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Post by Totheleft on Mar 4, 2024 14:59:42 GMT
So your all against one positive step to stop people Committing Suicide? I’ve already posted the reason why your claim is bullshit. Fact is firearms are not, nor have they ever, been a major way for people in western europe to kill themselves. Fact is firearm ownership in the UK is next to fucking impossible compared to what it was. Have you ever heard the expression when you’re that deep in tbe hole stop digging….. You do understand what one postive means If you looked at my last post there over 100 suicides a year by gun .that's a lot more than gun crime in this country. The other things people kill themselves with there nothing can be done about. But in relation to guns you can. Like you said there not many gun owners. If you think over a 100 kill them selves that must be a big percentage. Even in a America there more people that kill themselves then killed by gun crime . One positive step is one pospositive step I'm not asking to ban the guns. But make the rules more tighter some how. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 4, 2024 15:00:18 GMT
40 years ago it was possible to get a firearms certificate for a Browning BAR, a .303 Bren gun, an Ingram Mac 10 sub machine gun, a Sterling Sub Machine gun a Sten, an AK47 and even, a Browning M2 .50 calibre heavy machine gun.
Then Michael Ryan ruined a lot of lives in Hungerford and Maggie tightened up the gun laws.
Then Police in Dunblane failed to follow procedure (the extent of their errors are still covered by secrecy laws) and allowed a man who wasn't a member of a gun club, and wasn't welcome at any of his local clubs, because he was a twat, to have a firearms certificate for two sets of dissimilar pistols in different calibres.
There is NO situation in which a man who is not a member of a gun club, has reason to own two revolvers, "in case the Browning Hi Powers jam" (he had two of each).
The Police, not the system, fucked up.
And ordinary sportsmen were made to pay the price for the fuck ups of the Police.
One day it'll be declassified and you'll see.
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 4, 2024 15:12:01 GMT
40 years ago it was possible to get a firearms certificate for a Browning BAR, a .303 Bren gun, an Ingram Mac 10 sub machine gun, a Sterling Sub Machine gun a Sten, an AK47 and even, a Browning M2 .50 calibre heavy machine gun. Then Michael Ryan ruined a lot of lives in Hungerford and Maggie tightened up the gun laws. Then Police in Dunblane failed to follow procedure (the extent of their errors are still covered by secrecy laws) and allowed a man who wasn't a member of a gun club, and wasn't welcome at any of his local clubs, because he was a twat, to have a firearms certificate for two sets of dissimilar pistols in different calibres. There is NO situation in which a man who is not a member of a gun club, has reason to own two revolvers, "in case the Browning Hi Powers jam" (he had two of each). The Police, not the system, fucked up. And ordinary sportsmen were made to pay the price for the fuck ups of the Police. One day it'll be declassified and you'll see. Don't know what that's got to do with people killing themselves with guns . If there one hundred plus in this Country by guns that must be a big percentage of gun owners. Suicide in crime in thus country Why do you think people can be put in mental instrutions if there a danger to others or themselves |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 4, 2024 15:30:45 GMT
We have enough controls on firearms.
The government are discussing the possibility of controls on crossbows (because there have been a number of murders and assaults with those, as well as wildlife being illegally shot).
