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Post by Totheleft on Mar 2, 2024 6:05:15 GMT
So according to the resident lefties there should be a collective responsibility for the police due to a rogue copper not being spotted and stopped but not for the Muslims when a rogue Muslim isn’t spotted and stopped ? What you mean a Collective responsability No one Blaming all police officers. If you don't think the police should act On red flag warning . Says a lot about you . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 2, 2024 9:22:51 GMT
The reports highlights the lack of Vetting him thoroughly before he was allowed to join the Police if that had been done and information shared correctly by three different Forces he would not have been allowed in. We know what was not done, we know the Senior Officers failed to deal with him, this report is repeating what we already know that it was a balls up from the very beginning. Even if he had not applied to join the Police and became a builder , or van driver, or joined the Army from the Territorials, or dossed on the dole what is now obvious there was something mentally wrong with him and he may well have committed sexual offences or murder at some stage in his life In none of those alternative jobs would he routinely carry cuffs or a warrant card And you think that he wouldn't have killed anyone but for that? Most sexual predators aren't police officers. It doesn't stop them committing crimes. Yes Wayne Couzens abused his position to commit crimes. But it's exceptionally naive to think that he wouldn't have done so anyway. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2024 9:57:10 GMT
So according to the resident lefties there should be a collective responsibility for the police due to a rogue copper not being spotted and stopped but not for the Muslims when a rogue Muslim isn’t spotted and stopped ? What you mean a Collective responsability No one Blaming all police officers. If you don't think the police should act On red flag warning . Says a lot about you . The fact that you accused me of not wanting the police to act in red flag warnings when I never said that says a lot about you doofus . You either can’t read , make up lies or both. The concept of ‘ collective responsibility’ is probably a bit to much for your brain cell to handle . |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 2, 2024 10:11:13 GMT
What you mean a Collective responsability No one Blaming all police officers. If you don't think the police should act On red flag warning . Says a lot about you . The fact that you accused me of not wanting the police to act in red flag warnings when I never said that says a lot about you doofus . You either can’t read , make up lies or both. The concept of ‘ collective responsibility’ is probably a bit to much for your brain cell to handle . Only in your tiny mind. Even a new Guy made you look The fool you are .it's a common occasion on here. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2024 10:19:08 GMT
The fact that you accused me of not wanting the police to act in red flag warnings when I never said that says a lot about you doofus . You either can’t read , make up lies or both. The concept of ‘ collective responsibility’ is probably a bit to much for your brain cell to handle . Only in your tiny mind. Even a new Guy made you look The fool you are .it's a common occasion on here. No doofus . You posted “If you don't think the police should act On red flag warning .” That was a lie . Being a doofus that can't string a sentence together isn’t an excuse for being a liar . |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 2, 2024 10:29:29 GMT
Only in your tiny mind. Even a new Guy made you look The fool you are .it's a common occasion on here. No doofus . You posted “If you don't think the police should act On red flag warning .” That was a lie . Being a doofus that can't string a sentence together isn’t an excuse for being a liar . Fool bye bye |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2024 10:30:32 GMT
No doofus . You posted “If you don't think the police should act On red flag warning .” That was a lie . Being a doofus that can't string a sentence together isn’t an excuse for being a liar . Fool bye bye lol. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 2, 2024 10:38:28 GMT
Yawn, another inquiry pointing out the bleedin' obvious with 20/20 hindsight. Of course Couzens should never have been a cop, it's just that no-one knew that at the time. The Met have said that based on the information they had, at the time, they would still have employed Couzens. In retrospect the answer is always obvious. But not necessarily so at the time. Exactly. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 2, 2024 12:01:42 GMT
