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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 22, 2024 7:30:20 GMT
A country that is ruled by its courts is NOT a democracy because the judges are not elected by the people. The whole point of a democracy is that the govt (the executive) is elected and they make the laws and make the decisions based (usually on their manifesto). If the people don't like what they do they can be booted out. As for "we did in fact leave the EU" tell that to Northern Ireland - it was the UK that was meant to be leaving the EU. They still have to abide by EU rules while having no say in them. And we still have virtually ALL the EU laws and rules enshrined in our legal system - despite promises to delete them. And the fact remains that the "surrender Act" (the Benn act) meant the only way we could leave the EU was to agree to the EU's terms - and these were less than ideal. All the Labour party have to do is agree with the EU that we will maintain dynamic alignment and we're basically back in the EU - but with no rights. We'd be a voteless colony. This could easily happen because of the deal we were forced to agree. You don't seem to understand the basics of how this country operates. A country whose government is not held in check by the rule of law is not a democracy either - it is a tyranny. All The Best But, as I said, there's a fine line between interpreting a law and making a new law. Many believe that the judges are now making new laws. Lord Sumption said that the Supreme Court made new law when it prevented the prorogation of Parliament. And the ECHR makes new law with many of its decisions. The original charter of human rights was reasonable - it's the "case law" that gradually accumulates after each crazy decision that's made it so erratic. And a pro-Remain Parliament, together with a pro-Remain Speaker, conspired to make it impossible for the UK to leave the EU on our own terms. Democracy has been lost because of Lawfare. Just wait until the Rwanda bill eventually gets made law. As I said there will then be a wall of human rights lawyers waiting to use legal aid (paid for by the tax payer) to prevent any of them being deported. That's NOT democracy. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 22, 2024 9:01:29 GMT
A country whose government is not held in check by the rule of law is not a democracy either - it is a tyranny. All The Best But, as I said, there's a fine line between interpreting a law and making a new law. Many believe that the judges are now making new laws. Lord Sumption said that the Supreme Court made new law when it prevented the prorogation of Parliament. And the ECHR makes new law with many of its decisions. The original charter of human rights was reasonable - it's the "case law" that gradually accumulates after each crazy decision that's made it so erratic. And a pro-Remain Parliament, together with a pro-Remain Speaker, conspired to make it impossible for the UK to leave the EU on our own terms. Democracy has been lost because of Lawfare. Just wait until the Rwanda bill eventually gets made law. As I said there will then be a wall of human rights lawyers waiting to use legal aid (paid for by the tax payer) to prevent any of them being deported. That's NOT democracy. An he is wholly impartial right? Oh, no, wait, he isn't - he has an axe to grind. Even worse it is a non-existent axe: the people voted for Brexit, the people got Brexit. I voted FOR Brexit; but I was never once stupid enough to think we'd be able to leave wholly on our own terms, anyone who thought that really has no idea of how the modern world works. Part of the reason I voted FOR Brexit was because I felt we needed better checks and balances on Immigration. But Rwanda was a stupid idea, that was never really going to get off the ground, and was never going to address Immigration anyway. Why? Because LEGAL Immigration is the REAL problem. 2023 Illegal Immigration: 36,704. 2023 Legal Immigration: 1,200,000 Spot the problem? The Tories are trying to fool you into thinking they want to do something about immigration, by implementing policy they knew was going to fail (it was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that Rwanda was not a safe country to send illegal immigrants to) that only targeted 3% of the problem. Meanwhile they do ABSOLUTEY NOTHING about 97% of the problem; because their real paymasters (big business, NOT the electorate) want, and NEED, more immigration. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2024 10:34:24 GMT
A country whose government is not held in check by the rule of law is not a democracy either - it is a tyranny. All The Best But, as I said, there's a fine line between interpreting a law and making a new law. Many believe that the judges are now making new laws. Lord Sumption said that the Supreme Court made new law when it prevented the prorogation of Parliament. And the ECHR makes new law with many of its decisions. The original charter of human rights was reasonable - it's the "case law" that gradually accumulates after each crazy decision that's made it so erratic. And a pro-Remain Parliament, together with a pro-Remain Speaker, conspired to make it impossible for the UK to leave the EU on our own terms. Democracy has been lost because of Lawfare. Just wait until the Rwanda bill eventually gets made law. As I said there will then be a wall of human rights lawyers waiting to use legal aid (paid for by the tax payer) to prevent any of them being deported. That's NOT democracy. Apparently, he isn't interested in your argument and is clearly just trying to shit talk you with his waffle as an avoidance strategy. He basically tells us he believes the Tories are stupid and uses that to support the dictatorship of judges. He then claims to be supporting democracy by going against what the people have been voting for.
