|
|
Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 13:15:29 GMT
You just talk blar blar blar and it does not make sense. watch the video, understand it and then come back and tell me that is a bloody amazing project. If you can't do that then show me a video of the Brits doing something far more impressive engineering-wise. UK Engineers and Engineering is world famous....start with an F1 grid and work up in size from there....you don't need to get too jealous of the UK and it's abilities....errmmmm....who were the main designers and structural/seismic engineers for the Birdsnest Staduim...Brits wasn't it...? The birds nest is designed by the Swiss. Still I don't get what in that compares to this railway line. Those mountains they bored through were full of water as well. |
|
|
|
Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 13:29:40 GMT
UK Engineers and Engineering is world famous....start with an F1 grid and work up in size from there....you don't need to get too jealous of the UK and it's abilities....errmmmm....who were the main designers and structural/seismic engineers for the Birdsnest Staduim...Brits wasn't it...? The birds nest is designed by the Swiss. Still I don't get what in that compares to this railway line. Those mountains they bored through were full of water as well. Was talking about the structural design and engineering not the drawing of it...Hertzog were awarded the "artistic" design...how they wanted it to look the Brits translated that in the engineering design; building structure and foundation, seismology and all points north from there... As I said don't get too jealous of the Brits and their engineering prowess...of the top 10 structural engineering companies in the world...UK has 3....how many do you think China has? |
|
|
|
Post by johnofgwent on Mar 20, 2024 13:33:30 GMT
Try working in the oxygen 3km up the Himalayas.
I believe your scoffing is lack of understanding. You think it is all propaganda so you don't try and understand what goes on.
One incredibly stupid suggestion you made earlier was that "I get that you have relatives there who will disappear to a death camp if you don't push the line Xi demands".
That is completely bongo bongo land thinking.
The truth of the matter was I got interested in China way back around 2005 time when I was buying some stuff for the boat we had which came from China. I noticed back then they were getting rather clever and proficient in the manufacturing. I realised then China would become a big and powerful economy in time. My interest is out of respect for their achievements, not fear. That's just bloody ridiculous. It was pure coincidence my brother later on ended up marrying a Chinese woman. They had not even met by the time I was a keen shopper in China. This was the second phase, as in getting to know them through business. They did a good job and were extremely keen to please. The customer service was like nothing I had experienced in this country. This country was simultaneously going to the dogs.
Do you mean 3km above sea level or 3km above the base of the himalayan plateau. The plateau is ON AVERAGE 13,000 feet, 4000 metres, 4km with the Nepal base camp at 18,000 feet according to my drinking pals Trev and Derek who've BEEN there (but a few feet less - 5,364 metres according to wiki) but the only thing anyone is building up there is a runway for the most insane airline in the world.
I've no particuar desire to experience it now, but decades before the Chinese Pox destroyed my lung function, as a visitor among a contingent from the biochemical society at Loughborough Uni for a seminar I took up their invitation to connect myself to their oxygen uptake monitoring gear for a stroll on the treadmill. I had not long given up 10K running for the hell of it, but it became clear fairly quickly something was not normal.....
Turns out i've got genetic quirks that mean i'm not quite as good as a sherpa, but not far off, when it comes to handling long term hypoxia, so actually, it might be interesting to see how i go. As you are almost certainly aware older aircraft pressurise to 10k, newer ones to 8k, and while either might quite easily have killed me after the stroke when my lungs were completey shot, my flight to Croatia last year showed absolutely zero change in oxygen saturation as we reached cruising altitude, which means my hypoxia buffering is back at least as far as minimal exercise at altitude is concerned.
As I've mentioned before, my exposure to the Chinese is pretty exclusively limited to dealing with the assault the party member's minder's doctored iphones had on our IT networks when party officials accompanied the chinese playboy visiting the factory he bought up so he could source genuine JLR parts for his knockoff range rovers with Peugeot Tractor Engines where i worked for a year or so prior to its closure after the pox destroyed the automotive sector, so i see a different sample of the chinese population and party than you might.
|
|
|
|
Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 13:34:45 GMT
UK Engineers and Engineering is world famous....start with an F1 grid and work up in size from there....you don't need to get too jealous of the UK and it's abilities....errmmmm....who were the main designers and structural/seismic engineers for the Birdsnest Staduim...Brits wasn't it...? The birds nest is designed by the Swiss. Still I don't get what in that compares to this railway line. Those mountains they bored through were full of water as well. ...it's a tunnel...it's a railway...nothing special....it's merely a function of money not of engineering |
|
|
|
Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 14:35:29 GMT
Try working in the oxygen 3km up the Himalayas.
