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Post by happyjack on Mar 25, 2024 12:18:01 GMT
As usual, so much Jaydee anger and resentment yet, as far as I can see, not a single valid point amongst that deluge of free-form gobbledegook and seriously flawed thinking.
Whether anything you say here has, in itself, any merit or not does not alter the simple fact, as demonstrated year after year by the GERS reports, that Scotland provides HM Treasury with circa £20 billion less in revenue than the UK Government, either directly or through the Scottish Government, spends on Scotland. Given that much the same situation applies in Wales and NI, that means that the fiscal wellbeing of all 3 smaller nations is not only seriously boosted by England’s taxpayers, but boosted to a level way beyond that enjoyed by England’s taxpayers themselves.
PS - As I made clear above, “the piss spewed by No 10”, as you so ineloquently describe it, actually came from the ScotGov publication that you provided a link to in support of your false claim to the contrary.
PPS - you do realise that fiscal expenditure on Scotland rose by £28 billion over the same period that the tax take rose by the £14 billion that you are making such a fuss about, which took Scotland’s notional fiscal deficit up from £11 billion to £25 billion. It’s a pity that The National did not mention that or, alternatively, that you did not have sufficient smarts to check that out and to put things into perspective before coming on here and making a show of yourself. Not so much to gloat about after all, is there?
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Post by om15 on Mar 25, 2024 12:31:26 GMT
I have watched posters give lucid and informative answers to the demented and unhinged ramblings of JD over the years, you are completely wasting your time. Any link to unarguable official sources will be drowned out in a deluge of nonsense from the National or the Guardian, (and occasionally the Asphalt Association).
You can gain solace from the fact that the majority of Scots rejected this at the ballot box quite firmly once and will do so again, you can now only hope the damage being caused to your Country by the SNP will be limited before they are booted out at the next election, perhaps some sanity might return then.
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Post by jaydee on Mar 26, 2024 10:22:19 GMT
As usual, so much Jaydee anger and resentment yet, as far as I can see, not a single valid point amongst that deluge of free-form gobbledegook and seriously flawed thinking. Whether anything you say here has, in itself, any merit or not does not alter the simple fact, as demonstrated year after year by the GERS reports, that Scotland provides HM Treasury with circa £20 billion less in revenue than the UK Government, either directly or through the Scottish Government, spends on Scotland. Given that much the same situation applies in Wales and NI, that means that the fiscal wellbeing of all 3 smaller nations is not only seriously boosted by England’s taxpayers, but boosted to a level way beyond that enjoyed by England’s taxpayers themselves. PS - As I made clear above, “the piss spewed by No 10”, as you so ineloquently describe it, actually came from the ScotGov publication that you provided a link to in support of your false claim to the contrary. PPS - you do realise that fiscal expenditure on Scotland rose by £28 billion over the same period that the tax take rose by the £14 billion that you are making such a fuss about, which took Scotland’s notional fiscal deficit up from £11 billion to £25 billion. It’s a pity that The National did not mention that or, alternatively, that you did not have sufficient smarts to check that out and to put things into perspective before coming on here and making a show of yourself. Not so much to gloat about after all, is there? Oh dear. Here we go again. it is now anger. You missed out anti English, on drugs, senile dementia , you could not understand because it was unintelligible. And every other nonsensical bollocks that clowns use when they cannot answer, knowing full well they are wrong. But will not admit it. I have heard it all before. And for you info. The info you rant as pish from the Sct Gov. The data was furnished by the UK Government, The UK treasury, The IFS and so on. The Scottish government does not have access to that data. Two clowns on here and not one answer between them. So let me ask you again for the 20th time In terms of the UK. The Scottish government has no borrowing power. Zilch. Is that correct. Or is that not correct. Or are you going to go of on as tangent and waffle. It is a retained matter. That means Scotland has a zero deficit. It cannot create something it cannot do. Zilch.. And the only nation in the UK to pay its way. The English debt, which is now over over £2.9 trillion and rising at over £6000 pers second. England requires a PSBR of some £130 billion a year. Just to stand still. So how do your work out that bankrupt England pays its way. Going back to the block grant. How nice of the English treasury to praise itself of giving Scotland, ranting a record amount of money. For little Englanders to waffle crap. That is absolute testicvles. It is Scotland's own money.