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 22, 2024 20:08:19 GMT
But, as I said, there's a fine line between interpreting a law and making a new law. Many believe that the judges are now making new laws. Lord Sumption said that the Supreme Court made new law when it prevented the prorogation of Parliament. And the ECHR makes new law with many of its decisions. The original charter of human rights was reasonable - it's the "case law" that gradually accumulates after each crazy decision that's made it so erratic. And a pro-Remain Parliament, together with a pro-Remain Speaker, conspired to make it impossible for the UK to leave the EU on our own terms. Democracy has been lost because of Lawfare. Just wait until the Rwanda bill eventually gets made law. As I said there will then be a wall of human rights lawyers waiting to use legal aid (paid for by the tax payer) to prevent any of them being deported. That's NOT democracy. Apparently, he isn't interested in your argument and is clearly just trying to shit talk you with his waffle as an avoidance strategy. He basically tells us he believes the Tories are stupid and uses that to support the dictatorship of judges. He then claims to be supporting democracy by going against what the people have been voting for.
Apparently he's been at work since 9am this morning and had no time to waste on trolls who use images of racists as their avatar. Truth sucks eh? Where have I advocated ignoring the will of the people? In fact I mentioned that I supported Brexit, the will of the people supported Brexit, and we ACTUALLY GOT Brexit. So do piss off with the weak-sauce attacks that are intellectually beneath my dog. All The Best |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 23, 2024 8:08:48 GMT
But, as I said, there's a fine line between interpreting a law and making a new law. Many believe that the judges are now making new laws. Lord Sumption said that the Supreme Court made new law when it prevented the prorogation of Parliament. And the ECHR makes new law with many of its decisions. The original charter of human rights was reasonable - it's the "case law" that gradually accumulates after each crazy decision that's made it so erratic. And a pro-Remain Parliament, together with a pro-Remain Speaker, conspired to make it impossible for the UK to leave the EU on our own terms. Democracy has been lost because of Lawfare. Just wait until the Rwanda bill eventually gets made law. As I said there will then be a wall of human rights lawyers waiting to use legal aid (paid for by the tax payer) to prevent any of them being deported. That's NOT democracy. An he is wholly impartial right? Oh, no, wait, he isn't - he has an axe to grind. Even worse it is a non-existent axe: the people voted for Brexit, the people got Brexit. I voted FOR Brexit; but I was never once stupid enough to think we'd be able to leave wholly on our own terms, anyone who thought that really has no idea of how the modern world works. Part of the reason I voted FOR Brexit was because I felt we needed better checks and balances on Immigration. But Rwanda was a stupid idea, that was never really going to get off the ground, and was never going to address Immigration anyway. Why? Because LEGAL Immigration is the REAL problem. 2023 Illegal Immigration: 36,704. 2023 Legal Immigration: 1,200,000 Spot the problem? The Tories are trying to fool you into thinking they want to do something about immigration, by implementing policy they knew was going to fail (it was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that Rwanda was not a safe country to send illegal immigrants to) that only targeted 3% of the problem. Meanwhile they do ABSOLUTEY NOTHING about 97% of the problem; because their real paymasters (big business, NOT the electorate) want, and NEED, more immigration. All The Best The people did NOT get Brexit. As I said Northern Ireland is still in the EU to all intents and purposes and is divided from the rest of the UK with a customs border. And what happened was that the Speaker and the opposition parties passed a law which made it impossible for the UK to leave the EU without the permission of the EU. That's what I call treason. It's nothing to do with "How the modern world works". The modern world fights battles (usually) via trade negotiations, but our Parliament surrendered in the trade talks. Legal immigration is a problem of course, but in theory they're people we need and who have been checked. And it's due to Sunak that so many are being let in - he said that he'd issue more visas to Indians. The illegals are potentially much more dangerous because we KNOW that the likes of ISIS are getting their "footsoldiers" into the UK via the boats. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 23, 2024 8:42:41 GMT
