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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 7, 2024 20:25:11 GMT
This is really about fending off strikes. The TFBs (Tory Fascist Bastards) have been trying to make striking illegal for ages, and they are perilously close to achieving it with this. All The Best With groups like Aslef (and their 4-day shift pattern, days off in lieu if they work bank holidays — meaning they probably only work for six months of the year — now striking because £65,000 p.a. is not enough) isn’t it about time someone tried too bring sense to the UK’s bully boy Trade Union antics…? What a pile of laughable shit. £60k for taking hundreds of lives in your hands every day is not much. Meanwhile MPs sit on leather all day, eat and drink themselves merry at bars we pay to subsidise, get us to buy a second house for them, then mess about on sexting apps, and we pay them £91 per annum. I'd say at that rate ASLEF Members are being well underpaid. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 8, 2024 10:11:15 GMT
This is really about fending off strikes. The TFBs (Tory Fascist Bastards) have been trying to make striking illegal for ages, and they are perilously close to achieving it with this... Let's hope so, eh. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 8, 2024 10:13:52 GMT
With groups like Aslef (and their 4-day shift pattern, days off in lieu if they work bank holidays — meaning they probably only work for six months of the year — now striking because £65,000 p.a. is not enough) isn’t it about time someone tried too bring sense to the UK’s bully boy Trade Union antics…? Well quite. I don't think that this legislation is actually aimed at that, but if it can be used then so much the better. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 8, 2024 10:16:00 GMT
This is really about fending off strikes. The TFBs (Tory Fascist Bastards) have been trying to make striking illegal for ages, and they are perilously close to achieving it with this. All The Best With groups like Aslef (and their 4-day shift pattern, days off in lieu if they work bank holidays — meaning they probably only work for six months of the year — now striking because £65,000 p.a. is not enough) isn’t it about time someone tried too bring sense to the UK’s bully boy Trade Union antics…? The issue with this job is that it is the most boring tasks imaginable. You sit for hours staring at a moving wall. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 8, 2024 15:51:14 GMT
This is really about fending off strikes. The TFBs (Tory Fascist Bastards) have been trying to make striking illegal for ages, and they are perilously close to achieving it with this... Let's hope so, eh. Only a fascist would wish for such. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 8, 2024 15:54:39 GMT
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Post by patman post on Apr 8, 2024 19:28:36 GMT
With groups like Aslef (and their 4-day shift pattern, days off in lieu if they work bank holidays — meaning they probably only work for six months of the year — now striking because £65,000 p.a. is not enough) isn’t it about time someone tried too bring sense to the UK’s bully boy Trade Union antics…? What a pile of laughable shit. £60k for taking hundreds of lives in your hands every day is not much. Meanwhile MPs sit on leather all day, eat and drink themselves merry at bars we pay to subsidise, get us to buy a second house for them, then mess about on sexting apps, and we pay them £91 per annum. I'd say at that rate ASLEF Members are being well underpaid. All The Best MPs have to be voted in, and once they are, they’re on call 24/7 for 365 days a year. By that reckoning I wouldn’t begrudge paying them £180,000 a year basic. After all, there are only 650 of them and we can kick them out if they’re underperforming, whereas we’re stuck with train drivers who earn double the average national wage for working the equivalent of half a year… |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 8, 2024 20:11:08 GMT
What a pile of laughable shit. £60k for taking hundreds of lives in your hands every day is not much. Meanwhile MPs sit on leather all day, eat and drink themselves merry at bars we pay to subsidise, get us to buy a second house for them, then mess about on sexting apps, and we pay them £91 per annum. I'd say at that rate ASLEF Members are being well underpaid. All The Best MPs have to be voted in, and once they are, they’re on call 24/7 for 365 days a year. By that reckoning I wouldn’t begrudge paying them £180,000 a year basic. After all, there are only 650 of them and we can kick them out if they’re underperforming, whereas we’re stuck with train drivers who earn double the average national wage for working the equivalent of half a year… Are they fuck! OK, they do Constituency Work as well. Oh, here's the recess date: www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/They get half of April and then half of May off! 24/7, 365? My arse. Now, Soldiers, they are on 24/7 365 call, their starting salary is £23k once they have complete training. Of course the £91k for MPs does NOT factor in the additional costs of all the perks they get, for basically sitting and talking and then blaming the Civil Service, the Blob, or the Woke, when their incompetence finally shines through. Let's go the public and see who they think deserves £91k per year: Soldiers or MPs. Think we all know what the answer will be. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 8, 2024 20:12:32 GMT
