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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 14:36:21 GMT
Meanwhile in Scotland UPDATED Scottish deficit in 2023–24 'revised up from £9bn to closer to £18bn' 3rd April 2023 GERS By Andrew Learmonth @andrewlearmonth Journalist IFS: Scottish deficit in 2023–24 'revised up from £9bn to closer to £18bn' IFS: Scottish deficit in 2023–24 'revised up from £9bn to closer to £18bn' Scotland’s notional deficit could be about £1,300 per person higher than the UK as a whole due to the impact of falling oil and gas prices, according to analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS). In their latest forecast, the thinktank warns of a "notable deterioration in the outlook for Scotland’s public finances," and says "tax rises or spending cuts would likely need to be even larger" after independence its a terrible advert for your union isnt it , after three centuries , you still can't get the Scottish economy running smoothly and running well. Its your parliament that controls almost all of the levers that power Scotlands economy .Holyrood wasn't designed to do so. More Devious lies from you Westminster has little control how Holyrood spend the money even though the English tax payer pays for most of it. collected across the whole of the UK. The Scottish Government and Local Authorities manage the majority of Scotland’s public spending using devolved taxes and the Block Grant. In 2022-23, the UK Government managed around 41% of Scotland’s public sector spending. How much public spending and revenue is there for Scotland? During 2022-23 tax revenue generated in Scotland, including North Sea oil revenues, amounted to £87.5 billion (8.6% of UK total). During the same period, Scotland benefited from about £106.6 billion in public spending (9.2% of UK total). These were both more than Scotland’s 8.2% population share of the UK. As a result Scotland’s total deficit was £19.1 billion or 9% of its total GDP, while the UK-wide deficit was 5.2% of UK GDP. In 2022-23 the Energy Profits Levy and energy price increases resulting from the war in Ukraine meant Scotland’s North Sea public sector revenues hit a record-high of £9.4 billion. As a result public revenue per person in Scotland was £696 higher than the UK average. At the same time, public spending per person in Scotland was £2,217 higher than the UK average. This means that, even with record-high revenues from the North Sea, people in Scotland continue to benefit from pooling and sharing resources across the UK, with a net dividend of £1,521 for each and every person in Scotland. Block Grant funding for the Scottish Government is the highest since devolution began at around £41 billion a year for 2022-2025. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland. This higher funding means the Scottish Government receives over £8 billion more funding each year than if it received the levels of UK Government spending per person elsewhere in the UK. This reflects the additional costs of delivering public services in Scotland. Greater public spending for Scotland is possible because the UK pools and shares resources across the entire country. This system of sharing resources means the whole UK can tackle challenges together. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 14:43:20 GMT
You seem to like pointing to the world wide recession that just shows how Devious you are the reality is something You are blind to reality. The case for Blair is that the economy has grown in a steady and uninterrupted manner for a decade, with falling unemployment, low inflation and rising living standards. Help has been provided for the less well-off through the minimum wage and tax credits; large-scale investment in schools and hospitals has been made possible by the absence of the sort of financial crisis that hobbled previous labour government. are you actually reading my posts? Blairs labour left unemployment higher than when they found it. That is a fact. he failed the working classes , and failed to stop inequality increasing. How Blairism Failed the Working Class
Despite pursuing a number of redistributive policies, Blair's Labour government left the fundamental architecture of Thatcher's economy in place – and failed to break the cycle of deepening inequality.tribunemag.co.uk/2021/04/did-blairism-workLike I said more devious lies by you Pointing to the 2007 recession. U.K. Unemployment Hits Record Low, Giving Blair Chance to Push Ahead By Marc ChampionStaff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal July 13, 2000 2:53 am ET LONDON -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair launched a campaign to revive his battered political fortunes, helped by falling jobless figures and the country's highest rate of working-age employment since records began. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:46:02 GMT