And some crossbows have sufficient power to go through bulletproof vests.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 4, 2024 17:18:08 GMT
I’ve already posted the reason why your claim is bullshit. Fact is firearms are not, nor have they ever, been a major way for people in western europe to kill themselves. Fact is firearm ownership in the UK is next to fucking impossible compared to what it was. Have you ever heard the expression when you’re that deep in tbe hole stop digging….. You do understand what one postive means If you looked at my last post there over 100 suicides a year by gun .that's a lot more than gun crime in this country. The other things people kill themselves with there nothing can be done about. But in relation to guns you can. Like you said there not many gun owners. If you think over a 100 kill them selves that must be a big percentage. Even in a America there more people that kill themselves then killed by gun crime . One positive step is one pospositive step I'm not asking to ban the guns. But make the rules more tighter some how. but do YOU understand ‘if you fuck up with a gun it REALLY hurts and there are far more ways to go that don’t require accuracy to do it painlessly and give a longer window to bring you back if you’re one if those stupid fuckers doing it to ‘cry for help’ And before you even bother i think we should have assisted suicide frameworks in place and we should hang the first religious twat who whinges that would be a sin…. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 4, 2024 17:35:10 GMT
You do understand what one postive means If you looked at my last post there over 100 suicides a year by gun .that's a lot more than gun crime in this country. The other things people kill themselves with there nothing can be done about. But in relation to guns you can. Like you said there not many gun owners. If you think over a 100 kill them selves that must be a big percentage. Even in a America there more people that kill themselves then killed by gun crime . One positive step is one pospositive step I'm not asking to ban the guns. But make the rules more tighter some how. but do YOU understand ‘if you fuck up with a gun it REALLY hurts and there are far more ways to go that don’t require accuracy to do it painlessly and give a longer window to bring you back if you’re one if those stupid fuckers doing it to ‘cry for help’ And before you even bother i think we should have assisted suicide frameworks in place and we should hang the first religious twat who whinges that would be a sin…. Well no surprise with your opinions of sananty of life you come out with Such Crap |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 4, 2024 18:11:11 GMT
You do understand what one postive means If you looked at my last post there over 100 suicides a year by gun .that's a lot more than gun crime in this country. The other things people kill themselves with there nothing can be done about. But in relation to guns you can. Like you said there not many gun owners. If you think over a 100 kill them selves that must be a big percentage. Even in a America there more people that kill themselves then killed by gun crime . One positive step is one pospositive step I'm not asking to ban the guns. But make the rules more tighter some how. but do YOU understand ‘if you fuck up with a gun it REALLY hurts and there are far more ways to go that don’t require accuracy to do it painlessly and give a longer window to bring you back if you’re one if those stupid fuckers doing it to ‘cry for help’ And before you even bother i think we should have assisted suicide frameworks in place and we should hang the first religious twat who whinges that would be a sin…. Good post. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2024 19:49:38 GMT
You do understand what one postive means If you looked at my last post there over 100 suicides a year by gun .that's a lot more than gun crime in this country. The other things people kill themselves with there nothing can be done about. But in relation to guns you can. Like you said there not many gun owners. If you think over a 100 kill them selves that must be a big percentage. Even in a America there more people that kill themselves then killed by gun crime . One positive step is one pospositive step I'm not asking to ban the guns. But make the rules more tighter some how. but do YOU understand ‘if you fuck up with a gun it REALLY hurts and there are far more ways to go that don’t require accuracy to do it painlessly and give a longer window to bring you back if you’re one if those stupid fuckers doing it to ‘cry for help’ And before you even bother i think we should have assisted suicide frameworks in place and we should hang the first religious twat who whinges that would be a sin…. You probably already know that there are six suicides in the O.T. and one in the N.T. The six in the O.T. are generally people who have been defeated, and the N.T. one was Judas Iscariot who realised what he had done. Of course, the church used to refuse to bury victims of suicide in consecrated ground, as if they believed they had any power over people in the afterlife. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 4, 2024 23:48:08 GMT
So your all against one positive step to stop people Committing Suicide? I’ve already posted the reason why your claim is bullshit. Fact is firearms are not, nor have they ever, been a major way for people in western europe to kill themselves. Fact is firearm ownership in the UK is next to fucking impossible compared to what it was. Have you ever heard the expression when you’re that deep in tbe hole stop digging….. Except Switzerland of course. The other ways of stopping suicide is not possible the number one cause of suicide In Britain is by hanging themselves How you going to stop.that. Even in prison when prisoners are on Suicide swatch prisoners committed Suicide by Hanging. Try and think before opening your vile mouth to Me |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 5, 2024 5:11:00 GMT
but do YOU understand ‘if you fuck up with a gun it REALLY hurts and there are far more ways to go that don’t require accuracy to do it painlessly and give a longer window to bring you back if you’re one if those stupid fuckers doing it to ‘cry for help’ And before you even bother i think we should have assisted suicide frameworks in place and we should hang the first religious twat who whinges that would be a sin…. You probably already know that there are six suicides in the O.T. and one in the N.T. The six in the O.T. are generally people who have been defeated, and the N.T. one was Judas Iscariot who realised what he had done. Of course, the church used to refuse to bury victims of suicide in consecrated ground, as if they believed they had any power over people in the afterlife.I have visited her grave several times......The Legend of Jay's Grave.......
