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Post by jaydee on Mar 28, 2024 8:22:44 GMT
Some 72% of England's water is owned by shareholders based in 17 foreign countries. At least another 10% is controlled by companies based in the UK, with 18% unaccounted for. This is not just about foreign involvement but also about a lack of accountability. English water companies have handed more than £2bn a year on average to shareholders since they were privatised three decades ago, according to analysis for the Guardian. The payouts in dividends to shareholders of parent companies between 1991 and 2019 amount to £57bn – nearly half the sum they spent on maintaining and improving the country’s pipes and treatment plants in that period. That is now around £65 billion. Water companies in England have faced a barrage of criticism as data revealed raw sewage was discharged for more than 3.6million hours into rivers and seas last year in a 105% increase on the previous 12 months.The scale of the discharges of untreated waste made 2023 the worst year for storm water pollution. Early data seen by the Guardian put the scale of discharges at more than 4 million hours, but officials said the figures were an early estimate. Every river in England is polluted with raw sewage. The Liberal Democrat leader, Ed Davey, said the scandal of raw sewage pouring into waterways should be declared a national environmental emergency. He called on the government to convene an urgent meeting of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) to look at the impact of sewage pollution on people’s health.Total discharges from the 14,000 storm overflows owned by English water companies that release untreated sewage into rivers and coastal waters increased by 54% to 464,056, according to data submitted to the Environment Agency by the industry. Boat organisers have warned rowers to not enter the water on safety grounds after high levels of E coli bacteria were found on the River Thames course The new safety guidance could see the end of the traditional celebration for the winning team, where team members jump into the river and the cox gets a ducking. The 78th women’s race and 169th men’s race are still due to take place this weekend. Last year, Cambridge men’s cox Jasper Parish was thrown into the Thames at Mortlake, as is the tradition at the end of the race. But a repeat is now unlikely after the River Action campaign group found an average of 2,869 E coli colony-forming units (CFU) per 100ml of water in 16 tests around Hammersmith Bridge. inews.co.uk/news/environment/sewage-spills-more-than-double-record-4m-in-2023-2977099www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2022/nov/30/englands-water-the-worlds-piggy-bank#:~:text=Guardian%20research%20has%20found%20that,about%20a%20lack%20of%20accountability.
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Post by om15 on Mar 28, 2024 8:43:54 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 28, 2024 8:48:35 GMT
"The Liberal Democrat leader, Ed Davey, said the scandal of raw sewage pouring into waterways should be declared a national environmental emergency."Indeed - the LibDems have their fingers on the pulse...
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Post by Handyman on Mar 28, 2024 9:02:53 GMT
Same in Wales
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 28, 2024 9:25:09 GMT
When we build all these houses we are said to need for our growing population nobody it seems is responsible for increasing the capacity for any of the infrastructure .Be it school places ,GP surgeries or indeed working out how to get more shit down a 4" pipe to the treatment works . Until they sort it out we should stop building and slam the door shut to immigration ,either that or prescribe the nation Imodium
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2024 15:11:15 GMT
The Greens are just another far-left party for mass-immigration, which supports filling the rivers with piss and shit and steamrolling over nature. It's all they care about, so if anyone is concerned about this I'm sorry to say there is nobody who gives a damn about the environmental damage.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2024 15:24:31 GMT
Actual drinking water doesn't have excrement in it . The old duffer needs to see either see someone about his scatology fetish or provide evidence that there is actual human excrement found in DRINKING WATER.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 28, 2024 15:35:15 GMT
When we build all these houses we are said to need for our growing population nobody it seems is responsible for increasing the capacity for any of the infrastructure .Be it school places ,GP surgeries or indeed working out how to get more shit down a 4" pipe to the treatment works . Until they sort it out we should stop building and slam the door shut to immigration ,either that or prescribe the nation Imodium The water table is low in parts of the south, some Councils have been refusing to allow estates in some areas as there is not enough water, they need to create more reservoirs first, we use billions of litres in the UK every day, the larger the population gets the more we will consume, we need more treatment plants as well more land needed for that. Thousands of miles of old Victorian sewers and water pipes need replacing its a never ending job that IMO will take many years to do, Desalination plants needed as well
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2024 15:56:29 GMT
Afaik there are plans for desalination plants in Essex and ( maybe ) Suffolk. It was in the regional news a few days ago