I believe your scoffing is lack of understanding. You think it is all propaganda so you don't try and understand what goes on.
One incredibly stupid suggestion you made earlier was that "I get that you have relatives there who will disappear to a death camp if you don't push the line Xi demands".
That is completely bongo bongo land thinking.
The truth of the matter was I got interested in China way back around 2005 time when I was buying some stuff for the boat we had which came from China. I noticed back then they were getting rather clever and proficient in the manufacturing. I realised then China would become a big and powerful economy in time. My interest is out of respect for their achievements, not fear. That's just bloody ridiculous. It was pure coincidence my brother later on ended up marrying a Chinese woman. They had not even met by the time I was a keen shopper in China. This was the second phase, as in getting to know them through business. They did a good job and were extremely keen to please. The customer service was like nothing I had experienced in this country. This country was simultaneously going to the dogs.
Do you mean 3km above sea level or 3km above the base of the himalayan plateau. The plateau is ON AVERAGE 13,000 feet, 4000 metres, 4km with the Nepal base camp at 18,000 feet according to my drinking pals Trev and Derek who've BEEN there (but a few feet less - 5,364 metres according to wiki) but the only thing anyone is building up there is a runway for the most insane airline in the world.
I've no particuar desire to experience it now, but decades before the Chinese Pox destroyed my lung function, as a visitor among a contingent from the biochemical society at Loughborough Uni for a seminar I took up their invitation to connect myself to their oxygen uptake monitoring gear for a stroll on the treadmill. I had not long given up 10K running for the hell of it, but it became clear fairly quickly something was not normal.....
Turns out i've got genetic quirks that mean i'm not quite as good as a sherpa, but not far off, when it comes to handling long term hypoxia, so actually, it might be interesting to see how i go. As you are almost certainly aware older aircraft pressurise to 10k, newer ones to 8k, and while either might quite easily have killed me after the stroke when my lungs were completey shot, my flight to Croatia last year showed absolutely zero change in oxygen saturation as we reached cruising altitude, which means my hypoxia buffering is back at least as far as minimal exercise at altitude is concerned.
As I've mentioned before, my exposure to the Chinese is pretty exclusively limited to dealing with the assault the party member's minder's doctored iphones had on our IT networks when party officials accompanied the chinese playboy visiting the factory he bought up so he could source genuine JLR parts for his knockoff range rovers with Peugeot Tractor Engines where i worked for a year or so prior to its closure after the pox destroyed the automotive sector, so i see a different sample of the chinese population and party than you might.
Hinckley Point, HS2...
Why if we were such amazing engineers do we never get it on time and on budget?
This country should stop boasting and start working on improving its own game. I get sick of this constant criticism of other countries and how bad they are. You realise that was the ruse of the soviets and why they kept everyone in the dark regarding the West. Well it is now British soviets harping on about Chinese capitalists, who often don't argue back because they are busy working!
Not on the legendary British tea break.
|
|
|
|
Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 15:24:07 GMT
The birds nest is designed by the Swiss. Still I don't get what in that compares to this railway line. Those mountains they bored through were full of water as well. ...it's a tunnel...it's a railway...nothing special....it's merely a function of money not of engineering Watch the video and then you will know what it entails. There are some other videos I've seen on it as well. It's not just one tunnel but tunnels and huge spanning bridges hundreds of feet above the ground all the way. Then look at the machinery they use and compare to the way they build HS2.
Anyway, it is not just me who thinks China are world leaders in civil engineering of roads and railways. They have got very good at it in the last few years, probably down to the number of commissions they have taken on, e.g. the BRI work. They do civil engineering projects all over the place, and a lot in Africa.