its a terrible advert for your union isnt it , after three centuries , you still can't get the Scottish economy running smoothly and running well. Its your parliament that controls almost all of the levers that power Scotlands economy .Holyrood wasn't designed to do so. More Devious lies from you Westminster has little control how Holyrood spend the money even though the English tax payer pays for most of it. collected across the whole of the UK. The Scottish Government and Local Authorities manage the majority of Scotland’s public spending using devolved taxes and the Block Grant. In 2022-23, the UK Government managed around 41% of Scotland’s public sector spending. How much public spending and revenue is there for Scotland? During 2022-23 tax revenue generated in Scotland, including North Sea oil revenues, amounted to £87.5 billion (8.6% of UK total). During the same period, Scotland benefited from about £106.6 billion in public spending (9.2% of UK total). These were both more than Scotland’s 8.2% population share of the UK. As a result Scotland’s total deficit was £19.1 billion or 9% of its total GDP, while the UK-wide deficit was 5.2% of UK GDP. In 2022-23 the Energy Profits Levy and energy price increases resulting from the war in Ukraine meant Scotland’s North Sea public sector revenues hit a record-high of £9.4 billion. As a result public revenue per person in Scotland was £696 higher than the UK average. At the same time, public spending per person in Scotland was £2,217 higher than the UK average. This means that, even with record-high revenues from the North Sea, people in Scotland continue to benefit from pooling and sharing resources across the UK, with a net dividend of £1,521 for each and every person in Scotland. Block Grant funding for the Scottish Government is the highest since devolution began at around £41 billion a year for 2022-2025. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland. This higher funding means the Scottish Government receives over £8 billion more funding each year than if it received the levels of UK Government spending per person elsewhere in the UK. This reflects the additional costs of delivering public services in Scotland. Greater public spending for Scotland is possible because the UK pools and shares resources across the entire country. This system of sharing resources means the whole UK can tackle challenges together. eh? Westminster takes all of Scotlands revenue , and then hands a small part back to us for us to spend on devolved issues. We are forced to pay for debt that westmsinter runs up ,contribute to London cross rail , and hs2 , and alcohol duty on a bottle of our own whiskey is around 73% of the price which goes to your treasury. in 2010 , 2011 , and 2012 for example , new labour left the tory coalition with a deficit that was bigger than anything attributed to scotland , yet no one said the uk wasn't a viable independent country . Have you seen the latest Scottish polls where labour are dropping badly lefty? im guessing that's why you are upset. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 14:46:38 GMT
are you actually reading my posts? Blairs labour left unemployment higher than when they found it. That is a fact. he failed the working classes , and failed to stop inequality increasing. How Blairism Failed the Working Class
Despite pursuing a number of redistributive policies, Blair's Labour government left the fundamental architecture of Thatcher's economy in place – and failed to break the cycle of deepening inequality.tribunemag.co.uk/2021/04/did-blairism-workLike I said more devious lies by you Pointing to the 2007 recession. U.K. Unemployment Hits Record Low, Giving Blair Chance to Push Ahead By Marc ChampionStaff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal July 13, 2000 2:53 am ET LONDON -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair launched a campaign to revive his battered political fortunes, helped by falling jobless figures and the country's highest rate of working-age employment since records began. lefty I didnt write the article. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 15:20:58 GMT
Like I said more devious lies by you Pointing to the 2007 recession. U.K. Unemployment Hits Record Low, Giving Blair Chance to Push Ahead By Marc ChampionStaff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal July 13, 2000 2:53 am ET LONDON -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair launched a campaign to revive his battered political fortunes, helped by falling jobless figures and the country's highest rate of working-age employment since records began. lefty I didnt write the article. No but you use it to try and force your lie even after I told you its a far left Publication and like I said during the period between 1997 -2007 a 10yr span he chose 2007 .the recession period |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 15:27:20 GMT
lefty I didnt write the article. No but you use it to try and force your lie even after I told you its a far left Publication and like I said during the period between 1997 -2007 a 10yr span he chose 2007 .the recession period I use it? Of course ive used it. Are you now saying anyone who is critical of your dear leader Tony Blair should be banned from posting ? I can't help the fact many folk are extremely critical of Tony Blair , and new labours invented myths about his time in power. The public in England and scotland obviously agree with both me. , and this author regarding new labour , otherwise we wouldnt have kept them out of power 17 years in scotland , and 14 years in England respectively. Your man starmer isnt well liked in scotland at all ..  |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 15:44:45 GMT