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Post by patman post on Mar 28, 2024 16:15:10 GMT
When we build all these houses we are said to need for our growing population nobody it seems is responsible for increasing the capacity for any of the infrastructure .Be it school places ,GP surgeries or indeed working out how to get more shit down a 4" pipe to the treatment works . Until they sort it out we should stop building and slam the door shut to immigration ,either that or prescribe the nation Imodium The water table is low in parts of the south, some Councils have been refusing to allow estates in some areas as there is not enough water, they need to create more reservoirs first, we use billions of litres in the UK every day, the larger the population gets the more we will consume, we need more treatment plants as well more land needed for that. Thousands of miles of old Victorian sewers and water pipes need replacing its a never ending job that IMO will take many years to do, Desalination plants needed as well Yet housing is still built on flood plains that require the water to be drained off before it’s allowed to replenish natural and artificial reservoirs. Doesn’t look like joined up thinking is the strong point of planners. Even so, it’s the sewage and waste treatment that’s today’s problem. Why hasn’t it become a national priority that the current water cos are made to pay for? Diverting the dividends and the bonuses the water cos pay out, into funding clean up schemes for two or three years could go a long way to solving the problem…
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2024 16:20:02 GMT
And Torbay on turd....
EDIT..... Torbay hit by sewage pollution alert after heavy rain Warnings were also put in place across many other beaches across Devon and beyond.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2024 16:22:51 GMT
Across Torbay's coast, raw sewage was discharged into the ocean for thousands of hours in 2023. South West Water's pollution record has deteriorated even further this year, the latest Environment Agency data has revealed.....
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2024 16:25:12 GMT
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 28, 2024 17:48:05 GMT
The water table is low in parts of the south, some Councils have been refusing to allow estates in some areas as there is not enough water, they need to create more reservoirs first, we use billions of litres in the UK every day, the larger the population gets the more we will consume, we need more treatment plants as well more land needed for that. Thousands of miles of old Victorian sewers and water pipes need replacing its a never ending job that IMO will take many years to do, Desalination plants needed as well Yet housing is still built on flood plains that require the water to be drained off before it’s allowed to replenish natural and artificial reservoirs. Doesn’t look like joined up thinking is the strong point of planners. Even so, it’s the sewage and waste treatment that’s today’s problem. Why hasn’t it become a national priority that the current water cos are made to pay for? Diverting the dividends and the bonuses the water cos pay out, into funding clean up schemes for two or three years could go a long way to solving the problem… The obvious solution is to divert rainwater out of the waste pipes even if that means local flooding . I believe a lot of streams have been piped up over the years to create more building land and rainwater with nowhere to go diverted into waste water systems . The whole planning of this has been a fail and with the increasing rains (that have been long predicted) a double fail But it can be fixed ,as you say every penny the water companies make has to be spent on doing so not paying dividends until it is . There are votes in it for any party with plans to get to grips with the problem
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Post by Handyman on Mar 28, 2024 19:19:25 GMT
The water table is low in parts of the south, some Councils have been refusing to allow estates in some areas as there is not enough water, they need to create more reservoirs first, we use billions of litres in the UK every day, the larger the population gets the more we will consume, we need more treatment plants as well more land needed for that. Thousands of miles of old Victorian sewers and water pipes need replacing its a never ending job that IMO will take many years to do, Desalination plants needed as well Yet housing is still built on flood plains that require the water to be drained off before it’s allowed to replenish natural and artificial reservoirs. Doesn’t look like joined up thinking is the strong point of planners. Even so, it’s the sewage and waste treatment that’s today’s problem. Why hasn’t it become a national priority that the current water cos are made to pay for? Diverting the dividends and the bonuses the water cos pay out, into funding clean up schemes for two or three years could go a long way to solving the problem… We need all this work to be done to supply water across the UK to meet demand which is rising all the time due to the size of the population and to manage the increase in effluent as well. It does not cheap its either done by Private Company's with Investors money, or more public money taxpayers money, this problem will not be solved in two or three years its a huge project Investors in Thames Water and pulling some of their money out. ,Thames Water have put in miles and miles of new pipes and sewage pipes in London and still much more to do, and right across the UK , there is no quick fix IMO
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