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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2024 11:20:55 GMT
The thing is, victim blaming also enables and empowers violence. When the cardinal sin in all this is an 'offensive' lesson, rather than the intimidation and threatening behaviour that ran the bloke out of town then you know you live in a time and society where it's Alice through the looking glass. I should be able to walk around Fitzrovia wearing a £50,000 watch, but if I do and it gets violently ripped off my wrist I’ll be thought stupid for not being aware of the danger and taking proper care… Yes, it is sensible to take into account the possibility of criminal elements in society, such as radical Islamists. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 26, 2024 11:34:47 GMT
wapentake Isn't that the whole crux of all of my posts in this thread and others like it, the lack of a level playing field ? This thread is no more than a re-run of the one a few months ago relating to Muslim school kids in France being forced to look at paintings of nudes. My point, which I'll make one final attempt at making, is that if it's the sensitivities of a Jewish kid in hospital, then those in Authority (Government employees in all cases NHS or Batley Grammar) should change their approach to accommodate the child and his parents wishes. If it's Drag Queen story time, the School should be forced to change because the kids, but mostly the parents are unhappy with the situation. If it's unisex toilets and 'transgirls' are permitted, then again the School should change the situation because our daughters are unhappy with lads dressed in skirts being in the same area, and the parents share that unhappiness. Yet what an about face the moment it's Muslim children that are unhappy .... then it's a 180 degree change of direction and we're straight into RR's you'll get what you're given and like it, or sod off to Pakistan ! You will look at the nudes in the book .... you will look at the Charlie Hebdo caricatures of Muhammad. The staggeringly different approach that's clearly favoured here by the majority, dependent on whether the upset kids are Muslim or non-Muslim is clear enough for a blind man to see. If it's the latter, bend over backwards to address their issues, if it's the former compel them to accept or tell them to get out of the country. The concerns of one set of kids and their parents anguished over, the concerns of the other set of kids to be trampled underfoot. Tackle and eradicate that first and most importantly. Freedom of the Press, democracy, what a state school should teach, does one religion trump another etc etc ? ..... all interesting subjects for debate in the classroom and for the forum .... but if it's to be conducted on a foundation of double standards, don't be surprised if more Batley style anger gets stoked up. Whether it’s your final effort or not is irrelevant that’s up to you,you are operating the double standards here. Tell us all how many teachers who have been teaching the merits of transgenderism have been threatened with extreme violence,forced out of their employment had to change their name and residence to ensure their and their families safety? |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 26, 2024 11:45:17 GMT
Red Rackham There might be threads in which you could justifiably make that argument RR, but did you think that insisting the Muslim kids look at the paintings of nudes was tip-toeing around their delicate sensibilities. Was bringing the Charlie Hebdo caricature of Muhammad tip-toeing or planting a size 10 boot on the sensibilities of the Muslim kids and their parents ... is telling them to get out of the classroom (rather than getting out of the Country) the best way of explaining or teaching ? (Incidentally I've always held your opinion in high regard, and having spent a little more than usual on a couple of shirts last week, I recalled your advice and paid particular attention to the collars. I'm very pleased with them)  |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 26, 2024 12:07:05 GMT
wapentake
To be certain I give an accurate answer, I don't want to get those Teachers advocating for an acceptance of transgenderism mixed up with those who teach its merits. So perhaps you could give a quick outline of the merits of transgenderism so that I know what falls within your preferred category ?
By the way, if I recall correctly from reading the link to Daily Express report, this guy at most needn't have moved house for more than a month or so, and as for changing his name ... what a Drama Queen ....talk about delicate sensibilities ...... as explained, Batley has moved on, they've no doubt had a proper RE teacher for years, he and his Charlie Hebdo antics are old news ....... 'even if he was to come back to Batley, I can assure you that his life would not be in danger.We’ve all moved on, everything is calm and has been settled after the initial furore. It’s a shame that the teacher concerned did not have the confidence to allow a mediated return to work'.