Yawn, another inquiry pointing out the bleedin' obvious with 20/20 hindsight. Of course Couzens should never have been a cop, it's just that no-one knew that at the time. The Met have said that based on the information they had, at the time, they would still have employed Couzens. In retrospect the answer is always obvious. But not necessarily so at the time. He was rejected as a special constable during vetting but still managed to ''pass'' vetting for a paid job in uniform (including being allowed to join the gun squad) in spite of various red flags and allegations. Sounds like volunteers are subject to higher standards than their paid counterparts. Maybe vetting should be much more vigorous and repeated at regular intervals throughout the career. He was rejected by Kent Police to join as a Constable but was later allowed to become a Hobby Bobby Special Constable , he later resigned then applied successfully to join the Civil Nuclear Police who guard Atomic Sites etc, as far as I am aware they are all armed, he already had some Firearms Training with the Territorial Army. He left that to join the Met and became a Firearms Officer with the Diplomatic Protection Group, if there had been anything against him at that stage he would have been rejected by the Met It was only much later that anyone knew he was a wrong un, allegations against Police Officers goes with the job week in week out year in year out , we see all sorts of Allegations against Pop Stars , Footballers , MP's Prominent people etc day in day out , many of them turn out to be false or malicious the only time action against anyone is when the Allegation is proven to be true. Trying to sack anyone who is in work is difficult the owner manager had to gather evidence to support dismissal otherwise they end up in front on an Industrial Tribunal which can be very costly for the employer |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 3, 2024 16:37:38 GMT
In none of those alternative jobs would he routinely carry cuffs or a warrant card And you think that he wouldn't have killed anyone but for that? Most sexual predators aren't police officers. It doesn't stop them committing crimes. Yes Wayne Couzens abused his position to commit crimes. But it's exceptionally naive to think that he wouldn't have done so anyway. I've neither thought nor posted that he would not have been a sexual murdering bastard in civvy street. I'm not the naive one here In Civvy street he would not have been able to ''persuade'' a girl walking along a street to submit to handcuffs and be arrested without screaming her head off' ,as he did so by dint of being a police officer |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 18:13:35 GMT
In none of those alternative jobs would he routinely carry cuffs or a warrant card And you think that he wouldn't have killed anyone but for that? Most sexual predators aren't police officers. It doesn't stop them committing crimes. Yes Wayne Couzens abused his position to commit crimes. But it's exceptionally naive to think that he wouldn't have done so anyway. I don't think it's naive to think Couzens wouldn't of committed his crime in civil life . Don't forget he8 was reported several times for rape before the murder but the met covered up the rape Aligation and he Seen it has a green light to Continue His vile crime. Here another met officer Carrick, 48, stood in the dock at Southwark crown court, watched in person and via a video link by his victims, to be told by the judge that he was the latest high-profile example of a “malign” abuse of power by a man against women. Carrick, who had pleaded guilty to 85 serious offences including 48 rapes, was finally brought to justice after a woman decided in October 2021 to report the attack on her, almost immediately after another Met officer was jailed for murdering Sarah Everard. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 3, 2024 19:13:24 GMT
I've neither thought nor posted that he would not have been a sexual murdering bastard in civvy street... Then we agree. In Civvy street he would not have been able to ''persuade'' a girl walking along a street to submit to handcuffs and be arrested without screaming her head off... Well of course not. He would have used a different subterfuge. |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 3, 2024 19:20:10 GMT
I've neither thought nor posted that he would not have been a sexual murdering bastard in civvy street... Then we agree. In Civvy street he would not have been able to ''persuade'' a girl walking along a street to submit to handcuffs and be arrested without screaming her head off... Well of course not. He would have used a different subterfuge. Being a warrant card police officer vastly facilitated his ability to attack and kidnap women from the streets |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 3, 2024 19:26:44 GMT
I've neither thought nor posted that he would not have been a sexual murdering bastard in civvy street... Then we agree. In Civvy street he would not have been able to ''persuade'' a girl walking along a street to submit to handcuffs and be arrested without screaming her head off... Well of course not. He would have used a different subterfuge. He carried on his vile crime because the police covered up for him What don't you understand about that. And in the case the one of the victim didn't come forward until after Couzens murdered women Because she was obviously scared to come forward The serial Rapist was charged with 84 rapes. |
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