More Devious lies from you Westminster has little control how Holyrood spend the money even though the English tax payer pays for most of it. collected across the whole of the UK. The Scottish Government and Local Authorities manage the majority of Scotland’s public spending using devolved taxes and the Block Grant. In 2022-23, the UK Government managed around 41% of Scotland’s public sector spending. How much public spending and revenue is there for Scotland? During 2022-23 tax revenue generated in Scotland, including North Sea oil revenues, amounted to £87.5 billion (8.6% of UK total). During the same period, Scotland benefited from about £106.6 billion in public spending (9.2% of UK total). These were both more than Scotland’s 8.2% population share of the UK. As a result Scotland’s total deficit was £19.1 billion or 9% of its total GDP, while the UK-wide deficit was 5.2% of UK GDP. In 2022-23 the Energy Profits Levy and energy price increases resulting from the war in Ukraine meant Scotland’s North Sea public sector revenues hit a record-high of £9.4 billion. As a result public revenue per person in Scotland was £696 higher than the UK average. At the same time, public spending per person in Scotland was £2,217 higher than the UK average. This means that, even with record-high revenues from the North Sea, people in Scotland continue to benefit from pooling and sharing resources across the UK, with a net dividend of £1,521 for each and every person in Scotland. Block Grant funding for the Scottish Government is the highest since devolution began at around £41 billion a year for 2022-2025. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland. This higher funding means the Scottish Government receives over £8 billion more funding each year than if it received the levels of UK Government spending per person elsewhere in the UK. This reflects the additional costs of delivering public services in Scotland. Greater public spending for Scotland is possible because the UK pools and shares resources across the entire country. This system of sharing resources means the whole UK can tackle challenges together. eh? Westminster takes all of Scotlands revenue , and then hands a small part back to us for us to spend on devolved issues. We are forced to pay for debt that westmsinter runs up ,contribute to London cross rail , and hs2 , and alcohol duty on a bottle of our own whiskey is around 73% of the price which goes to your treasury. in 2010 , 2011 , and 2012 for example , new labour left the tory coalition with a deficit that was bigger than anything attributed to scotland , yet no one said the uk wasn't a viable independent country . Have you seen the latest Scottish polls where labour are dropping badly lefty? im guessing that's why you are upset. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland. So it's obvious that Scotland received more per pound the English Industrial solutions for power generation News Shell and BP avoid North Sea tax for three years The Observer has uncovered that oil majors Shell and BP have not paid any corporation or production tax on oil operations in the North Sea for the three years between 2018 and 2020. Scarlett Evans November 1, 2021 Share this article Oil rig scaffolding at a platform in the North Sea The Observer has uncovered that oil majors Shell and BP have not paid any corporation or production tax on oil operations in the North Sea for the three years between 2018 and 2020. The companies – which have a combined greenhouse gas emissions of more than 1.7 billion tonnes, or more than five times that of the UK – have in this period in fact been receiving tax relief of around £400m for oil and gas production. Menu Return to Full Fact homepage THE ECONOMY / SCOTLAND'S ECONOMY England hasn’t ‘kept’ £450 billion of Scottish taxes since 2001 20 OCTOBER 2021 WHAT WAS CLAIMED Since 2001, Scotland has sent £900 billion in tax to Westminster. OUR VERDICT Correct. A post on Facebook claims that since 2001, Scotland has sent £900 billion in tax to “Westminster” but only received £447.5 billion in return, meaning that Scotland subsidises England. It doesn’t. What this post fails to include is the amount of money that the UK government spends for or in Scotland. Honesty in public debate matters L How Scottish public spending works Scotland’s tax revenues are collected and distributed in a few different ways. Some revenue is raised, collected and kept for spending in Scotland (including council tax and some devolved taxes). Income tax, with the exception of income tax on savings and dividends, is collected by the UK government via HMRC but then goes directly to the Scottish government. Many other taxes (such as National Insurance, Capital Gains tax and VAT) are collected by HMRC. Money is then given back to Scotland in the form of the block grant. This, along with the revenues retained in Scotland, is to fund areas of devolved spending (like housing and education). Changes to the block grant year-on-year are calculated using something called the Barnett formula. What this does is essentially adjust the devolved administrations’ budgets whenever the UK government increases or reduces spend on devolved areas. For example, health is a devolved area of spending. If the UK government decided to increase the NHS England budget, that money would come from taxes raised across the UK, not just England. This might not be considered particularly fair, so what the Barnett formula would do is similarly increase the Scottish block grant by a share of the change in UK government spending relative to Scotland’s population. The figures Since 2001/02, Scotland has raised around £1 trillion in revenue, of which £143 billion was retained in Scotland. That leaves around £900 billion (as claimed in the post) which was collected and reserved by the UK government (the exact figure depends on whether you apportion North Sea oil revenues to Scotland only or to the whole of the UK) . The post then claims £447.5 billion of this money was returned. It’s not straightforward to work out how much money comes