have not paid for british citizenship ate given tbe vote in council, police commissioner and assembly elections. I have told you this before He has declared it his intent to have it in westminster Scotland was first to extend the franchise to include 16 & 17 year olds. Then there is this "Electors of any nationality are eligible to register to vote in Senedd elections and local government elections, providing they meet the age and residency requirements and that they are not legally incapable of voting". And "A qualifying foreign citizen is a person who is not; a Commonwealth citizen, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and who has or does not require leave to remain or is treated as having leave to enter or remain in the UK". www.electoralcommission.org.uk/running-electoral-registration-wales/eligibility-register-vote/what-are-nationality-requirements-register-vote/can-a-foreign-national-register-voteAs an immigrant is obviously a foreign national, he/she can vote only if the qualifying restrictions are met. No need to be a British Citizen. However, there is nothing in the document that provides a voting open door. Anyway, how much of a problem is immigration in Wales? I suspect that, like Scotland, the largest immigrant nationality is from England. Are you saying that they cause problems? As you obviously have an immigrant phobia, the question is: as immigrants, should English people be prevented from voting in Welsh elections? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 21, 2024 5:56:03 GMT
So we agree that they can't at the minute? Thank you. No, we don't. They may not be able to vote YET where YOU are but they fucking well can, and do, fuck up life for me, and others here, helping to ensure a labour dictatorship by propping up all maner of left leaning arse holes promising them a life of luxury without working for it.
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 21, 2024 6:01:09 GMT
It is Starmers intent to follow the example set by Wales, where children and immigrants who have not paid for british citizenship ate given tbe vote in council, police commissioner and assembly elections. I have told you this before He has declared it his intent to have it in westminster Scotland was first to extend the franchise to include 16 & 17 year olds. Then there is this "Electors of any nationality are eligible to register to vote in Senedd elections and local government elections, providing they meet the age and residency requirements and that they are not legally incapable of voting". And "A qualifying foreign citizen is a person who is not; a Commonwealth citizen, or a citizen of the Republic of Ireland and who has or does not require leave to remain or is treated as having leave to enter or remain in the UK". www.electoralcommission.org.uk/running-electoral-registration-wales/eligibility-register-vote/what-are-nationality-requirements-register-vote/can-a-foreign-national-register-voteAs an immigrant is obviously a foreign national, he/she can vote only if the qualifying restrictions are met. No need to be a British Citizen. However, there is nothing in the document that provides a voting open door. Anyway, how much of a problem is immigration in Wales? I suspect that, like Scotland, the largest immigrant nationality is from England. Are you saying that they cause problems? As you obviously have an immigrant phobia, the question is: as immigrants, should English people be prevented from voting in Welsh elections?
Come and stand in Newport, Or Cardiff, Or Swansea. Open your ears and listen. You won't hear English. Or Welsh.
I don't have a "phobia". I have a hatred. They are not the same. The left use the word "phobia" to belittle the concerned.
Labour have chosen to create immigration holding centres in west wales in areas now, and traditonally, tory. Do you think that is a coincidence
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 21, 2024 6:19:15 GMT
So we agree that they can't at the minute? Thank you. No, we don't. They may not be able to vote YET where YOU are but they fucking well can, and do, fuck up life for me, and others here, helping to ensure a labour dictatorship by propping up all maner of left leaning arse holes promising them a life of luxury without working for it.
I'd stop the blue rinses from voting. They're all swivel eyed loons, and look where they've brought us. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 21, 2024 6:35:26 GMT
No, we don't. They may not be able to vote YET where YOU are but they fucking well can, and do, fuck up life for me, and others here, helping to ensure a labour dictatorship by propping up all maner of left leaning arse holes promising them a life of luxury without working for it.
I'd stop the blue rinses from voting. They're all swivel eyed loons, and look where they've brought us. Well if you stood on a platform of no 60 year old having a vote, in exchange for no sixty year old paying any sort of tax again, ever, including council tax, I'd vote for it, and let the country slide into it's pit of shit |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 21, 2024 6:51:01 GMT
I would abolish the representation of the peoples act (1918) that allowed the poorer people the vote . Only landowners could vote up to that point and was probably for the best given the riff raff that are allowed to vote these days .
That would exclude most immigrants , the unemployed ,squatters ,pikey's ,river people , cave dwellers ,benefit spongers ,ex pats , basically anyone that votes green ,CND socialist most of Labour and prisoners .
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 21, 2024 12:36:21 GMT
1) You can only be an MP for area you were born in.
2) Scrap political parties... so there are 600 odd independent MPs.
3) The public vote for the Prime Minister / President whatever we decide to call it.. and we run on their manifesto for 4 years, two terms max.
4) An independent body then appoints each cabinet / minister position based on matching skill sets.
5) We are living way beyond our means so trim the political, business, social bureaucracy rules / regulations / laws. Not cutting services, but removing the levels of bureaucracy / laws that have built up over the decades and just made everything that happens in this country too expensive.
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Post by piglet on Apr 22, 2024 10:06:13 GMT
There is a huge gap between parliament and the country, professional politicians does not work. We need to be governed by everyday people, people who govern part time, for the good of all, like in the old days. Parliament has a life of its own.
Not acceptable. How to do that though? The old adage of politicians not knowing the price of milk applies, that the consequences of their decisions, today,
ARE NOT FELT BY THEM. A crazy situation.
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