Scotland has 8.4% of the UK population. Analysis from the House of Commons Library suggests that Scotland’s block grant will consist of just 3.5% of UK Government spending in 2023/24 and 2024/25, according to the Autumn Statement plans. You know the purpose of Barnett, which a mechanism used by the Treasury in the United Kingdom to automatically adjust the amounts of public expenditure allocated to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to reflect changes in spending levels allocated to public services in England, England and Wales, as appropriate.It also dictates the Scottish Block grant.In short. Scotland screwed again. The Westminster wankers, not only in this, but on defence procurement, think the Scottish population is 3.5% of the UK It is clear to me from the drivel you rant, you do not have a clue how all this is calculated. For your info. In the 10 minutes it has taken me to write this post. Bankrut England's debt has risen by £21,600,000. That's the scale. But heh why let facts get in the road.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pete-wishart-scotland-government-snp-scottish-government-b2507652.htmlIn terms of your bullshit that fiscal expenditure rose by £28 billion That is as a result of Scotland being part of the UK and a statistic under present constitutional arrangement. Not actual money. Just like the nonsense the Scots get X amount of funding more than England. That is more pish. It is a stat. Or let me put it another way. England's fiscal deficit is £131 billion. See link below. Or is that wrong as well. That is what Bankrupt England has to borrow just to stand still. That means before the year starts. Scotland has statistic of a £13 billion deficit under present constitional arrangements. Or near enough . It was not borrowed by the Scottish Government who had a zilch deficit. And underspent by £507 million. Which you consistently deny. I have already gave you the figures, along with the links. So stop talking undiluted pish. This is the second or third time I have asked you. Do you actually know how all this is worked out. Because as far as I can see you are about as clueless on this as OM15 is on Scottish politics. That is what the UK government borrowed for England. Now point to a link where £13 billion of that was given to the Scottish government. Or any year since GERs was invented. On top of that. I am still waiting on this link where Bankrupt England gave Scotland £25 billion. Despite the link below showing a distinct borrowing. You have still not told me how you worked out England paid its way in the UK. I await more bollocks in reply www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151 |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 26, 2024 11:06:04 GMT
I have watched posters give lucid and informative answers to the demented and unhinged ramblings of JD over the years, you are completely wasting your time. Any link to unarguable official sources will be drowned out in a deluge of nonsense from the National or the Guardian, (and occasionally the Asphalt Association). You can gain solace from the fact that the majority of Scots rejected this at the ballot box quite firmly once and will do so again, you can now only hope the damage being caused to your Country by the SNP will be limited before they are booted out at the next election, perhaps some sanity might return then. Ah Mr stupid at his stupid best. Every post at least once a day is demented and unhinged ramblings. Everyone 100% wrong. I have met many unhinged stupid Englishmen. So full of hate that it affects there wellbeing. You take the biscuit. So let me give you a few facts about the SNP. and your drivel about damage. Which you have had a million times. But still rant the same drivel. What damage are you on about. Healthcare spending in Scotland is £2,368 per person, while in England it is £2,182. Scotland has 76 GPs per 100,000 people, compared to England with 60 per 100,000 .The number of patients spending over 12 hours in A&E was 0.2 per cent in Scotland, 2 per cent in England. Scottish nurses, Police Officers and firemen are the highest paid in the UK. NHS waiting times. 