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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 26, 2024 0:17:18 GMT
It reads like 'you cited' rather than the School cited to me. I've solely been giving my own opinion on the dismally bad way this so called Teacher interacted with his class on this occasion .... if anyone wants to debate the rights and wrongs of what the School's opinion was, that's a separate subject which others are welcome to indulge in. Given they employed this Guy as Head of Religious Education ... well, let's hope they've taken a serious look at their Teacher Recruitment process in light of this debacle.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 26, 2024 0:24:02 GMT
It reads like 'you cited' rather than the School cited to me. I've solely been giving my own opinion on the dismally bad way this so called Teacher interacted with his class on this occasion .... if anyone wants to debate the rights and wrongs of what the School's opinion was, that's a separate subject which others are welcome to indulge in. Given they employed this Guy as Head of Religious Education ... well, let's hope they've taken a serious look at their Teacher Recruitment process in light of this debacle. Debate the rights and wrongs of the schools opinion is a separate subject,you mean like bringing me in to a totally separate thread on a Jewish schoolboy I hadn’t posted in to this thread,classic.  |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 26, 2024 0:45:26 GMT
Hey, I didn't force you to click the link, it was a polite invitation, as I was convinced your contribution would have improved a stridently one - sided thread ...... talk about ungrateful. However, if we really must move on to discussing what this discredited School was putting out at the time, by all means provide a link so we can read it, and I'm sure we'll soon all be citing left, right, and centre. However, I've a feeling that the conclusion will still be that this Teacher was hoist by his own copy of Charlie Hebdo ....which he's now got plenty of time to enjoy, most probably well away from devout Muslims and any classroom.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 26, 2024 1:36:48 GMT
Hey, I didn't force you to click the link, it was a polite invitation, as I was convinced your contribution would have improved a stridently one - sided thread ...... talk about ungrateful. However, if we really must move on to discussing what this discredited School was putting out at the time, by all means provide a link so we can read it, and I'm sure we'll soon all be citing left, right, and centre. However, I've a feeling that the conclusion will still be that this Teacher was hoist by his own copy of Charlie Hebdo ....which he's now got plenty of time to enjoy, most probably well away from devout Muslims and any classroom. And mine was a polite invitation to consider the schools defence,that and the fact that if you expect the right to worship within the law(and I do) then you must accept others rights to an opinion even if it challenges your religious beliefs and I don’t understand people unable to grasp that concept. Do you really believe a state school shouldn’t educate that in a democracy your opinions religious or otherwise don’t trump another’s else you end up with crowds bent on violence and those educating in hiding and in fear all over again. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 26, 2024 2:14:56 GMT
Rubbish. If somebody gets it occasionally wrong it isn't "tough" to the extent that that are forced to flea their home, job and identity for something that doesn't even break the law. What a load of nonsense you speak. You've just said teaching is a hard job, so it cannot be "tough" if a teacher gets it occasionally wrong. They should be able to safely learn from that and continue on in their work so long as they have broken the law. Not sure what you’re on about in all that verbiage — perhaps there’s a few negatives and qualifiers missing — but some mistakes cannot be overlooked and the perp has to look for another job. From my position of absolutely no first-hand knowledge of the Batley Grammar affair I’d say this is just such a case. I wish him well, and hope others learn from this situation… He isn't a perpetrator, and was offered his job back. So this small mistake was overlooked once common sense prevailed. In fact, the government's independent adviser for social cohesion and conflict, Dame Sara Khan has practically described your position to a Tee after her review of the Batley School case: Patman post, did you handle the Batley Grammar School case which has been rightly criticised, by chance? www.theguardian.com/education/2024/mar/25/teachers-facing-threats-and-harassment-at-work-offered-a-lifeline-in-official-report |
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Post by Dogburger on Mar 26, 2024 6:58:07 GMT
Rubbish. If somebody gets it occasionally wrong it isn't "tough" to the extent that that are forced to flea their home, job and identity for something that doesn't even break the law. What a load of nonsense you speak. You've just said teaching is a hard job, so it cannot be "tough" if a teacher gets it occasionally wrong. They should be able to safely learn from that and continue on in their work so long as they have broken the law. Not sure what you’re on about in all that verbiage — perhaps there’s a few negatives and qualifiers missing — but some mistakes cannot be overlooked and the perp has to look for another job. From my position of absolutely no first-hand knowledge of the Batley Grammar affair I’d say this is just such a case. I wish him well, and hope others learn from this situation… Why do you assume he has made a mistake ? Teaching is more than learning facts ,its about pupils exploring thinking and giving fuel to expanding minds . To blame the teacher for the actions of those with closed minds ,in this case some of the Muslim community . The school should have backed him and anyone making threats arrested .Why we bend over backward to accommodate people who practice the worst of this stone age religion is beyond me |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 26, 2024 8:02:09 GMT