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 5, 2024 7:58:26 GMT
I’ve already posted the reason why your claim is bullshit. Fact is firearms are not, nor have they ever, been a major way for people in western europe to kill themselves. Fact is firearm ownership in the UK is next to fucking impossible compared to what it was. Have you ever heard the expression when you’re that deep in tbe hole stop digging….. Except Switzerland of course. The other ways of stopping suicide is not possible the number one cause of suicide In Britain is by hanging themselves How you going to stop.that. Even in prison when prisoners are on Suicide swatch prisoners committed Suicide by Hanging. Try and think before opening your vile mouth to Me Oh dear, dear me. Hitting a nerve am i ? You mention Switzerland. What relevance has that country to your argument that more gun control means less suicides ? Ever worked there ? Ever worked with anyone who has ? If you had you would know that Swiss citizens were required to undergo a period of military service and keep a military grade weapon at home for use should they be called up as a reservist. As such Switzerland seems a fairly piss poor choice of country to bring into an argument about arms control when every citizen is required to keep an assault rifle at home. Nice to see you finally admit most suicides hang themselves (unless a long drop into water is handy). On the subject of suicide watch in prison, i agree it is necessary for those on remand. Can’t have them cheating the public of being told of their shameful acts of which they are convicted. Once convicted though, they should get their belts back. They’re costing me £85k a year to keep incarcerated and the more that take that way out after conviction, the less my taxes to guard the rest will be |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 5, 2024 8:12:56 GMT
Lots of people in the UK have sporting guns and or shotguns in the UK the Landed Gentry , Farmers pest control rabbits etc I own two shotguns for Clay Pigeon shooting but do not go often these days, even in London every Sunday Morning I can hear the bangs from a Clay Pigeon shooting range about 4 miles away. Shooting and Archery are Olympic Sports , we do not know what type of Firearm this young man used to end his life, if a pistol then the question will be where did he get it ? IMHO it will probably more likely to be a legally held shotgun |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 5, 2024 8:31:38 GMT
we do not know what type of Firearm this young man used to end his life, if a pistol then the question will be where did he get it ? IMHO it will probably more likely to be a legally held shotgun i guess those were pretty much my thoughts too. On the clay shooting, i never did pluck up the courage to try it. I was going to do it for the experience after the cataract surgery radically improved my vision from the severe myopia i was born with to slightly long sight in both eyes. The consultant agreed it would be a useful test of his skill but cautioned to leave at least six months after the procedure for several reasons including getting used to my new vision but also because shock waves and strong gusts of wind were not good things to experience right after eye surgery. As things worked out i just never got round to it. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 5, 2024 8:39:03 GMT
we do not know what type of Firearm this young man used to end his life, if a pistol then the question will be where did he get it ? IMHO it will probably more likely to be a legally held shotgun i guess those were pretty much my thoughts too. On the clay shooting, i never did pluck up the courage to try it. I was going to do it for the experience after the cataract surgery radically improved my vision from the severe myopia i was born with to slightly long sight in both eyes. The consultant agreed it would be a useful test of his skill but cautioned to leave at least six months after the procedure for several reasons including getting used to my new vision but also because shock waves and strong gusts of wind were not good things to experience right after eye surgery. As things worked out i just never got round to it. Shooting Clays is good fun and very competitive, but these days my reactions are not as good as they were |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 5, 2024 14:58:27 GMT
Except Switzerland of course. The other ways of stopping suicide is not possible the number one cause of suicide In Britain is by hanging themselves How you going to stop.that. Even in prison when prisoners are on Suicide swatch prisoners committed Suicide by Hanging. Try and think before opening your vile mouth to Me Oh dear, dear me. Hitting a nerve am i ? You mention Switzerland. What relevance has that country to your argument that more gun control means less suicides ? Ever worked there ? Ever worked with anyone who has ? If you had you would know that Swiss citizens were required to undergo a period of military service and keep a military grade weapon at home for use should they be called up as a reservist. As such Switzerland seems a fairly piss poor choice of country to bring into an argument about arms control when every citizen is required to keep an assault rifle at home. Nice to see you finally admit most suicides hang themselves (unless a long drop into water is handy). On the subject of suicide watch in prison, i agree it is necessary for those on remand. Can’t have them cheating the public of being told of their shameful acts of which they are convicted. Once convicted though, they should get their belts back. They’re costing me £85k a year to keep incarcerated and the more that take that way out after conviction, the less my taxes to guard the rest will be you hit my nail on the head if Switzerland had less guns there be less suicide by guns stand to releasone. |
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