945,072 people waited more than 12 hours in England A&E departments. That’s 48 times larger than the figure for Scotland 19,667, There are 3.9 million children living in poverty in England . That's 27 per cent of children, or eight in a classroom of 30. In Scotland. Funded early learning and childcare is free to parents, but funded by the Scottish Government. You can get up to 1,140 hours of funded early learning and childcare a year (around 30 hours a week in term time) if your child is 3 or 4 years old. Some 2 year olds are also eligible. On top of the National UK payment. Scottish Child Payment is awarded if successful towards the costs of supporting family in poverty. . It's a weekly payment of £25 that you can get for every child who's under 16 years of age. The payment every 4 weeks. It does not cost the English tax payer one penny. Neither does devolved maters. Every new mother gets a baby box. Which can double up for a cot for those unable to afford one. More than one in five of the Englsih population (22%) are in poverty– 14.5 million people. Of these, 8.1 million are working-age adults, 4.3 million are children and 2.1 million are pensioners. Now would you care to correct that, instead of shooting the messenger. . In term of London. Nearly 30 per cent of Londoners live in poverty,according to the IFS, There are around around 8 million living in London. That equates to around the adult population of Scotland in poverty in London . Compared to 22 per cent across the UK generally. . In-work poverty has risen in the North to 3.5 million. Just a few to get on with. So would you care to point to all this damage to Scotland. And exactly in your constant hate filled drivel. What do you actually compare your drivel with. So instead of trying to make out how wonderful you are as idiotic statement maker, belching shite. Go to any post I have put up, anyone will do, and correct anything I have said. I realise on this thread the subject is way past your educational limits. But feel free to make a bigger prick of your self and correct anything I have said on this thread. I await with bated breath. I am still waiting on all this evidence you have that the former FM stole £600,000. Along with a link to where the incumbent FM gave Hamas money so his family could get out of Gaza. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 26, 2024 11:07:54 GMT
What a load of Anglophobic bollocks.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 26, 2024 13:51:22 GMT
Jaydee wrote “ it is now anger. You missed out anti English, on drugs, senile dementia , you could not understand because it was unintelligible. And every other nonsensical bollocks … “
A couple of questions for you i.e.
1. If it is none of the things that you list above that result in you producing the deluge of incohesive absurdities that is your trademark post, what is it then that leads you to do so?
2. Why do you think that amongst all posters, past and present, on this and on the old site, it is you, and you alone, who attracts such speculation and derision?
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Post by happyjack on Mar 26, 2024 14:06:35 GMT
Oh dear. Here we go again. it is now anger. You missed out anti English, on drugs, senile dementia , you could not understand because it was unintelligible. And every other nonsensical bollocks that clowns use when they cannot answer, knowing full well they are wrong. But will not admit it. I have heard it all before. And for you info. The info you rant as pish from the Sct Gov. The data was furnished by the UK Government, The UK treasury, The IFS and so on. The Scottish government does not have access to that data. Two clowns on here and not one answer between them. So let me ask you again for the 20th time In terms of the UK. The Scottish government has no borrowing power. Zilch. Is that correct. Or is that not correct. Or are you going to go of on as tangent and waffle. It is a retained matter. That means Scotland has a zero deficit. It cannot create something it cannot do. Zilch.. And the only nation in the UK to pay its way. The English debt, which is now over over £2.9 trillion and rising at over £6000 pers second. England requires a PSBR of some £130 billion a year. Just to stand still. So how do your work out that bankrupt England pays its way. Going back to the block grant. How nice of the English treasury to praise itself of giving Scotland, ranting a record amount of money. For little Englanders to waffle crap. That is absolute testicvles. It is Scotland's own money.
