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Post by Bentley on Mar 25, 2024 22:56:18 GMT
wapentake Nope, I'm giving the Teacher the benefit of doubt on the numbers .... of course if the Muslim pupils were already outnumbered, his actions toward a minority would be all the more reprehensible. Considering his youth, even now in his 20's it seems, it's a pity his gross stupidity has cost him dearly. And he'll have learnt the hard way that playing the 'no offence intended' card doesn't let you get away scot free every time. Actions have consequences, as he's now only too well aware. Indeed. Victim blaming has consequences too. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 25, 2024 22:56:53 GMT
I'm gobsmacked that a couple of posters tacitly approve of a teacher being forced into hiding for two bloody years, given a new identity and all the upheaval that brings socially and emotionally for offending the only religion
that is off limits to offend.
If there are two on here with those views, how many in wider society would also victim blame this teacher?
Worrying signs for Broken Britain.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 25, 2024 22:59:52 GMT
Next time a trans, drag Queen, Goth or an outspoken supporter of woke politics is attacked by the ‘ right wing ‘ Im sure these two will tell us they asked for it .
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 25, 2024 23:01:28 GMT
buccaneer Myself and Imam Patman are just the tip of the iceberg. Your name will be added to the list of Infidels we keep at the Mosque  |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 23:03:42 GMT
The people their fucking being threatened by, that’s whom. But I’m not in that situation and I think I have enough nouse not to be, even though I’m not a schoolteacher with 20 or 30 pupils in my care… This is Britain in the 21st Century - do you really think that teachers should be forced to moderate their teaching to accommodate the lunatic beliefs of the violent followers of a 7th Century sect? Where are the Police? The fact that the cartoon in question had already resulted in killings in a capital city only 300 miles from London should, I think not unreasonably, have alerted any sensible teacher of the current danger of displaying it in class — even supposing the motivation was one of education and information. As for the Police — there’s not even enough honest ones to patrol the streets to protect scantily-clad drunken women, let alone guard every school… |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 25, 2024 23:18:22 GMT
wapentake Nope, I'm giving the Teacher the benefit of doubt on the numbers .... of course if the Muslim pupils were already outnumbered, his actions toward a minority would be all the more reprehensible. Considering his youth, even now in his 20's it seems, it's a pity his gross stupidity has cost him dearly. And he'll have learnt the hard way that playing the 'no offence intended' card doesn't let you get away scot free every time. Actions have consequences, as he's now only too well aware. Giving him no benefit,you cited a class full of Muslims being educated on the modern day freedom of the press and religious extremism made him a nutter,unable to confirm the actual numbers in the class you then change tack to if it was a minority of Muslims it was even worse. His actions?what in attempting to educate,if you live in a free society where you are free to worship whoever you like within the law means that freedom enables others to point out the right of others to express their beliefs too,except you don’t accept his two way street as you appear to favour only a one way street where one belief is valid because not accepting that brings consequences. You have a very jaundiced view of what constitutes freedom and democracy. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 23:19:57 GMT
I'm gobsmacked that a couple of posters tacitly approve of a teacher being forced into hiding for two bloody years, given a new identity and all the upheaval that brings socially and emotionally for offending the only religion that is off limits to offend. If there are two on here with those views, how many in wider society would also victim blame this teacher? Worrying signs for Broken Britain. Understanding the reason(s) why does not mean approval. In my case I’m lamenting the lack of awareness of the person in charge of pupils entrusted to his/her care. Teaching is a hard job. It needs good people to do it. If one occasionally gets it wrong, that’s tough. But it’s no reason to believe the whole country is going to Hell in a hand cart because all teaching staff are as unobservant… |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 25, 2024 23:24:31 GMT
I'm gobsmacked that a couple of posters tacitly approve of a teacher being forced into hiding for two bloody years, given a new identity and all the upheaval that brings socially and emotionally for offending the only religion that is off limits to offend. If there are two on here with those views, how many in wider society would also victim blame this teacher? Worrying signs for Broken Britain. Understanding the reason(s) why does not mean approval. In my case I’m lamenting the lack of awareness of the person in charge of pupils entrusted to his/her care. Teaching is a hard job. It needs good people to do it. If one occasionally gets it wrong, that’s tough. But it’s no reason to believe the whole country is going to Hell in a hand cart because all teaching staff are as unobservant… Rubbish. If somebody gets it occasionally wrong it isn't "tough" to the extent that that are forced to flea their home, job and identity for something that doesn't even break the law. What a load of nonsense you speak. You've just said teaching is a hard job, so it cannot be "tough" if a teacher gets it occasionally wrong. They should be able to safely learn from that and continue on in their work so long as they have broken the law. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 25, 2024 23:37:54 GMT