back in the form of the block grant over such a long period. But as a proxy we can look at how much is spent in Scotland. Since 2001/02 the Scottish government, local authorities and public corporations have spent £786 billion. As mentioned, £143 billion of this would have been collected and retained in Scotland. This leaves a remaining £643 billion, most of which will be made up of revenues collected from across the UK which have been “returned” via the block grant in this time. But whatever the amount of money which is “returned”, the post then suggests that the difference between what is raised in Scotland and what is “returned” is what England keeps, and that in essence Scotland subsidises English spending. This is incorrect. That’s because the UK government is also responsible for lots of spending in areas which aren’t devolved, like social security, defence and foreign affairs, and deemed to be for the benefit of Scotland and the whole of the UK. The Scottish government estimates the UK government has spent £533 billion since 2001/02 in or for Scotland. Since 2001/02, the Scottish government estimates the total amount of spending in or for Scotland exceeds revenues raised in Scotland by between £240 billion and £320 billion (depending on whether North Sea oil revenues are considered to be a Scottish-only or UK-wide revenue stream). |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 15:55:25 GMT
eh? Westminster takes all of Scotlands revenue , and then hands a small part back to us for us to spend on devolved issues. We are forced to pay for debt that westmsinter runs up ,contribute to London cross rail , and hs2 , and alcohol duty on a bottle of our own whiskey is around 73% of the price which goes to your treasury. This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland. So it's obvious that Scotland received more per pound the English we do , because we contribute more per head back in . I thought everyone knew this? The whole point of Scottish independence is complete fiscal autonomy lefty. We keep our money , you keep yours. The snp have asked for this for years , and Westminster won't allow us . Westminster controls the Scottish economy , takes Scottish revenue , and hands back a fraction of our money to fund devolved issues as ive said up the thread. You told the Indians for 200 years , that they were running a deficit and couldnt afford independence , and it turned out all along , you were cooking their books and fleecing them of 45trillion to fund lavish lifestyles and mansions back in Blighty. that's why your union is in decline , and voting for unionist parties in scotland like your labour has fallen year in year out since the seventies. Scotland doesn't trust , or believe a thing you say.  |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 15:59:50 GMT
No but you use it to try and force your lie even after I told you its a far left Publication and like I said during the period between 1997 -2007 a 10yr span he chose 2007 .the recession period I use it? Of course ive used it. Are you now saying anyone who is critical of your dear leader Tony Blair should be banned from posting ? I can't help the fact many folk are extremely critical of Tony Blair , and new labours invented myths about his time in power. The public in England and scotland obviously agree with both me. , and this author regarding new labour , otherwise we wouldnt have kept them out of power 17 years in scotland , and 14 years in England respectively. Your man starmer isnt well liked in scotland at all .. You do know there been no new labour lead labour since 2010 in 2017 And 2019 I won't mention 2019 was the worse results for labour in 30+ new labour under stammer. Is set to win by a landslide. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 16:04:42 GMT
I use it? Of course ive used it. Are you now saying anyone who is critical of your dear leader Tony Blair should be banned from posting ? I can't help the fact many folk are extremely critical of Tony Blair , and new labours invented myths about his time in power. The public in England and scotland obviously agree with both me. , and this author regarding new labour , otherwise we wouldnt have kept them out of power 17 years in scotland , and 14 years in England respectively. Your man starmer isnt well liked in scotland at all .. You do know there been no new labour lead labour since 2010 in 2017 And 2019 I won't mention 2019 was the worse results for labour in 30+ new labour under stammer. Is set to win by a landslide. what are you talking about? Labour have been ahead in the polls numerous times under both milliband and corbyn. Corbyn almost won the 2017 general election . However , what has this to do with my graph showing the increasing lack of trust in your man starmer in scotland ? people simply neither trust nor like the guy. well I wouldn't count your chickens just yet. you can see on my link that labour and the tories support in scotland has both declined remarkably since last summer.... www.whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-be-likely-to-vote-in-a-uk-general-election-asked-since-2019-general-election/?pollster%5B%5D=survation |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 16:07:54 GMT