What a pile of laughable shit. £60k for taking hundreds of lives in your hands every day is not much. Meanwhile MPs sit on leather all day, eat and drink themselves merry at bars we pay to subsidise, get us to buy a second house for them, then mess about on sexting apps, and we pay them £91 per annum. I'd say at that rate ASLEF Members are being well underpaid. All The Best MPs have to be voted in, and once they are, they’re on call 24/7 for 365 days a year. By that reckoning I wouldn’t begrudge paying them £180,000 a year basic. After all, there are only 650 of them and we can kick them out if they’re underperforming, whereas we’re stuck with train drivers who earn double the average national wage for working the equivalent of half a year… That just tells you that the National Average Wage is way too low, as evidenced by the Cost Of Living Crisis we have been in almost since the Tories took office. All The Best |
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Post by patman post on Apr 8, 2024 20:37:11 GMT
MPs have to be voted in, and once they are, they’re on call 24/7 for 365 days a year. By that reckoning I wouldn’t begrudge paying them £180,000 a year basic. After all, there are only 650 of them and we can kick them out if they’re underperforming, whereas we’re stuck with train drivers who earn double the average national wage for working the equivalent of half a year… Are they fuck! OK, they do Constituency Work as well. Oh, here's the recess date: www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/They get half of April and then half of May off! 24/7, 365? My arse. Now, Soldiers, they are on 24/7 365 call, their starting salary is £23k once they have complete training. Of course the £91k for MPs does NOT factor in the additional costs of all the perks they get, for basically sitting and talking and then blaming the Civil Service, the Blob, or the Woke, when their incompetence finally shines through. Let's go the public and see who they think deserves £91k per year: Soldiers or MPs. Think we all know what the answer will be. All The Best MPs don’t only work while the House of Commons is sitting, any more than football players and club staff only turn up on match days. Like MPs, the military choose their jobs. Often they get training in skills that they can bring into civilian life. if you’re dissatisfied with your MP’s performance you can complain and even campaign to get them replaced. On your earlier point about the responsibilities of Aslef drivers, I’m not convinced that they have any more responsibility than bus drivers… |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 8, 2024 21:23:27 GMT
On your earlier point about the responsibilities of Aslef drivers, I’m not convinced that they have any more responsibility than bus drivers… well they have actually got less - bus drivers have to decide what direction the bus goes in. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 8, 2024 21:30:24 GMT
On your earlier point about the responsibilities of Aslef drivers, I’m not convinced that they have any more responsibility than bus drivers… well they have actually got less - bus drivers have to decide what direction the bus goes in. And so can avoid potential problems in a way that Train / Tube drivers never can, so they have to be even more alert to the presence of such problems when they do occur, and have to use a much smaller set of options to protect their passengers. Swings and roundabouts really. As I pointed out earlier when it was mentioned that ASLEF Drivers earn approx. twice the national Average Wage; that doesn't mean they are overpaid, just that others are even more underpaid. We have a Cost Of living Crisis and increasing poverty unlike anything seen in my half-century lifetime; while at the opposite end of the scale fewer people now own more of the total global wealth than ever before in human history. These are political choices, choices made by politicians who have been bought and paid for by the very same small group of people who own more of the wealth than ever before. All The Best |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 8, 2024 23:55:47 GMT
On your earlier point about the responsibilities of Aslef drivers, I’m not convinced that they have any more responsibility than bus drivers… well they have actually got less - bus drivers have to decide what direction the bus goes in. LOL. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 9, 2024 6:49:04 GMT
I think that £90,000 a year is rather good money to drive a train where you are not responsible for where it goes just whether it stops and starts - and even then the train automatically stops if you fail to stop it when needed.
It is a job that can be easily automated (unlike driving a bus) and is only kept going by the strength of the Unions.
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 9, 2024 9:46:25 GMT
I think that £90,000 a year is rather good money to drive a train where you are not responsible for where it goes just whether it stops and starts - and even then the train automatically stops if you fail to stop it when needed. It is a job that can be easily automated (unlike driving a bus) and is only kept going by the strength of the Unions. Except it is MPs on £90k, and ASLEF Drivers on £60k. No wonder you constantly come to wrong conclusions, you start for wrong premises. All The Best |
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