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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 9:12:01 GMT
The nationalities of migrant groups with the highest crime rates are set to be revealed in a new 'league table', under plans which are being considered by Conservative ministers. Senior Tory MPs have reportedly backed the idea which would result in the rates of crime of all the nationalities of migrants to England and Wales being published each year. A report would be presented to Parliament every year by Government ministers which would detail the nationality, visa status and asylum status of all criminals convicted in the courts over preceding 12 months. This would be similar to policies implemented in some US states and in Denmark, where migrants from Kuwait, Tunisia, Lebanon and Somalia are more likely to commit crimes than Danish citizens. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13254217/Migrant-nationalities-crime-rates-Conservative-ministers.htmlGood idea. Why hide the nationality of the most prolific criminals, people should be told the truth. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 30, 2024 10:12:34 GMT
I saw this earlier and the first thought was that proggies will never stand for the truth about migrant crime to be made public.
A second thought was that it won't tell the full story anyway since some of the 'nationalities' with the greatest propensity for criminality are not officially considered as migrants, such as residents and citizens of Pakistani and Afro-Caribbean ancestry.
It would be far more illuminating to see crime rates by ethnicity.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 12:13:58 GMT
I tend to agree Dan. Many people would I'm sure agree that the nationality or ethnicity of criminals should be published, people should know who prolific offenders are. But when I read this story I thought to myself, thanks to the proggies you mention, this will never get off the ground. Even if it did, a Labour government would soon stop it. Personally I think this may have more to do with Jenrick setting out his bid to be next Tory leader.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 30, 2024 12:21:47 GMT
A very good idea, yes the Labour and Liberal Luvvies won't like it of course
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Post by patman post on Mar 30, 2024 19:06:07 GMT
On the face of it, seems reasonable — provided English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are also listed for comparison.
But I guess we all know how figures will be used/ interpreted…
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 19:28:17 GMT
On the face of it, seems reasonable — provided English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are also listed for comparison. But I guess we all know how figures will be used/ interpreted… Pat, it's got nothing to do with English, Northern Irish, Scottish or Welsh people. The proposed report that would be presented to Parliament every year by Government ministers would detail the nationalities of 'migrants' convicted of criminal offences over preceding 12 months. See OP. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Apr 2, 2024 7:17:03 GMT
You can get a rough idea of how over-represented in crime "ethnics" are by looking at the prison population. For example in the prison population, 27% identify as an ethnic minority, compared with 18% in the general population. That indicates that ethnics are 50% more likely to commit crime. In the case of immigrants and foreign nationals Albanians are the worst offenders making up 13.4% of the prison population (with Polish a 8.2%, Romainians at 8% and the Irish at 6%). It would be interesting to know the breakdown of Paks or muslims but I suspect it won't reflect reality because the police are afraid of arresting them.
But I wonder if the proggies will even care. You can tell the likes of dopy that 90% of terrorism is perpetrated by muslims and he'll just say so what. Not ALL muslims are terrorists. Until ALL of our prison population are "ethnics" it's irrelevant to him. And even then it probably wouldn't matter until ALL ethnics are in jail. And even then he'd probably blame racism.
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Post by Dan Dare on Apr 2, 2024 8:41:34 GMT
On the face of it, seems reasonable — provided English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are also listed for comparison. But I guess we all know how figures will be used/ interpreted… I don't believe criminal justice statistics are kept with such granularity, but it would be good to have White British distinguished from 'White Other' which isn't always the case.
As far as I'm aware there are currently nineteen officially identified ethnic groups, including White:British; the others are:
Bangladeshi, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Other Asian, African, Caribbean, Other Black, Mixed White and Asian, Mixed White and Black African, Mixed White and Black Caribbean, Other Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups, White Irish, Gypsy or Irish Traveller, Roma, Other White, Arab, Any other ethnic group
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 6, 2024 17:32:52 GMT
Slightly related. Rapes in Bournemouth started increasing rapidly from 2014 - coincidence that in 2014 Bournemouth started to host large numbers of asylum seekers?  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 6, 2024 19:22:56 GMT
Yay diversity ^. I don't know the area myself, but my ex wife tells me some areas of Bournemouth are unrecognisable compared to what they were as little as ten years ago.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 6, 2024 19:25:31 GMT
On the face of it, seems reasonable — provided English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh are also listed for comparison. But I guess we all know how figures will be used/ interpreted… I don't believe criminal justice statistics are kept with such granularity, but it would be good to have White British distinguished from 'White Other' which isn't always the case.
As far as I'm aware there are currently nineteen officially identified ethnic groups, including White:British; the others are:
Bangladeshi, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Other Asian, African, Caribbean, Other Black, Mixed White and Asian, Mixed White and Black African, Mixed White and Black Caribbean, Other Mixed or Multiple ethnic groups, White Irish, Gypsy or Irish Traveller, Roma, Other White, Arab, Any other ethnic group
The resident SNATs are going to be very disappointed. |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 7, 2024 10:02:18 GMT
You only have to look at our prison population to know who the criminals are BAME are over represented by some margin with 27% of inmates (13% population) compared to White British 71% of inmates (81% population)
Of the Foreign nationalities only Eastern Europeans come top of the list Albanians top followed by Poles and Romanians .
Islamics 17.7% (6.5% Pop) are the only religious group with a significant lop sided number of inmates ,others are inline with the population
(Source wiki )
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 7, 2024 16:45:21 GMT
You can get a rough idea of how over-represented in crime "ethnics" are by looking at the prison population. For example in the prison population, 27% identify as an ethnic minority, compared with 18% in the general population. That indicates that ethnics are 50% more likely to commit crime. Er ... No it does not indicate that
If the prison population holds a greater percentage of individials of a particular classification than the population not in prison, then all we know for certain is that there is a mismatch in the ethnic makeup of those who were found after arrest, charge, trial and conviction for a criminal offence to be deserving of a custodial sentence There are myriad reasons for that.
While you and I both know the real reason is indeed the buggers are more criminally oriented than our own, or more inclined to do things that warrant being banged up for it, we have to give the david lammy's of this world the opportunity to proclaim this abberation is actually down to our entire criminal justice system from beat bobby to supreme court judge is institutionally racist, even though it plainly isn't because if it were then we would long, long ago have orchestrated some manner by which this racist git could be banged up for over twelve months so as to deny him the ability to mouth off in the house of commons ever again
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 7, 2024 17:57:17 GMT
The nationalities of migrant groups with the highest crime rates are set to be revealed in a new 'league table', under plans which are being considered by Conservative ministers. Senior Tory MPs have reportedly backed the idea which would result in the rates of crime of all the nationalities of migrants to England and Wales being published each year. A report would be presented to Parliament every year by Government ministers which would detail the nationality, visa status and asylum status of all criminals convicted in the courts over preceding 12 months. This would be similar to policies implemented in some US states and in Denmark, where migrants from Kuwait, Tunisia, Lebanon and Somalia are more likely to commit crimes than Danish citizens. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13254217/Migrant-nationalities-crime-rates-Conservative-ministers.htmlGood idea. Why hide the nationality of the most prolific criminals, people should be told the truth. I heard about the Denmark publication a short while back and passed on the data. It makes interesting reading. I'm so glad someone has taken the initiative to do the same here. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 30, 2024 21:51:37 GMT
seems it not just the UK who has a problem with migrant crime..
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