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Post by buccaneer on Feb 27, 2024 12:10:58 GMT
I blame it on Blairs education reforms of the early 00's . He bribed good community schools mainly against the wishes of teachers and parents to become independent academies open to all . Freedom of choice may be a good thing in most cases but when you get lots of kids from outside your community coming to your school its no wonder the behaviour becomes a problem . Where you used to know or at least know of any poorly behaved kids (and dealt with it within the community) you were faced with the prospect of badly behaved children nobody knew from outside the area "It isnt fair when parents have no other option than to send their children to poor local schools" he said . Not for one moment thinking about the schools they would be going to and the consequences for them Blairs objective was a better education for all , where kids from areas with poor schools could go to areas with good schools, the result was all the schools became poor . The bad behaviour of pupils just came with it . It's more than that I believe. It's the State's job now apparently to start thinking about getting teachers to help brush kids teeth at school. It's now taking even more of the responsibility of parenting away from people who would probably be more than happy for someone else to help rear their child. Many children today are becoming more socially and emotionally a burden on teachers, social workers, guidance officers and psychologists who come from unruly homes because Mum and Dad cannot even put the effort in the rear their own children. School children also know teachers are pretty much powerless when it comes to consequences for inappropriate behaviour. Such behaviour is also more common with what seems to be a massive spike in more and more children being diagnosed with autism, ADHD, behaviour defiance and coming from traumatic backgrounds. I'm not sure whether any of these complexities stem from how the mother treated herself during pregnancy, whether she was on medication or whether there are environmental issues causing what seems to be the norm of kids today to be diagnosed with something. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 27, 2024 12:18:52 GMT
Do you consider immigration to have been an upgrade for your neck of the woods Lefty? What do you like most about it?
Well I first began to recognise immigration in my neck of the woods in my early teens and noticed the Awful paint jobs on external walls that has long gone thank God. Also there was a lot of Pakistani bashing by Skinheads that doesn't seem to be much of problem these days because there more acceptable these days. Where has it benefit the town they opened business and took over ones like newsagents Where the whites refused to invest anymore i.e like British steel and British Leyland. Nearly every surgery has immigrate doctors has well has hospital. Love Indian-Chinese food has much has British standard foods. Wider variety of food.in supermarkets has well has there own busines They were moved into unfortunately sub standard property what was left deselect for years only a few people lived in them .so generated income for local councils what helped pay for local services. The down side they brought crime like Muslim Grooming and run the local. Class A drug rings. But that already excited Pre immigration. But I think the positive out Ways the negative so dose most of the white British population. Can I Ask you a question if your so against. Immigration why are you a immigrant in France can you explain that? Has Dan ever put a French persons life in danger or carried out a rape in France lefty old bean? |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 27, 2024 13:24:49 GMT
Wife and I have lived and worked in London for over 50 years, no matter how long we live here we will never be true Londoners, the true Londoners are Cockneys who lived mainly in East London most of them have left.