This means that for every £100 per person the UK Government spends in England on matters devolved to Scotland, the Scottish Government will receive around £126 per person in Scotland. So it's obvious that Scotland received more per pound the English we do , because we contribute more per head back in . I thought everyone knew this? The whole point of Scottish independence is complete fiscal autonomy lefty. We keep our money , you keep yours. The snp have asked for this for years , and Westminster won't allow us . Westminster controls the Scottish economy , takes Scottish revenue , and hands back a fraction of our money to fund devolved issues as ive said up the thread. You told the Indians for 200 years , that they were running a deficit and couldnt afford independence , and it turned out all along , you were cooking their books and fleecing them of 45trillion to fund lavish lifestyles and mansions back in Blighty. that's why your union is in decline , and voting for unionist parties in scotland like your labour has fallen year in year out since the seventies. Scotland doesn't trust , or believe a thing you say. we contribute more per head back in . Are you trying to say that Scotland pays more in tax.then the English lol. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 16:08:26 GMT
I use it? Of course ive used it. Are you now saying anyone who is critical of your dear leader Tony Blair should be banned from posting ? I can't help the fact many folk are extremely critical of Tony Blair , and new labours invented myths about his time in power. The public in England and scotland obviously agree with both me. , and this author regarding new labour , otherwise we wouldnt have kept them out of power 17 years in scotland , and 14 years in England respectively. Your man starmer isnt well liked in scotland at all .. I won't mention 2019 was the worse results for labour in 30+ ..and why was that then lefty? Why did corny go from almost winning in 2017 , to losing so badly in 2019? Because 2019 was the Brexit election , and keir starmer fatally undermined Corbyns long held anti European stance , forced him to back starmers disastrous policy on not implementing Brexit , with predictable consequences. It was pointed out to daft starmer that two thirds of labour constituencies had voted for Brexit , yet he still went ahead and shafted his own voting base. Starmer as we discussed hasnt increased labours vote share of the electorate. They are still at 2019 levels more or less , it's merely the fact the tories have fallen past him. So what are you gibbering about? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2024 16:12:19 GMT
are you actually reading my posts? Blairs labour left unemployment higher than when they found it. That is a fact. he failed the working classes , and failed to stop inequality increasing. How Blairism Failed the Working Class
Despite pursuing a number of redistributive policies, Blair's Labour government left the fundamental architecture of Thatcher's economy in place – and failed to break the cycle of deepening inequality.tribunemag.co.uk/2021/04/did-blairism-workLike I said more devious lies by you Pointing to the 2007 recession. U.K. Unemployment Hits Record Low, Giving Blair Chance to Push Ahead By Marc ChampionStaff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal July 13, 2000 2:53 am ET LONDON -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair launched a campaign to revive his battered political fortunes, helped by falling jobless figures and the country's highest rate of working-age employment since records began. So what you are saying is that after following Tory spending plans for 3 years unemployment fell to a record low.. is this supposed to be a revelation? |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 3, 2024 16:15:53 GMT
thomas says that Keir Starmer is not trusted in Scotland, yet according to Electoral Calculous, the Labour Party are on course to win 28 seats ( they currently have 1 ), and the SNP are on course to win 18 seats ( they currently have 48 ).
Of course, as you probably know, Electoral Calculous base their predictions on the mean average of all polls.
Of course anything could happen between now and the general election, but it seems hard to see how the fortunes can be so dramatically turned around for the Tories in particular. We know very well that this weeks Budget will be specifically designed to buy votes, but will it work, ?
Given the choice, would you rather have a Labour government in Westminster ?, or a Tory one, or to give it its full and correct title "The Conservative & Unionist Party". ?
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2024 16:17:20 GMT
we do , because we contribute more per head back in . I thought everyone knew this? The whole point of Scottish independence is complete fiscal autonomy lefty. We keep our money , you keep yours. The snp have asked for this for years , and Westminster won't allow us . Westminster controls the Scottish economy , takes Scottish revenue , and hands back a fraction of our money to fund devolved issues as ive said up the thread. You told the Indians for 200 years , that they were running a deficit and couldnt afford independence , and it turned out all along , you were cooking their books and fleecing them of 45trillion to fund lavish lifestyles and mansions back in Blighty. that's why your union is in decline , and voting for unionist parties in scotland like your labour has fallen year in year out since the seventies. Scotland doesn't trust , or believe a thing you say. we contribute more per head back in . Are you trying to say that Scotland pays more in tax.then the English lol. no the uk average. Whats your point though? This data all comes from GERS. , and as we know GERS is no reflection of what an independent Scotlands finances would be.  |
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