Scotland has 8.4% of the UK population. Analysis from the House of Commons Library suggests that Scotland’s block grant will consist of just 3.5% of UK Government spending in 2023/24 and 2024/25, according to the Autumn Statement plans. You know the purpose of Barnett, which a mechanism used by the Treasury in the United Kingdom to automatically adjust the amounts of public expenditure allocated to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to reflect changes in spending levels allocated to public services in England, England and Wales, as appropriate.It also dictates the Scottish Block grant.In short. Scotland screwed again. The Westminster wankers, not only in this, but on defence procurement, think the Scottish population is 3.5% of the UK It is clear to me from the drivel you rant, you do not have a clue how all this is calculated. For your info. In the 10 minutes it has taken me to write this post. Bankrut England's debt has risen by £21,600,000. That's the scale. But heh why let facts get in the road.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pete-wishart-scotland-government-snp-scottish-government-b2507652.htmlIn terms of your bullshit that fiscal expenditure rose by £28 billion That is as a result of Scotland being part of the UK and a statistic under present constitutional arrangement. Not actual money. Just like the nonsense the Scots get X amount of funding more than England. That is more pish. It is a stat. Or let me put it another way. England's fiscal deficit is £131 billion. See link below. Or is that wrong as well. That is what Bankrupt England has to borrow just to stand still. That means before the year starts. Scotland has statistic of a £13 billion deficit under present constitional arrangements. Or near enough . It was not borrowed by the Scottish Government who had a zilch deficit. And underspent by £507 million. Which you consistently deny. I have already gave you the figures, along with the links. So stop talking undiluted pish. This is the second or third time I have asked you. Do you actually know how all this is worked out. Because as far as I can see you are about as clueless on this as OM15 is on Scottish politics. That is what the UK government borrowed for England. Now point to a link where £13 billion of that was given to the Scottish government. Or any year since GERs was invented. On top of that. I am still waiting on this link where Bankrupt England gave Scotland £25 billion. Despite the link below showing a distinct borrowing. You have still not told me how you worked out England paid its way in the UK. I await more bollocks in reply www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151 Yes, unlike you, I understand how it is worked out - which is why I know that not only is everything you write nonsense but that most of it is irrelevant. And I have told you where to find the evidence that England props up Scotland year upon year I.e. just google GERS reports for the last 15 years or so. When you do that you will also see that fiscal expenditure on Scotland by HM Government rose by £28 billion in the 10 year period you referred to in your original post when the rise in Scotland’s tax contribution, which you came on here embarrassingly gloating about, was only half that amount. |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 26, 2024 15:40:40 GMT
Yes, unlike you, I understand how it is worked out - which is why I know that not only is everything you write nonsense but most of it is irrelevant. And I have told where to find the evidence that England props up Scotland year upon year I.e. just google GERS reports for the last 15 years or so. When you do that you will also see that fiscal expenditure on Scotland by HM Government rose by £28 billion in the 10 year period you referred to in your original post when Scotland’s tax contribution only rose by half that amount. Let me make this nice and simple for you. And once you have read this. You explain to me how you think GERs is worked out. Because your drivel is clear and concise on that. You are clueless. Last year Did the UK government borrow £130 billion. See 1st link. Under present constitional arrangement is Scotland responsible for 8.4% of that debt. That will come in at around £13 billion or so. The answer is yes. Did the Scottish Government borrow any of this money. Answer No. So right of without getting anything. Scotland has a £13 billion deficit. On something it cannot create. Explain how you make out it has. So instead just saying it. Show me where this £13 billion came to Scotland. To be spent by the Scots. Second time I have asked. It is a very simple question. And no you have not answered. .Because you cannot find the answer. Because it was never spent in Scotland. Because matey it is a statistic. The lot spent in bankrupt England Did the Latest GERs dictate that under present constitional arrangements Scotland with its 8.4% share of this and its 8.4 share of that shit, assets like oil, energy and gas are classed as UK assets. That is why I say treble it in reality. Contribute some £90 billion to the UK treasury. Let's settle for that. From that £90 billion. Did the Scottish government recieve back £41 billion of its own money, see 3rd link. That money was only 3.5% of the 8.4% of UK TOTAL PUBLIC EXPEDITURE. I I will explain what that means when your rant shite on how you conclude GERS is calculated. Who do you think you are trying to kid. I await the undiluted waffle on that one. That means. You explain to me how you think GERs is worked out. From that £41 billion did the Scottish Government underspent to the tune of £509 million. See 2nd link. . On which you are in total denial. And from all that. Can you tell me why you are rantring that the Scots were responsible for 60% of this deficit. That is what you are saying. The answer. You believe the shit which is a statistic. See 4th link. I have gone over all this a dozen times. I forgot to add. Debt servicing on bankrupt England's massive debt was £111 billion last year. . That is more than the defence budget. And that is just interest. Of which the Scots will have to pay some £10 billion on that. On a debt the Scot's did not need ask for or borrow. This matey is where all your bullshit is coming from. And for your info. At the end of Quarter 2 2023 the UK deficit was 18.1 percentage points above the EU average. So much for unicorns breeding in England. And how the world needs England more than England needs the world. Also for your info. There are many way of describing debt. The true English debt in cash terms is way over £2.9 trillion and rising at over £6000 per second. As you believe the shit being spewed by No 10 that the English economy is splendid by jove. FFS your idea of splendid and mines is poles apart. Nothing is getting through to you. You are in total denial. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151www.heraldscotland.com/news/23929511.scottish-government-records-509m-underspend/www.thenational.scot/news/24164921.scotlands-block-grant-lowest-since-devolution---snp/www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/08/21/the-gers-data-is-ludicrous-scotland-does-not-generate-60-of-the-uks-net-fiscal-deficit/ |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 26, 2024 16:14:19 GMT
He doesn't half come out with pish for arguments.
