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Post by wapentake on Mar 25, 2024 22:04:49 GMT
Chrissakes? if that’s ok would you contemplate using similar with the prophets name,if not why? Shouldnt a religious studies teacher discuss contemporary events? I’m not au fait with “the prophet” so I’m happy not to put myself (or any charges I may be responsible for) in the firing line. It’s an easy decision. Or another diversion,so what you’re saying is you’re au fait enough to use such words and not bother about any Christian’s sensibilities and then go on to say not with the prophet and thereby Islam but consider yourself knowledgeable enough to pass judgement on a religious studies teacher……..really? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 25, 2024 22:11:22 GMT
Are you saying it was the teacher's fault, Pat? My opinion is that the teacher made a mistake that shouldn’t have been made — a bit like thinking he could pull out of the side road in front of an oncoming 20 ton truck. Both scenarios have consequences… So you think girls that wear ‘ inappropriate’ clothing and / or drink too much alcohol are responsible for being sexually attacked ? |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 22:16:59 GMT
I’m not au fait with “the prophet” so I’m happy not to put myself (or any charges I may be responsible for) in the firing line. It’s an easy decision. Or another diversion,so what you’re saying is you’re au fait enough to use such words and not bother about any Christian’s sensibilities and then go on to say with the prophet and thereby Islam but consider yourself knowledgeable enough to pas judgement on a religious studies teacher……..really? What anti Christian rhetoric or teaching material has caused violence, or even threats of violence, in Britain in the 21st century? If it had, any teacher using it in an environment that was likely to inflame emotions should be sanctioned — lightly or heavily, depending on the circumstances. Frankly, I consider religious studies less useful than ancient history, and any practitioners as useful as homeopathy advocates. But I wouldn’t depict, deride or criticise any current religious beliefs in a teaching situation, because I am aware of the possible consequences… |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 22:20:32 GMT
My opinion is that the teacher made a mistake that shouldn’t have been made — a bit like thinking he could pull out of the side road in front of an oncoming 20 ton truck. Both scenarios have consequences… So you think girls that wear ‘ inappropriate’ clothing and / or drink too much alcohol are responsible for being sexually attacked ? Why would I necessarily think that…? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 25, 2024 22:21:11 GMT
So you think girls that wear ‘ inappropriate’ clothing and / or drink too much alcohol are responsible for being sexually attacked ? Why would I necessarily think that…? Same principle. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 25, 2024 22:22:22 GMT
Or another diversion,so what you’re saying is you’re au fait enough to use such words and not bother about any Christian’s sensibilities and then go on to say with the prophet and thereby Islam but consider yourself knowledgeable enough to pas judgement on a religious studies teacher……..really? What anti Christian rhetoric or teaching material has caused violence, or even threats of violence, in Britain in the 21st century? If it had, any teacher using it in an environment that was likely to inflame emotions should be sanctioned — lightly or heavily, depending on the circumstances. Frankly, I consider religious studies less useful than ancient history, and any practitioners as useful as homeopathy advocates. But I wouldn’t depict, deride or criticise any current religious beliefs in a teaching situation, because I am aware of the possible consequences…Consequences from who?.. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 25, 2024 22:24:56 GMT
Or another diversion,so what you’re saying is you’re au fait enough to use such words and not bother about any Christian’s sensibilities and then go on to say with the prophet and thereby Islam but consider yourself knowledgeable enough to pas judgement on a religious studies teacher……..really? What anti Christian rhetoric or teaching material has caused violence, or even threats of violence, in Britain in the 21st century? If it had, any teacher using it in an environment that was likely to inflame emotions should be sanctioned — lightly or heavily, depending on the circumstances. Frankly, I consider religious studies less useful than ancient history, and any practitioners as useful as homeopathy advocates. But I wouldn’t depict, deride or criticise any current religious beliefs in a teaching situation, because I am aware of the possible consequences… Still don’t get it,you’re happy to say for Christ sake which some Christian’s would find offensive but because they don’t go driving people in to hiding and threaten violence that’s ok but another religious group go all out so you’d say nowt. This is allegedly a liberal democracy but only for some is what you’re saying. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 25, 2024 22:25:35 GMT