This is Britain in the 21st Century - do you really think that teachers should be forced to moderate their teaching to accommodate the lunatic beliefs of the violent followers of a 7th Century sect? Where are the Police? The fact that the cartoon in question had already resulted in killings in a capital city only 300 miles from London should, I think not unreasonably, have alerted any sensible teacher of the current danger of displaying it in class — even supposing the motivation was one of education and information. As for the Police — there’s not even enough honest ones to patrol the streets to protect scantily-clad drunken women, let alone guard every school… Isn’t that a stupid and offensive thing to say on a forum where if they’re that corrupt they have the means to track you down because there are consequences which have you run out of town in to hiding changing your name and suffering unemployment? |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 23:39:24 GMT
Understanding the reason(s) why does not mean approval. In my case I’m lamenting the lack of awareness of the person in charge of pupils entrusted to his/her care. Teaching is a hard job. It needs good people to do it. If one occasionally gets it wrong, that’s tough. But it’s no reason to believe the whole country is going to Hell in a hand cart because all teaching staff are as unobservant… Rubbish. If somebody gets it occasionally wrong it isn't "tough" to the extent that that are forced to flea their home, job and identity for something that doesn't even break the law. What a load of nonsense you speak. You've just said teaching is a hard job, so it cannot be "tough" if a teacher gets it occasionally wrong. They should be able to safely learn from that and continue on in their work so long as they have broken the law. Not sure what you’re on about in all that verbiage — perhaps there’s a few negatives and qualifiers missing — but some mistakes cannot be overlooked and the perp has to look for another job. From my position of absolutely no first-hand knowledge of the Batley Grammar affair I’d say this is just such a case. I wish him well, and hope others learn from this situation… |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 23:43:07 GMT
The fact that the cartoon in question had already resulted in killings in a capital city only 300 miles from London should, I think not unreasonably, have alerted any sensible teacher of the current danger of displaying it in class — even supposing the motivation was one of education and information. As for the Police — there’s not even enough honest ones to patrol the streets to protect scantily-clad drunken women, let alone guard every school… Isn’t that a stupid and offensive thing to say on a forum where if they’re that corrupt they have the means to track you down because there are consequences which have you run out of town in to hiding changing your name and suffering unemployment? Without wishing to be offensive, may I suggest you try putting each idea in a short sentence so that I can understand it and, perhaps, address each one in turn… |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 25, 2024 23:53:36 GMT
Isn’t that a stupid and offensive thing to say on a forum where if they’re that corrupt they have the means to track you down because there are consequences which have you run out of town in to hiding changing your name and suffering unemployment? Without wishing to be offensive, may I suggest you try putting each idea in a short sentence so that I can understand it and, perhaps, address each one in turn… You offend me Pat not a hope,you really are unable to comprehend or find the truth uncomfortable. Still you could resort to whataboutery (again) the last refuge of someone who unable to answer resorts to crying that’s out of bounds. If you’re unable to understand that your mothers hard work and even more hard earned cash was wasted sending you abroad to educate you. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 25, 2024 23:54:49 GMT
wapentake
Re-read,I've cited nothing about freedom of the press, and it was the Teacher's astounding level of insensitivity toward the beliefs and feelings strongly held by a number of his pupils that puts him in the Nutter category. For all I know he could be the foremost expert on
the freedom of the Press ..... but he's a first rate ignoramus when it comes to his choice of teaching aids in relation to his audience.
Batley Grammar lanced this boil 2 years ago, and all being well the kids can enjoy their lessons again without worrying that another such experience is in store for them .... and the errant 'Teacher' is making a good living somewhere away from the scene of his misdemeanour.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 26, 2024 0:00:05 GMT
wapentake Re-read,I've cited nothing about freedom of the press, and it was the Teacher's astounding level of insensitivity toward the beliefs and feelings strongly held by a number of his pupils that puts him in the Nutter category. For all I know he could be the foremost expert on the freedom of the Press ..... but he's a first rate ignoramus when it comes to his choice of teaching aids in relation to his audience. Batley Grammar lanced this boil 2 years ago, and all being well the kids can enjoy their lessons again without worrying that another such experience is in store for them .... and the errant 'Teacher' is making a good living somewhere away from the scene of his misdemeanour. I think you need to reread what I posted,I didn’t say you cited that,it was what the school presented in defence of the teacher and actuality of the situation. Still on your one way street of whose freedoms matter and those that don’t. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 26, 2024 0:02:13 GMT
Without wishing to be offensive, may I suggest you try putting each idea in a short sentence so that I can understand it and, perhaps, address each one in turn… You offend me Pat not a hope,you really are unable to comprehend or find the truth uncomfortable. Still you could resort to whataboutery (again) the last refuge of someone who unable to answer resorts to crying that’s out of bounds. If you’re unable to understand that your mothers hard work and even more hard earned cash was wasted sending you abroad to educate you. That’s fairly perceptive — isn’t it…? |
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