Does the West need China’s economic ‘death penalty vans’??

I don't know if this is a bit tongue in cheek, but if you look at your graph, the Independent has used the same one with a few tweaks for just about everything they can think of to put in China in a bad light, on the other hand if true, then western governments are already deep in the surveillance state option. I will hear people say things like everybody thinks there were better times, but they never were, the difference is people can remember times that you had much more freedom from a state that didn't want to control everything you say and do from a central government perspective, the US has so many internal and external security agencies and private contractors they probably make China look second rate anyway.

My local ‘death van’!🤔?



Maybe graphs illustrated in the video … like this earlier one from 2014 … should reflect a % executed in relation to population numbers?



I think China’s figure is still high … but that’s because they have a much wider range of offences that qualify for the death penalty than any other country.

… the Government there gets a higher approval rating from the Public for a tough approach to Law and Order

… and they respect life and victim loss better in China

… they are not rolling with the idea you should be getting clemency and multiple chances to kill multiple times before intervention

…. It takes ages for one or two States in America to finally say … after years of v. expensive incarceration … “time to die you b————-d.

…. The U.S./EU/UK and Commonwealth are forced by a vocal bullying minority in Human Rights Groups …. who exercise more hand-wringing twisted compassion for the serial killers … than any of the victims … or their devastated families. [We need to protect especially women and children with the strongest cost budget measures].

…. it’s a twisted mentality and morality that applies to many of their lawyers too … making a packet out of tax-payers … stringing out a process we can no longer afford.

….. they are trying desperately to return psychopaths back into our once safe Communities … in order to generate more work and revenue streams for all these religious ‘forgiveness’ zealots and Leftist social workers/campaigners ~ whose only focus in life is to try and pretend they are ‘enlightened’ amongst all the suffering and chaos they create.

…. It’s refreshing to see the Chinese are growing more civilised and sophisticated than the Muslims who still cling to gross Public executions and ritual punishment to act as a deterrent.

As the OP video says … the Authorities seem to be wisely internally hyping these vans to the max … the result being a v. strong psychological deterrent … relatively good adherence to Law and Order … probably reflected in a healthy drop in the murder stats … as we saw in El Salvador’s drastic improvements.

Hand-wringing humanitarians should focus more on the latest crime index/murder rate charts … and spend more time on REAL victim support … not perpetrator support.



As you can see in 2022 … the ‘death van’ MK Ultra psyops programme seems to be a remedy that works and keeps a crowded country like China … much safer than Britain, the U.S and France.🤔

Stats can be manipulated to say what you want Vinny … there were loads of charts to choose from … measuring murder, shootings etc … I chose the crime index one because it had the latest data … but only up to 2022.

Many charts had El Salvador at the top of Central and S.American shootings when I knew they had gone 180° the other way … and were recently measured as one of the safer countries in their region today.

Older charts showed crime in China at higher levels than UK … which seemed a bit odd … and out of date.

If you can find a range of crime/murder/shootings charts from the end of 2023 … be my guest and drop them … I struggled to find one … but my research skills are only average.
Some countries no longer supply data … as it might affect their tourist revenue!🤫

… there is no doubt ‘dissident’ deaths in both Russia and China are high … and your main focus wanting to score ‘propaganda points’ … but here we were looking at the overall deterrent effect of these tough programmes on all Chinese people … mentioning El Salvador’s uber-prison approach too … in comparison. … the huge cost of a large gangster prison population that needs to be incarcerated for many many years.

… will they get tougher still … and follow China’s lead?

This thread is mostly about China, Vinny … you made your points before. .. please stay on topic.

that's assuming the building is still standing and hasn't collapsed when one returns....or the phone was just left because it never worked in the first place....or the owner wasn't swallowed by a pot hole opening in the road! That and many other hazardous considerations of living in China....

I think if one left ones phone in a cafe in London, the chances are the next customer would hand it in to the staff.....in any case.....at least the cafe would still be standing.


 

China is now considered world leaders in civil engineering. They built a 1000m line 3000m above sea level through the Himalayan mountains. Have you any idea how difficult that is? Go and find out for yourself.