wapentake It was the epitome of illegitimacy if your audience is a class full of Muslims. This Nutter, after taking actions that as an RE Teacher he must have been cast iron certain were guaranteed to offend ..... must surely have realised that coming up with a pitiful 'no intent to offend' excuse just wouldn't cut it. Anyway he learnt where he could stick his 'legitimacy' when he was packing up and moving house. I imagine it's a pretty sure bet he'll never be let loose in a classroom again. If it's any consolation to him, I'm sure those who ran him out of town had no intention to offend either .... after all what's a good enough excuse for the goose is a good enough excuse for the gander  |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 25, 2024 22:27:48 GMT
What anti Christian rhetoric or teaching material has caused violence, or even threats of violence, in Britain in the 21st century? If it had, any teacher using it in an environment that was likely to inflame emotions should be sanctioned — lightly or heavily, depending on the circumstances. Frankly, I consider religious studies less useful than ancient history, and any practitioners as useful as homeopathy advocates. But I wouldn’t depict, deride or criticise any current religious beliefs in a teaching situation, because I am aware of the possible consequences… Still don’t get it,you’re happy to say for Christ sake which some Christian’s would find offensive but because they don’t go driving people in to hiding and threaten violence that’s ok but another religious group go all out so you’d say nowt. This is allegedly a liberal democracy but only for some is what you’re saying. It reflects the craven, cowardly and bias leftie position on social justice. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 22:33:09 GMT
Why would I necessarily think that…? Same principle. Only obliquely if the person has no regard for their own safety — even then it’s unlikely to be in their daytime employment in which they’re paid to be expected to be aware of their and their charges’ environment. You’ll have to dig harder to get any whataboutery from this… |
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2024 22:37:39 GMT
What anti Christian rhetoric or teaching material has caused violence, or even threats of violence, in Britain in the 21st century? If it had, any teacher using it in an environment that was likely to inflame emotions should be sanctioned — lightly or heavily, depending on the circumstances. Frankly, I consider religious studies less useful than ancient history, and any practitioners as useful as homeopathy advocates. But I wouldn’t depict, deride or criticise any current religious beliefs in a teaching situation, because I am aware of the possible consequences…Consequences from who?.. The people their fucking being threatened by, that’s whom. But I’m not in that situation and I think I have enough nouse not to be, even though I’m not a schoolteacher with 20 or 30 pupils in my care… |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 25, 2024 22:39:12 GMT
wapentake It was the epitome of illegitimacy if your audience is a class full of Muslims. This Nutter, after taking actions that as an RE Teacher he must have been cast iron certain were guaranteed to offend ..... must surely have realised that coming up with a pitiful 'no intent to offend' excuse just wouldn't cut it. Anyway he learnt where he could stick his 'legitimacy' when he was packing up and moving house. I imagine it's a pretty sure bet he'll never be let loose in a classroom again. If it's any consolation to him, I'm sure those who ran him out of town had no intention to offend either .... after all what's a good enough excuse for the goose is a good enough excuse for the gander Do you have figures to show the numbers of Muslims in that particular class,it is a state funded school where the teacher was doing his job Aren’t such things legitimate discussion in a democracy and is the teacher only described as a nutter because you disapprove of him? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 25, 2024 22:46:06 GMT
Only obliquely if the person has no regard for their own safety — even then it’s unlikely to be in their daytime employment in which they’re paid to be expected to be aware of their and their charges’ environment. You’ll have to dig harder to get any whataboutery from this… Dont cry Whataboutery . That has nothing to do with your assertion that it’s your own fault if you do something that is quite legal merely because it’s provokes an aggressor to do something illegal. What next ? It’s your fault if you leave your window open and are consequently burgled because you asked for it ? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 25, 2024 22:46:30 GMT
The people their fucking being threatened by, that’s whom. But I’m not in that situation and I think I have enough nouse not to be, even though I’m not a schoolteacher with 20 or 30 pupils in my care… This is Britain in the 21st Century - do you really think that teachers should be forced to moderate their teaching to accommodate the lunatic beliefs of the violent followers of a 7th Century sect? Where are the Police? |
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 25, 2024 22:51:21 GMT
wapentake
Nope, I'm giving the Teacher the benefit of doubt on the numbers .... of course if the Muslim pupils were already outnumbered, his actions toward a minority would be all the more reprehensible.
Considering his youth, even now in his 20's it seems, it's a pity his gross stupidity has cost him dearly. And he'll have learnt the hard way that playing the 'no offence intended' card doesn't let you get away scot free every time. Actions have consequences, as he's now only too well aware.
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