Nothing's changed.
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 26, 2024 17:11:02 GMT
I have watched posters give lucid and informative answers to the demented and unhinged ramblings of JD over the years, you are completely wasting your time. Any link to unarguable official sources will be drowned out in a deluge of nonsense from the National or the Guardian, (and occasionally the Asphalt Association). You can gain solace from the fact that the majority of Scots rejected this at the ballot box quite firmly once and will do so again, you can now only hope the damage being caused to your Country by the SNP will be limited before they are booted out at the next election, perhaps some sanity might return then. Ah Mr stupid at his stupid best. Every post at least once a day is demented and unhinged ramblings. Everyone 100% wrong. I have met many unhinged stupid Englishmen. So full of hate that it affects there wellbeing. You take the biscuit. So let me give you a few facts about the SNP. and your drivel about damage. Which you have had a million times. But still rant the same drivel. What damage are you on about. Healthcare spending in Scotland is £2,368 per person, while in England it is £2,182. Scotland has 76 GPs per 100,000 people, compared to England with 60 per 100,000 .The number of patients spending over 12 hours in A&E was 0.2 per cent in Scotland, 2 per cent in England. Scottish nurses, Police Officers and firemen are the highest paid in the UK. NHS waiting times. 945,072 people waited more than 12 hours in England A&E departments. That’s 48 times larger than the figure for Scotland 19,667, There are 3.9 million children living in poverty in England . That's 27 per cent of children, or eight in a classroom of 30. In Scotland. Funded early learning and childcare is free to parents, but funded by the Scottish Government. You can get up to 1,140 hours of funded early learning and childcare a year (around 30 hours a week in term time) if your child is 3 or 4 years old. Some 2 year olds are also eligible. On top of the National UK payment. Scottish Child Payment is awarded if successful towards the costs of supporting family in poverty. . It's a weekly payment of £25 that you can get for every child who's under 16 years of age. The payment every 4 weeks. It does not cost the English tax payer one penny. Neither does devolved maters. Every new mother gets a baby box. Which can double up for a cot for those unable to afford one. More than one in five of the Englsih population (22%) are in poverty– 14.5 million people. Of these, 8.1 million are working-age adults, 4.3 million are children and 2.1 million are pensioners. Now would you care to correct that, instead of shooting the messenger. . In term of London. Nearly 30 per cent of Londoners live in poverty,according to the IFS, There are around around 8 million living in London. That equates to around the adult population of Scotland in poverty in London . Compared to 22 per cent across the UK generally. . In-work poverty has risen in the North to 3.5 million. Just a few to get on with. So would you care to point to all this damage to Scotland. And exactly in your constant hate filled drivel. What do you actually compare your drivel with. So instead of trying to make out how wonderful you are as idiotic statement maker, belching shite. Go to any post I have put up, anyone will do, and correct anything I have said. I realise on this thread the subject is way past your educational limits. But feel free to make a bigger prick of your self and correct anything I have said on this thread. I await with bated breath. I am still waiting on all this evidence you have that the former FM stole £600,000. Along with a link to where the incumbent FM gave Hamas money so his family could get out of Gaza. Jaydee buddy have you seen my threads in Scotland section. On Homeless in Scotland and the Heathcare Read and reply .be nice to have your thoughts. Especially on health care . Why does Scotland have the worst Mortality rate in Western Europe if not the Whole of Europe. Where's the money going ? |
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Post by om15 on Mar 26, 2024 17:24:25 GMT
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Post by om15 on Mar 26, 2024 17:27:32 GMT
Camper vans, Jaguar cars and other undisclosed personal assets.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 26, 2024 19:29:45 GMT
Yes, unlike you, I understand how it is worked out - which is why I know that not only is everything you write nonsense but most of it is irrelevant. And I have told where to find the evidence that England props up Scotland year upon year I.e. just google GERS reports for the last 15 years or so. When you do that you will also see that fiscal expenditure on Scotland by HM Government rose by £28 billion in the 10 year period you referred to in your original post when Scotland’s tax contribution only rose by half that amount. Let me make this nice and simple for you. And once you have read this. You explain to me how you think GERs is worked out. Because your drivel is clear and concise on that. You are clueless. Last year Did the UK government borrow £130 billion. See 1st link. Under present constitional arrangement is Scotland responsible for 8.4% of that debt.