I reckon he's dried his tears by now, and is working as a shelf-stacker in a Tesco store in Leeds. He's only remembered by a couple of tabloids, who have a diary card they bring out annually as they know their readership love indulging in a bit of Muslim baiting.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 26, 2024 12:27:41 GMT
wapentake To be certain I give an accurate answer, I don't want to get those Teachers advocating for an acceptance of transgenderism mixed up with those who teach its merits. So perhaps you could give a quick outline of the merits of transgenderism so that I know what falls within your preferred category ? Well if you could come up with the figures for both that would be nice  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 12:30:18 GMT
Red Rackham There might be threads in which you could justifiably make that argument RR, but did you think that insisting the Muslim kids look at the paintings of nudes was tip-toeing around their delicate sensibilities. Was bringing the Charlie Hebdo caricature of Muhammad tip-toeing or planting a size 10 boot on the sensibilities of the Muslim kids and their parents ... is telling them to get out of the classroom (rather than getting out of the Country) the best way of explaining or teaching ? (Incidentally I've always held your opinion in high regard, and having spent a little more than usual on a couple of shirts last week, I recalled your advice and paid particular attention to the collars. I'm very pleased with them) Do you think the kids really objected or do you think it was stroppy parents some of whom make little or no attempt to rub along or to integrate because they don't have to, who suddenly decided that renaissance art is blasphemous. It's ridiculous. Ref the arguably more important issue of shirts: I'm pleased you pay attention to shirt collars, more people should. A smart well fitting shirt collar with or without a tie says a lot about the person, imo. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 26, 2024 21:08:35 GMT
Red Rackham There might be threads in which you could justifiably make that argument RR, but did you think that insisting the Muslim kids look at the paintings of nudes was tip-toeing around their delicate sensibilities. Was bringing the Charlie Hebdo caricature of Muhammad tip-toeing or planting a size 10 boot on the sensibilities of the Muslim kids and their parents ... is telling them to get out of the classroom (rather than getting out of the Country) the best way of explaining or teaching ? (Incidentally I've always held your opinion in high regard, and having spent a little more than usual on a couple of shirts last week, I recalled your advice and paid particular attention to the collars. I'm very pleased with them) The question is how can one teach a uniform and curriculum subject if one has to consider the niceties of pupils individually. Art in the Western Context has many nudes and art in terms of figure drawing demands a nude figure to get all the parts in proper proportion and the muscles correct. If Muslim pupils cannot look at nudes then they cannot be taught with any degree of equality with their peers. The idea is that young minds should be enquiring minds, if we close off many avenues where enquiry is encouraged such as art, history and Evolutionary theory then the encouragement of enquiring minds is effectively stymied. The point about leaving the classroom was to pander to their sensibilities and those of their parents so I am not clear why the anger in the first instance. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 27, 2024 20:11:05 GMT
Teacher in hiding two years after death threats over showing cartoon of prophet MohammedAfter showing pupils the cartoon at Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire in March 2021, parents and activists protested at the school gates for days. The teacher was forced to flee his home in Batley with his partner and four young children and since then has been living in a secret location outside the Yorkshire area, reports claim. The teacher, who was head of RE at Batley Grammar, has also been given a new identity. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1743624/Teacher-in-hiding-prophet-Mohammed-cartoon-Batley-Grammar-School-West-YorkshireJust listened to someone on GB News who is in contact with this teacher who said he was a broken man, his life is wrecked. He has been abandoned by his employer and the people who demonstrated and sent death threats have been completely ignored by the police, because they're Muslims. And some people say we do not have two tier policing in this country. In todays Media . GB News presenter Martin Daubney has furiously defended the former Batley Grammar School teacher who was forced into hiding in 2021, as the school has responded to a Government report on extremism in the UK. Dame Sara Khan, who wrote the report, claimed the incident has "not just impacted him, it's impacted his family and his children". Khan told GB News on Tuesday: "As I write in the report, he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder because of what happened to him at the time of the incident, which is exactly three years ago today." Warning that rising hate crime could "erode our freedoms", Khan said the Batley school incident was "totally and utterly unacceptable". In a letter obtained by GB News, Batley Grammar School's Chief Executive Officer Sam Vickers and Headteacher John Hughes responded to the report, saying they were "disappointed" by Khan's findings. The letter, sent to all parents of pupils at the school, stated: "This disappointment is because we do not recognise so much of what is in it, because we do not recognise the description of what's happened, and because we do not recognise the characterisation of the school and our community." |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 27, 2024 20:16:42 GMT
France has serious problems as well they have a larger Muslim population than here, in todays Media
There is indignation in France after the headteacher of a Paris school resigned because of fears for his life.
