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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 16:23:09 GMT
... The naysayers claim nationalisation is not an option because of the cost of doing it. But nationalisation is not just an option, but at a fair market price it is a totally viable one. But more than that, given that large-scale state investment in this industry is essential why should it be under the control of anyone but the state? Private ownership and discussions of mutual benefit companies make no sense. Now is the time for the N word to be rolled out.
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Post by patman post on Mar 30, 2024 17:01:41 GMT
Depends on the form of nationalisation. Run as a state-owned company, but without direct government management would stop different administrations manipulating and cutting funds whenever their popularity depended on cash injections into causes of more immediate concern to the public — I’m informed that’s what frequently happened to the railways, telephones, coal, etc.
The old Cable & Wireless might be a model set up…
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 17:36:16 GMT
Depends on the form of nationalisation. Run as a state-owned company, but without direct government management would stop different administrations manipulating and cutting funds whenever their popularity depended on cash injections into causes of more immediate concern to the public — I’m informed that’s what frequently happened to the railways, telephones, coal, etc. The old Cable & Wireless might be a model set up… This is a case in which the government should perhaps take a look at the Scottish and Welsh models. Scottish Water is a public company accountable to the Scottish government and Welsh Water, Glas Cymru, is run as a not for profit company. Yet Englands water is owned by companies from all over the world, Malaysia, China, Germany, UAE, Kuwait, Australia, JP Morgan, and no doubt others who's number one concern is obviously shareholders, not customers. Whether privatisation was the right way to go is a long argued over question, but that's the past. The question now is, should water which is not only a national asset but a strategic asset, be owned by foreign interests. Personally I think the time has come to renationalise. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 30, 2024 17:38:45 GMT
Agreed…
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Post by Vinny on Mar 30, 2024 17:55:42 GMT
Well, we're out of the EU so it's no longer subject to their market requirements. It's a possibility.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 30, 2024 18:16:50 GMT
Depends on the form of nationalisation. Run as a state-owned company, but without direct government management would stop different administrations manipulating and cutting funds whenever their popularity depended on cash injections into causes of more immediate concern to the public — I’m informed that’s what frequently happened to the railways, telephones, coal, etc. The old Cable & Wireless might be a model set up… You are describing the model of the Post Office...  |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 30, 2024 18:17:44 GMT
Depends on the form of nationalisation. Run as a state-owned company, but without direct government management would stop different administrations manipulating and cutting funds whenever their popularity depended on cash injections into causes of more immediate concern to the public — I’m informed that’s what frequently happened to the railways, telephones, coal, etc. The old Cable & Wireless might be a model set up… This is a case in which the government should perhaps take a look at the Scottish and Welsh models. Scottish Water is a public company accountable to the Scottish government and Welsh Water, Glas Cymru, is run as a not for profit company. Yet Englands water is owned by companies from all over the world, Malaysia, China, Germany, UAE, Kuwait, Australia, JP Morgan, and no doubt others who's number one concern is obviously shareholders, not customers. Whether privatisation was the right way to go is a long argued over question, but that's the past. The question now is, should water which is not only a national asset but a strategic asset, be owned by foreign interests. Personally I think the time has come to renationalise. what would improve? |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 30, 2024 18:19:44 GMT
Too true and long overdue.essential utilities shouldn’t be in private hands and certainly not foreign.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 18:20:05 GMT
Two people, so far, have voted against the proposition. It would be interesting to know why?..
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Post by wapentake on Mar 30, 2024 18:22:22 GMT
This is a case in which the government should perhaps take a look at the Scottish and Welsh models. Scottish Water is a public company accountable to the Scottish government and Welsh Water, Glas Cymru, is run as a not for profit company. Yet Englands water is owned by companies from all over the world, Malaysia, China, Germany, UAE, Kuwait, Australia, JP Morgan, and no doubt others who's number one concern is obviously shareholders, not customers. Whether privatisation was the right way to go is a long argued over question, but that's the past. The question now is, should water which is not only a national asset but a strategic asset, be owned by foreign interests. Personally I think the time has come to renationalise. what would improve? The taxpayer not subsidising foreign govts and investors dividends,if we're paying it should be owned by us and the post office doesn’t have to be the example to operate on. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 30, 2024 18:25:19 GMT
The taxpayer not subsidising foreign govts and investors dividends,if we're paying it should be owned by us and the post office doesn’t have to be the example to operate on. I was rather looking at what would improve for me the consumer if the taxpayer is going to spend vast sums on nationalisation. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 18:33:33 GMT
This is a case in which the government should perhaps take a look at the Scottish and Welsh models. Scottish Water is a public company accountable to the Scottish government and Welsh Water, Glas Cymru, is run as a not for profit company. Yet Englands water is owned by companies from all over the world, Malaysia, China, Germany, UAE, Kuwait, Australia, JP Morgan, and no doubt others who's number one concern is obviously shareholders, not customers. Whether privatisation was the right way to go is a long argued over question, but that's the past. The question now is, should water which is not only a national asset but a strategic asset, be owned by foreign interests. Personally I think the time has come to renationalise. what would improve? It seems to me there are two immediate benefits of state ownership, and I'm only talking about the water industry. Firstly, privatised industries work in the interests of shareholders not customers or consumers which is not particularly good for the consumer. Secondly, water is a strategic asset, people need water to survive. On that basis alone I would have thought it was in the best interests of the government to own it's own water. People who are pro privatisation (Of the water industry) always claim that privatisation brings investment and reduces pollution. Well all I can say to that is, the water industry in England after 30 years of privatisation is a towering advert for nationalisation. As far as the water industry is concerned, privatisation has failed. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 30, 2024 18:49:13 GMT
The taxpayer not subsidising foreign govts and investors dividends,if we're paying it should be owned by us and the post office doesn’t have to be the example to operate on. I was rather looking at what would improve for me the consumer if the taxpayer is going to spend vast sums on nationalisation. I already said in bold above add to that security of our essential utilities,should add to that the energy sector. |
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Post by borchester on Mar 30, 2024 19:01:03 GMT
Nope.
I can remember when water was rationed and we had standpipes in the streets, because the Waterboard had not dug the reservoirs deep enough or some such. It did not worry the civil servants in charge. They just carried on doing the same old crappy job as before.
What we need is more privatisation and more boards, the same as we have with the power companies. I have just told Shell Energy to fuck off because, well, sod it, I felt like it. I doubt that the next lot will be any better, but it is unlikely that it will be any worse and I could never do that with the Metropolitan Waterboard of not overly fond memory
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Post by patman post on Mar 30, 2024 19:10:23 GMT
Weren’t water and sewage charges separate at on time? I vaguely remember my Dad complaining about sewage charges being moved from where they were included — was that the old rates…?
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