That will come in at around £13 billion or so. The answer is yes. Did the Scottish Government borrow any of this money. Answer No. So right of without getting anything. Scotland has a £13 billion deficit. On something it cannot create. Explain how you make out it has. So instead just saying it. Show me where this £13 billion came to Scotland. To be spent by the Scots. Second time I have asked. It is a very simple question. And no you have not answered. .Because you cannot find the answer. Because it was never spent in Scotland. Because matey it is a statistic. The lot spent in bankrupt England Did the Latest GERs dictate that under present constitional arrangements Scotland with its 8.4% share of this and its 8.4 share of that shit, assets like oil, energy and gas are classed as UK assets. That is why I say treble it in reality. Contribute some £90 billion to the UK treasury. Let's settle for that. From that £90 billion. Did the Scottish government recieve back £41 billion of its own money, see 3rd link. That money was only 3.5% of the 8.4% of UK TOTAL PUBLIC EXPEDITURE. I I will explain what that means when your rant shite on how you conclude GERS is calculated. Who do you think you are trying to kid. I await the undiluted waffle on that one. That means. You explain to me how you think GERs is worked out. From that £41 billion did the Scottish Government underspent to the tune of £509 million. See 2nd link. . On which you are in total denial. And from all that. Can you tell me why you are rantring that the Scots were responsible for 60% of this deficit. That is what you are saying. The answer. You believe the shit which is a statistic. See 4th link. I have gone over all this a dozen times. I forgot to add. Debt servicing on bankrupt England's massive debt was £111 billion last year. . That is more than the defence budget. And that is just interest. Of which the Scots will have to pay some £10 billion on that. On a debt the Scot's did not need ask for or borrow. This matey is where all your bullshit is coming from. And for your info. At the end of Quarter 2 2023 the UK deficit was 18.1 percentage points above the EU average. So much for unicorns breeding in England. And how the world needs England more than England needs the world. Also for your info. There are many way of describing debt. The true English debt in cash terms is way over £2.9 trillion and rising at over £6000 per second. As you believe the shit being spewed by No 10 that the English economy is splendid by jove. FFS your idea of splendid and mines is poles apart. Nothing is getting through to you. You are in total denial. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50504151www.heraldscotland.com/news/23929511.scottish-government-records-509m-underspend/www.thenational.scot/news/24164921.scotlands-block-grant-lowest-since-devolution---snp/www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/08/21/the-gers-data-is-ludicrous-scotland-does-not-generate-60-of-the-uks-net-fiscal-deficit/I think GERS is worked out by 1. taking all of the strands of fiscal revenue raised by Scotland in a given year, adding them together, and arriving at the total amount of revenue raised, 2. taking all of the items of fiscal expenditure on Scotland in that same year, adding them together, and arriving at the total amount of money expended, and 3. deducting 2 from 1 to arrive at a notional deficit or surplus for that year. GERS doesn’t dictate anything, it just reports retrospectively on Scotland’s fiscal performance on an annual basis. Therefore the answer to your question “ Did the Latest GERs dictate that under present constitional arrangements Scotland with its 8.4% share of this and its 8.4 share of that shit, assets like oil, energy and gas are classed as UK assets” is no, it didn’t dictate that. That said, all of these things, if they are to be found in any part of the UK (including the Scottish part) are obviously UK assets. However, why you think that matters here is beyond me because all revenue generated from those and any other assets originating from Scotland are included in the revenue side of the GERS reports. It is entirely possible that the Scottish Government underspent in the year in question by the amount reported but so what? All money not spent in one year gets carried forward into the next and is spent in that year instead - so Scottish Government spends every penny of each year’s block grant, just not always in the year that it receives that block grant. There are some years where ScotGov spends more in that year than the amount of the block grant and other years when it spends less than the amount of the block grant. We can tell into which category a particular year falls by assessing whether the amount brought forward into a year at the start of that year is higher or lower than the amount carried forward at the end of that year from that year