The head was sent death threats after he insisted that a teenage girl remove her Islamic head-covering inside the school, in accordance with French law.
His name has not been made public. Two people, who had no link with the school, have been detained.
The Islamist threat to French schools is taken extremely seriously since the murders of two teachers.
Samuel Paty was decapitated on the street in a Paris suburb in 2020 and Dominique Bernard was killed at his school in Arras five months ago.
The Paris school headteacher announced his decision in an email sent on Friday to colleagues at the Maurice Ravel Lycée in the 20th district of Paris.
"I have finally taken the decision to quit my functions," he explained, "out of concern for my own safety and that of the establishment."
"I leave after seven years, rich and intense, spent at your side, and after 45 years in public education," he wrote, thanking his colleagues for the support they had shown him over the past three weeks.
In the incident, which took place on 28 February, the head told three female pupils they should obey the law by removing their head coverings.
Two complied, but the third did not and there was an altercation.
In the days that followed, the head was the object of death threats on social media, which were signalled by the school to an interior ministry hotline.
Police were sent to patrol around the school, which also received a visit from Education Minister Nicole Belloubet.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 27, 2024 20:34:57 GMT
Teacher in hiding two years after death threats over showing cartoon of prophet MohammedAfter showing pupils the cartoon at Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire in March 2021, parents and activists protested at the school gates for days. The teacher was forced to flee his home in Batley with his partner and four young children and since then has been living in a secret location outside the Yorkshire area, reports claim. The teacher, who was head of RE at Batley Grammar, has also been given a new identity. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1743624/Teacher-in-hiding-prophet-Mohammed-cartoon-Batley-Grammar-School-West-YorkshireJust listened to someone on GB News who is in contact with this teacher who said he was a broken man, his life is wrecked. He has been abandoned by his employer and the people who demonstrated and sent death threats have been completely ignored by the police, because they're Muslims. And some people say we do not have two tier policing in this country. In todays Media . GB News presenter Martin Daubney has furiously defended the former Batley Grammar School teacher who was forced into hiding in 2021, as the school has responded to a Government report on extremism in the UK. Dame Sara Khan, who wrote the report, claimed the incident has "not just impacted him, it's impacted his family and his children". Khan told GB News on Tuesday: "As I write in the report, he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder because of what happened to him at the time of the incident, which is exactly three years ago today." Warning that rising hate crime could "erode our freedoms", Khan said the Batley school incident was "totally and utterly unacceptable". In a letter obtained by GB News, Batley Grammar School's Chief Executive Officer Sam Vickers and Headteacher John Hughes responded to the report, saying they were "disappointed" by Khan's findings. The letter, sent to all parents of pupils at the school, stated: "This disappointment is because we do not recognise so much of what is in it, because we do not recognise the description of what's happened, and because we do not recognise the characterisation of the school and our community." We need hundreds of thousands of Muslims like her. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 28, 2024 8:32:11 GMT
France has serious problems as well they have a larger Muslim population than here, in todays Media There is indignation in France after the headteacher of a Paris school resigned because of fears for his life. The head was sent death threats after he insisted that a teenage girl remove her Islamic head-covering inside the school, in accordance with French law.His name has not been made public. Two people, who had no link with the school, have been detained. The Islamist threat to French schools is taken extremely seriously since the murders of two teachers. Samuel Paty was decapitated on the street in a Paris suburb in 2020 and Dominique Bernard was killed at his school in Arras five months ago. The Paris school headteacher announced his decision in an email sent on Friday to colleagues at the Maurice Ravel Lycée in the 20th district of Paris. "I have finally taken the decision to quit my functions," he explained, "out of concern for my own safety and that of the establishment." "I leave after seven years, rich and intense, spent at your side, and after 45 years in public education," he wrote, thanking his colleagues for the support they had shown him over the past three weeks. In the incident, which took place on 28 February, the head told three female pupils they should obey the law by removing their head coverings. Two complied, but the third did not and there was an altercation. In the days that followed, the head was the object of death threats on social media, which were signalled by the school to an interior ministry hotline. Police were sent to patrol around the school, which also received a visit from Education Minister Nicole Belloubet. I suppose some will blame him too,if it’s the law it’s the law France is trying to operate as a secular state. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 28, 2024 9:56:09 GMT
wapentake
I can't see why anyone should. Surely all French School teachers are equally obliged to follow the law, and the ultimate responsibility for bad and divisive laws should rest with those who legislated for them, not upon those put into the difficult position of implementing such laws guaranteed to stir up ill will.