An he is wholly impartial right? Oh, no, wait, he isn't - he has an axe to grind. Even worse it is a non-existent axe: the people voted for Brexit, the people got Brexit. I voted FOR Brexit; but I was never once stupid enough to think we'd be able to leave wholly on our own terms, anyone who thought that really has no idea of how the modern world works. Part of the reason I voted FOR Brexit was because I felt we needed better checks and balances on Immigration. But Rwanda was a stupid idea, that was never really going to get off the ground, and was never going to address Immigration anyway. Why? Because LEGAL Immigration is the REAL problem. 2023 Illegal Immigration: 36,704. 2023 Legal Immigration: 1,200,000 Spot the problem? The Tories are trying to fool you into thinking they want to do something about immigration, by implementing policy they knew was going to fail (it was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that Rwanda was not a safe country to send illegal immigrants to) that only targeted 3% of the problem. Meanwhile they do ABSOLUTEY NOTHING about 97% of the problem; because their real paymasters (big business, NOT the electorate) want, and NEED, more immigration. All The Best The people did NOT get Brexit. Are we still in the EU? No! So stop making silly arguments; my dog can do better. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 23, 2024 8:44:31 GMT
An he is wholly impartial right? Oh, no, wait, he isn't - he has an axe to grind. Even worse it is a non-existent axe: the people voted for Brexit, the people got Brexit. I voted FOR Brexit; but I was never once stupid enough to think we'd be able to leave wholly on our own terms, anyone who thought that really has no idea of how the modern world works. Part of the reason I voted FOR Brexit was because I felt we needed better checks and balances on Immigration. But Rwanda was a stupid idea, that was never really going to get off the ground, and was never going to address Immigration anyway. Why? Because LEGAL Immigration is the REAL problem. 2023 Illegal Immigration: 36,704. 2023 Legal Immigration: 1,200,000 Spot the problem? The Tories are trying to fool you into thinking they want to do something about immigration, by implementing policy they knew was going to fail (it was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that Rwanda was not a safe country to send illegal immigrants to) that only targeted 3% of the problem. Meanwhile they do ABSOLUTEY NOTHING about 97% of the problem; because their real paymasters (big business, NOT the electorate) want, and NEED, more immigration. All The Best Legal immigration is a problem of course, but in theory they're people we need and who have been checked. And it's due to Sunak that so many are being let in - he said that he'd issue more visas to Indians. The illegals are potentially much more dangerous because we KNOW that the likes of ISIS are getting their "footsoldiers" into the UK via the boats. No it isn't. Every Tory PM since Brexit has presided over record levels of immigration - including St Boris The Liar. All The Best |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 9:30:05 GMT
Apparently, he isn't interested in your argument and is clearly just trying to shit talk you with his waffle as an avoidance strategy. He basically tells us he believes the Tories are stupid and uses that to support the dictatorship of judges. He then claims to be supporting democracy by going against what the people have been voting for.
Apparently he's been at work since 9am this morning and had no time to waste on trolls who use images of racists as their avatar. Truth sucks eh? Where have I advocated ignoring the will of the people? In fact I mentioned that I supported Brexit, the will of the people supported Brexit, and we ACTUALLY GOT Brexit. So do piss off with the weak-sauce attacks that are intellectually beneath my dog. All The Best I know better than to believe a cringy liar, which is why I won't even bother to ask you to show us the proof that Starkey has been convicted of racism.
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