into the next. I didn’t rant, or even calmly express a view, that Scots were responsible for 60% of “ this deficit”, whatever it is that you mean by “this deficit”. If you mean the notional fiscal deficit then, if it is even appropriate to consider anyone “ responsible” you could argue that Scotland is at fault for being unable to raise enough revenue to meet the cost of the public services that it enjoys, or you could argue that the UK government is responsible and deserves praise for providing Scotland with considerably more in terms of public services than could be justified by reference to Scotland’s revenue raising capabilities alone. That’s all that I can answer here. The remainder of your deluge of drivel is just not relevant to GERS or the point at hand and/or is such nonsense that it merits wasting no time on answering. |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 28, 2024 9:52:28 GMT
Let me make this nice and simple for you. And once you have read this. You explain to me how you think GERs is worked out. Because your drivel is clear and concise on that. You are clueless. Last year Did the UK government borrow £130 billion. See 1st link. Under present constitional arrangement is Scotland responsible for 8.4% of that debt.
I think GERS is worked out by 1. taking all of the strands of fiscal revenue raised by Scotland in a given year, adding them together, and arriving at the total amount of revenue raised, 2. taking all of the items of fiscal expenditure on Scotland in that same year, adding them together, and arriving at the total amount of money expended, and 3. deducting 2 from 1 to arrive at a notional deficit or surplus for that year. GERS doesn’t dictate anything, it just reports retrospectively on Scotland’s fiscal performance on an annual basis. Therefore the answer to your question “ Did the Latest GERs dictate that under present constitional arrangements Scotland with its 8.4% share of this and its 8.4 share of that shit, assets like oil, energy and gas are classed as UK assets” is no, it didn’t dictate that. That said, all of these things, if they are to be found in any part of the UK (including the Scottish part) are obviously UK assets. However, why you think that matters here is beyond me because all revenue generated from those and any other assets originating from Scotland are included in the revenue side of the GERS reports. It is entirely possible that the Scottish Government underspent in the year in question by the amount reported but so what? All money not spent in one year gets carried forward into the next and is spent in that year instead - so Scottish Government spends every penny of each year’s block grant, just not always in the year that it receives that block grant. There are some years where ScotGov spends more in that year than the amount of the block grant and other years when it spends less than the amount of the block grant. We can tell into which category a particular year falls by assessing whether the amount brought forward into a year at the start of that year is higher or lower than the amount carried forward at the end of that year from that year into the next. I didn’t rant, or even calmly express a view, that Scots were responsible for 60% of “ this deficit”, whatever it is that you mean by “this deficit”. If you mean the notional fiscal deficit then, if it is even appropriate to consider anyone “ responsible” you could argue that Scotland is at fault for being unable to raise enough revenue to meet the cost of the public services that it enjoys, or you could argue that the UK government is responsible and deserves praise for providing Scotland with considerably more in terms of public services than could be justified by reference to Scotland’s revenue raising capabilities alone. That’s all that I can answer here. The remainder of your deluge of drivel is just not relevant to GERS or the point at hand and/or is such nonsense that it merits wasting no time on answering. Well first congratulations on actually answering question. And for once you are not ranting shite. Now realising GERS does not dictate anything, apart from utter havering slastering bollocks. You just have your thinking 100% wrong. As I suspected you did not have a clue. I was correct. GERs is based on UK TOTAL PUBLIC EXPEDITURE for the benefit of the UK and Scotish government. It is simple mathematical statistic devised by the English Tory's by adding together all the borrowing and spending of the UK government added to the borrowing and spending of all English local authorities In terms of the UK the Scottish government has no power to borrow. However Under the Fiscal Framework Agreement, the Scottish Government can borrow up to £3 billion cumulatively for capital expenditure, with an annual limit of £450 million. That total English borrowing and spending is then added to all the borrowing