A totally different situation, compared for instance, with one rogue teacher who suffers an aberration and voluntarily decides to find out the extent of the displeasure he might cause by turning up to class brandishing a copy of Charlie Hebdo and confronting his Muslim pupils with it.
Voluntarism v Compulsion demanded by law ...... Chalk and cheese situations.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 28, 2024 11:10:58 GMT
The French are now taking action against the Schoolgirl who refused to remove her hijab, good
The French prime minister has said a teenage girl will be sued by the state for falsely accusing her school headteacher of hitting her after she was asked to remove her hijab.
“The state… will always stand with these officials, those who are on the frontline faced with these breaches of secularism, these attempts of Islamist entryism in our education establishments,” Gabriel Attal said on the TF1 television channel.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2024 11:41:47 GMT
The French are now taking action against the Schoolgirl who refused to remove her hijab, good The French prime minister has said a teenage girl will be sued by the state for falsely accusing her school headteacher of hitting her after she was asked to remove her hijab. “The state… will always stand with these officials, those who are on the frontline faced with these breaches of secularism, these attempts of Islamist entryism in our education establishments,” Gabriel Attal said on the TF1 television channel. It should be the same here in the UK Handy. If the mossie arseholes are not adjusting to our rules they should be told to fuck off..... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 28, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
Teacher in hiding two years after death threats over showing cartoon of prophet MohammedAfter showing pupils the cartoon at Batley Grammar School in West Yorkshire in March 2021, parents and activists protested at the school gates for days. The teacher was forced to flee his home in Batley with his partner and four young children and since then has been living in a secret location outside the Yorkshire area, reports claim. The teacher, who was head of RE at Batley Grammar, has also been given a new identity. www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1743624/Teacher-in-hiding-prophet-Mohammed-cartoon-Batley-Grammar-School-West-YorkshireJust listened to someone on GB News who is in contact with this teacher who said he was a broken man, his life is wrecked. He has been abandoned by his employer and the people who demonstrated and sent death threats have been completely ignored by the police, because they're Muslims. And some people say we do not have two tier policing in this country. In todays Media . GB News presenter Martin Daubney has furiously defended the former Batley Grammar School teacher who was forced into hiding in 2021, as the school has responded to a Government report on extremism in the UK. Dame Sara Khan, who wrote the report, claimed the incident has "not just impacted him, it's impacted his family and his children". Khan told GB News on Tuesday: "As I write in the report, he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder because of what happened to him at the time of the incident, which is exactly three years ago today." Warning that rising hate crime could "erode our freedoms", Khan said the Batley school incident was "totally and utterly unacceptable". In a letter obtained by GB News, Batley Grammar School's Chief Executive Officer Sam Vickers and Headteacher John Hughes responded to the report, saying they were "disappointed" by Khan's findings. The letter, sent to all parents of pupils at the school, stated: "This disappointment is because we do not recognise so much of what is in it, because we do not recognise the description of what's happened, and because we do not recognise the characterisation of the school and our community." Yes I watched it H, I suspect other broadcasters declined to mention it. |
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