Not sure what you’re on about in all that verbiage — perhaps there’s a few negatives and qualifiers missing — but some mistakes cannot be overlooked and the perp has to look for another job. From my position of absolutely no first-hand knowledge of the Batley Grammar affair I’d say this is just such a case. I wish him well, and hope others learn from this situation… Why do you assume he has made a mistake ? Teaching is more than learning facts ,its about pupils exploring thinking and giving fuel to expanding minds . To blame the teacher for the actions of those with closed minds ,in this case some of the Muslim community . The school should have backed him and anyone making threats arrested .Why we bend over backward to accommodate people who practice the worst of this stone age religion is beyond me I agree the Teacher did not make a mistake , if I recall correctly it was a lesson on religion and he told the class that he was going to show images of Allah and that any pupil that did not wish to remain in class could leave, one Muslim pupil stayed in the classroom then went home to tell his Dad and that is how the Protest started. Some Muslims went to the home of the Teacher and allegedly threats were made, bearing in mind a French Teacher was murdered for doing something similar he was put to the sword as the Koran teaches should happen to nonbelievers. The Education Department did little if anything to protect the Teacher IMO, the School did nothing they told him to go on leave , the Muslim Clerics did not do much either IMHO , did nothing, had the Teacher stayed the Police could not protect him 24/7 that is why he went into hiding with his family. We are too lenient by all means follow the Teachings of Allah , but control your congregation especially new arrivals you are not in Muslim country if you don't like it feck off out of it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 8:57:54 GMT
Personally, I would have thought that anyone with enough brains to be a teacher should have been able to recognise the likely religion of pupils in their class, and the possible opinions of parents and guardians. “Why should they?” you might say. But as a loyal viewer of GBNews, you must surely realise that logic and sense seldom guides those who pontificate on what they consider the important items in the news… My thoughts on this are very straight forward: this is not an Islamic country, if Muslims don't like the way we do things they should be encouraged to sod off to Pakistan or Saudi or some other backward Islamic shit tip. I'm sick to death of the government and police ignoring aggressive Muslims who demand someone should be killed for 'offending' them. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 9:27:25 GMT
I've mentioned this before Pat...
...I will never forget getting of that aircraft in Dhahran, we were read the riot act... you are Christians in an Islamic country, you must at all times respect Islamic laws customs traditions way of life etc etc... the list of do's & don'ts was extensive, particularly the list of don'ts.
Later when I eventually got back to England I saw the police meekly looking on as Muslims in this Christian country aggressively demonstrated and demanded that sharia will dominate the world and blasphemers should be beheaded.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 26, 2024 9:52:01 GMT
Arrest and deport all those who issued threats, and if they're British citizens make them stateless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2024 10:07:33 GMT
This is Britain in the 21st Century - do you really think that teachers should be forced to moderate their teaching to accommodate the lunatic beliefs of the violent followers of a 7th Century sect? Where are the Police? The fact that the cartoon in question had already resulted in killings in a capital city only 300 miles from London should, I think not unreasonably, have alerted any sensible teacher of the current danger of displaying it in class — even supposing the motivation was one of education and information. As for the Police — there’s not even enough honest ones to patrol the streets to protect scantily-clad drunken women, let alone guard every school… It was taught in previous years, so was he really so stupid? metro.co.uk/2021/03/27/prophet-muhammad-cartoon-had-been-shown-to-pupils-at-school-before-14314779/No, the radicals are empowered by that violence in other cities. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 26, 2024 10:24:54 GMT
The fact that the cartoon in question had already resulted in killings in a capital city only 300 miles from London should, I think not unreasonably, have alerted any sensible teacher of the current danger of displaying it in class — even supposing the motivation was one of education and information. As for the Police — there’s not even enough honest ones to patrol the streets to protect scantily-clad drunken women, let alone guard every school… It was taught in previous years, so was he really so stupid? metro.co.uk/2021/03/27/prophet-muhammad-cartoon-had-been-shown-to-pupils-at-school-before-14314779/No, the radicals are empowered by that violence in other cities. The thing is, victim blaming also enables and empowers violence. When the cardinal sin in all this is an 'offensive' lesson, rather than the intimidation and threatening behaviour that ran the bloke out of town then you know you live in a time and society where it's Alice through the looking glass. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 26, 2024 10:51:41 GMT
wapentake
Isn't that the whole crux of all of my posts in this thread and others like it, the lack of a level playing field ? This thread is no more than a re-run of the one a few months ago relating to Muslim school kids in France being forced to look at paintings of nudes. My point, which I'll make one final attempt at making, is that if it's the sensitivities of a Jewish kid in hospital, then those in Authority (Government employees in all cases NHS or Batley Grammar) should change their approach to accommodate the child and his parents wishes. If it's Drag Queen story time, the School should be forced to change because the kids, but mostly the parents are unhappy with the situation. If it's unisex toilets and 'transgirls' are permitted, then again the School should change the situation because our daughters are unhappy with lads dressed in skirts being in the same area, and the parents share that unhappiness. Yet what an about face the moment it's Muslim children that are unhappy .... then it's a 180 degree change of direction and we're straight into RR's you'll get what you're given and like it, or sod off to Pakistan ! You will look at the nudes in the book .... you will look at the Charlie Hebdo caricatures of Muhammad.