and spending of the Scottish Government and all the spending of all Scottish local authorities. That crude mechanism is used by the Treasury in the United Kingdom to automatically adjust the amounts of public expenditure required in England. From which a statistic is allocated to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to reflect changes in spending levels allocated to public services in England and Wales, as appropriate. That dictates the Scottish Block grant. How nice. Bankrupt English spending dicates how much Scotland gets back of its own money. Scotland as I have pointed out was even screwed on that. It received 3.5% of TOTAL UK PUBLIC EXPENDITURE. See 3rd link. If you had any sense of understanding basic economic. You will see where the drivel kicks in. First it does not dictate public expenditure or deficit in any of the English regions. All have at least twice the deficit of Scotland. Some such as the NE, NW and SW 0f England, Wales and NI have 3 times that so called deficit. Secondly can you tell m what the feck the £19 billion on Crossrail, the £35 billion on Hinkley point, the £100 billion and rising on the HSL, the £20 billion on the QE line, the £3 billion on free school meals for English children, and a million and one other English spending scenarios, has to do with Scotland. Not to mention the massive English debt, debt servicing, last year £111 billion on that debt. Which ends up with the absolute nonsensical guff below. Which clowns take as fact and actual money. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04033/ Take the spending and borrowing on London. It does not earn a penny. It is a collection point for all the wealth of the rest of the UK and around the world. Nothing more and nothing less. Inter alia, Scottish oil and gas is regarded as a UK asset. Take the London welfare bill. It is more than the defence budget. .. . The link below is over 10 years old. Last I checked it was around £50 billion. I cannot be arsed rechecking for you to dismiss. That is more than the Scottish block grant of Scotland's own money. It certainly was at the time. I have already told you a million times. Scotland is the only nation in the UK to pay its own way. What GERs is showing is a statistic of Scotland's place in the UK. Based on totally flawed economics. Not the economy of Scotland on its own. When it is. Bankrupt England will have to borrow £100 billion at a minimum, more than it does now, just to stand still. And Westminster knows it. As I have already told you. It shows money that is not spent in Scotland and has no benefit to Scotland. Or let me put it another way. If after 300 years of a Union and Scotland is the basket case. And the English are sooper dooper rich. Then it really is time to go. The stark reality bankrupt England is the economic basket case. Which energy rich Scotland can no longer afford. By the way. Everything that has happened to Scotland on the shit from Westminster it would happen, if Scotland left the UK. Has happened while Scotland was a member of the UK. Costing the Scottish economy billions. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04033/www.standard.co.uk/news/london/londons-ps36bn-benefits-bill-is-bigger-than-the-uks-whole-defence-budget-8623674.htmlwww.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pete-wishart-scotland-government-snp-scottish-government-b2507652.html |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 28, 2024 10:19:04 GMT
There is no “ now” about it; I have always realised that GERS does not dictate anything and have never claimed otherwise.. The fact that you seem to think otherwise is just a simple demonstration of your inability to read, process and understand. This inability, of course, amongst other things, renders you a waste of time to interact with.
GERS is not “based on UK TOTAL PUBLIC EXPEDITURE for the benefit of the UK and Scotish government”. As I said above it is based upon
1. taking all of the strands of fiscal revenue raised by Scotland in a given year, adding them together, and arriving at the total amount of revenue raised,
2. taking all of the items of fiscal expenditure on Scotland in that same year, adding them together, and arriving at the total amount of money expended, and
3. deducting 2 from 1 to arrive at a notional deficit or surplus for that year.
Scottish oil and gas is regarded as a UK asset because it is a UK asset.
Scotland gets nothing back of its own money because it is the UK’s money, not Scotland’s - and Scotland benefits from a lot more of that each year than it contributes.
i notice that you seem to have dropped your spurious long-term claim that ScotGov underspends every year. Has that particular penny finally dropped?
I have nothing more to add in response because the rest of your post is just a rambling, irrelevant, flawed mess.
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