The stadium you talk about was 2003 so back then they were still learning, and it is true they have used a lot of Western architects, e.g. the Shanghai Tower, which is the real innovative architecture in my view.
|
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2024 15:50:19 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 16:09:47 GMT
Vinny
You forget the UK prisons are overflowing now. They are having to let people out early. Why do you suppose that is?
|
|
|
|
Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 16:14:45 GMT
Vinny You forget the UK prisons are overflowing now. They are having to let people out early. Why do you suppose that is? ...as opposed to just killing them like they do in China....  .....sorry that was opportunistic....and off topic.....and many other things |
|
|
|
Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 16:42:31 GMT
Vinny You forget the UK prisons are overflowing now. They are having to let people out early. Why do you suppose that is? ...as opposed to just killing them like they do in China.... .....sorry that was opportunistic....and off topic.....and many other things This is what we know:
Now of course if all you people in tears about how many China kills, I'd take you seriously if you at least paid similar attention to Vietnam and Singapore. Of course you don't and I know exactly why that is.
|
|
|
|
Post by thescotsman on Mar 20, 2024 17:00:27 GMT
...as opposed to just killing them like they do in China.... .....sorry that was opportunistic....and off topic.....and many other things This is what we know:
Now of course if all you people in tears about how many China kills, I'd take you seriously if you at least paid similar attention to Vietnam and Singapore. Of course you don't and I know exactly why that is.
meh...I'm not that squeamish about the death penalty as such, as long as it's imposed by a competent court with a competent judiciary and legal system to challenge decisions....it's those countries that just undertake killing people behind closed doors for being the wrong ethnicity, religion or for political reasons that kindda thing....sort of like the Chinese with those Uyghurs types....that just sucks.... |
|
|
|
Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 20, 2024 18:34:14 GMT
Looks like President Xi … soon got to work in 2013 … sorting out some of his billionaire gangsters These guys were pretty nasty … an interesting story about the ‘colourful’ Liu brother billionaires … who were executed in Feb 2015. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Han#:~:text=The%20Liu%20brothers%20were%20tried,forfeit%20all%20of%20his%20assets. You need an effective prison system … and tough Law and Order … to cope with some of the gangsters out there. … It’s not a job for ‘snowflakes’ or Guardian readers, Vinny. That was the WEST’s main failure … not clinically rounding up the Zionist/Deep State/Arab Cooperative that engineered 9/11 … now Vinny’s mobsters are ‘in control’ of NATO … which is why the West is in a TOTAL MESS + on the brink of nuclear war. … naturally, Vinny’s not listening …. his audio doesn’t work. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2024 18:47:36 GMT
Xi is not President. To be President you need to be elected. Xi is DICTATOR and you love dictatorships.
Funny how someone so "against" conspiracies doesn't mind when dictators mass murder / imprison political prisoners.
|
|
|
|
Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2024 19:05:33 GMT
This is what we know:
Now of course if all you people in tears about how many China kills, I'd take you seriously if you at least paid similar attention to Vietnam and Singapore. Of course you don't and I know exactly why that is.
meh...I'm not that squeamish about the death penalty as such, as long as it's imposed by a competent court with a competent judiciary and legal system to challenge decisions....it's those countries that just undertake killing people behind closed doors for being the wrong ethnicity, religion or for political reasons that kindda thing....sort of like the Chinese with those Uyghurs types....that just sucks.... In China it is generally used for crimes of murder. It is also supported by the people, so that's the other common error, to think the government are some kind of dictators doing all this agaisnt their people. East Asian countries are quite similar in this regard. It's just with China the evil US wants to engage in some kind of military situation over Taiwan. The thing is it is not the president who makes these decisions. They are made in Georgetown in New York, the residences of the three letter agencies. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2024 19:32:33 GMT
It's also used for the crimes of thought, for the crimes of political dissent, for the crimes of free expression.
Basically anything the dictatorship does not like, they either throw you into a concentration camp and torture you, or they murder you.
It's absurd to try to defend this insanity after so many millions have been killed off by it.
|
|
.....sorry that was opportunistic....and off topic.....and many other things