The staggeringly different approach that's clearly favoured here by the majority, dependent on whether the upset kids are Muslim or non-Muslim is clear enough for a blind man to see. If it's the latter, bend over backwards to address their issues, if it's the former compel them to accept or tell them to get out of the country. The concerns of one set of kids and their parents anguished over, the concerns of the other set of kids to be trampled underfoot. Tackle and eradicate that first and most importantly. Freedom of the Press, democracy, what a state school should teach, does one religion trump another etc etc ? ..... all interesting subjects for debate in the classroom and for the forum .... but if it's to be conducted on a foundation of double standards, don't be surprised if more Batley style anger gets stoked up.
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Post by patman post on Mar 26, 2024 11:03:52 GMT
The thing is, victim blaming also enables and empowers violence. When the cardinal sin in all this is an 'offensive' lesson, rather than the intimidation and threatening behaviour that ran the bloke out of town then you know you live in a time and society where it's Alice through the looking glass. I should be able to walk around Fitzrovia wearing a £50,000 watch, but if I do and it gets violently ripped off my wrist I’ll be thought stupid for not being aware of the danger and taking proper care… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 26, 2024 11:12:16 GMT
wapentake Isn't that the whole crux of all of my posts in this thread and others like it, the lack of a level playing field ? This thread is no more than a re-run of the one a few months ago relating to Muslim school kids in France being forced to look at paintings of nudes. My point, which I'll make one final attempt at making, is that if it's the sensitivities of a Jewish kid in hospital, then those in Authority (Government employees in all cases NHS or Batley Grammar) should change their approach to accommodate the child and his parents wishes. If it's Drag Queen story time, the School should be forced to change because the kids, but mostly the parents are unhappy with the situation. If it's unisex toilets and 'transgirls' are permitted, then again the School should change the situation because our daughters are unhappy with lads dressed in skirts being in the same area, and the parents share that unhappiness. Yet what an about face the moment it's Muslim children that are unhappy .... then it's a 180 degree change of direction and we're straight into RR's you'll get what you're given and like it, or sod off to Pakistan ! You will look at the nudes in the book .... you will look at the Charlie Hebdo caricatures of Muhammad. The staggeringly different approach that's clearly favoured here by the majority, dependent on whether the upset kids are Muslim or non-Muslim is clear enough for a blind man to see. If it's the latter, bend over backwards to address their issues, if it's the former compel them to accept or tell them to get out of the country. The concerns of one set of kids and their parents anguished over, the concerns of the other set of kids to be trampled underfoot. Tackle and eradicate that first and most importantly. Freedom of the Press, democracy, what a state school should teach, does one religion trump another etc etc ? ..... all interesting subjects for debate in the classroom and for the forum .... but if it's to be conducted on a foundation of double standards, don't be surprised if more Batley style anger gets stoked up. It's not a case of 'you'll get what your given and like it'. It's a case of, 'this is the way we do things in this none Islamic country'. But as ever, when it comes to Muslims we have to tip toe around their delicate sensibilities because it would seem their feelings are far more important than ours, and the more the authorities appease the more they push. If you or I had demonstrated waving a banner that said 'Slay those who insult Christianity' we would have been arrested, and rightly so. But as we have seen time and time again, the police tend to have a blind spot when it comes to aggressive Muslims. |
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