I am originally from the North West of England , when I go home it bears no resemblance to what it was once was many have left in the not to distant future English will be the second language, the same can be said of Accrington, Bolton, Blackburn, Burnley, Nelson and Colne, over the border in Yorkshire the same in Leeds Bradford etc
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 27, 2024 13:29:00 GMT
I blame it on Blairs education reforms of the early 00's . He bribed good community schools mainly against the wishes of teachers and parents to become independent academies open to all . Freedom of choice may be a good thing in most cases but when you get lots of kids from outside your community coming to your school its no wonder the behaviour becomes a problem . Where you used to know or at least know of any poorly behaved kids (and dealt with it within the community) you were faced with the prospect of badly behaved children nobody knew from outside the area "It isnt fair when parents have no other option than to send their children to poor local schools" he said . Not for one moment thinking about the schools they would be going to and the consequences for them Blairs objective was a better education for all , where kids from areas with poor schools could go to areas with good schools, the result was all the schools became poor . The bad behaviour of pupils just came with it . It's more than that I believe. It's the State's job now apparently to start thinking about getting teachers to help brush kids teeth at school. It's now taking even more of the responsibility of parenting away from people who would probably be more than happy for someone else to help rear their child. Many children today are becoming more socially and emotionally a burden on teachers, social workers, guidance officers and psychologists who come from unruly homes because Mum and Dad cannot even put the effort in the rear their own children. School children also know teachers are pretty much powerless when it comes to consequences for inappropriate behaviour. Such behaviour is also more common with what seems to be a massive spike in more and more children being diagnosed with autism, ADHD, behaviour defiance and coming from traumatic backgrounds. I'm not sure whether any of these complexities stem from how the mother treated herself during pregnancy, whether she was on medication or whether there are environmental issues causing what seems to be the norm of kids today to be diagnosed with something. Yes I agree , parenting or bad parenting to be precise has a lot to do with unruly behaviour . From what Ive seen when out and about the first thing the government should do is ban mobile phones from any and all parents with children under 5 . Then instead of having their faces plastered to a phone they might actually talk and interact with their kids . |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 27, 2024 13:48:26 GMT
Wife and I have lived and worked in London for over 50 years, no matter how long we live here we will never be true Londoners, the true Londoners are Cockneys who lived mainly in East London most of them have left. I am originally from the North West of England , when I go home it bears no resemblance to what it was once was many have left in the not to distant future English will be the second language, the same can be said of Accrington, Bolton, Blackburn, Burnley, Nelson and Colne, over the border in Yorkshire the same in Leeds Bradford etc What are you on about ? East London is just one part of London , Londoners come from all parts of London ,stand outside Stockwell tube or the Black Prince pub in Kennington and tell the people they are not Londoners and see how far you get . Cockneys are Londoners born within earshot of the bells of the St Mary le Bow in Cheapside which is in the City of London . |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 27, 2024 14:29:02 GMT
Wife and I have lived and worked in London for over 50 years, no matter how long we live here we will never be true Londoners, the true Londoners are Cockneys who lived mainly in East London most of them have left. I am originally from the North West of England , when I go home it bears no resemblance to what it was once was many have left in the not to distant future English will be the second language, the same can be said of Accrington, Bolton, Blackburn, Burnley, Nelson and Colne, over the border in Yorkshire the same in Leeds Bradford etc What are you on about ? East London is just one part of London , Londoners come from all parts of London ,stand outside Stockwell tube or the Black Prince pub in Kennington and tell the people they are not Londoners and see how far you get . Cockneys are Londoners born within earshot of the bells of the St Mary le Bow in Cheapside which is in the City of London . I have lived here long enough to understand that , also I know where Cheapside is and how it got its name , I did state mainly the East End I saw no point in stating other arears as well, South of the river etc |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 27, 2024 15:04:20 GMT
What are you on about ? East London is just one part of London , Londoners come from all parts of London ,stand outside Stockwell tube or the Black Prince pub in Kennington and tell the people they are not Londoners and see how far you get . Cockneys are Londoners born within earshot of the bells of the St Mary le Bow in Cheapside which is in the City of London . I have lived here long enough to understand that , also I know where Cheapside is and how it got its name , I did state mainly the East End I saw no point in stating other arears as well, South of the river etc Then why mention it at all if you knew you were incorrect ? The not exclusive to East London Cockneys are no more or less Londoners than those sarf of the river or the sophisticates from the west . By the way Handyman if you have lived in London for 50 years , you're a Londoner . Its pretty much accepted that 10 years is the training period required for newcomers . |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 27, 2024 15:14:47 GMT
I have lived here long enough to understand that , also I know where Cheapside is and how it got its name , I did state mainly the East End I saw no point in stating other arears as well, South of the river etc Then why mention it at all if you knew you were incorrect ? The not exclusive to East London Cockneys are no more or less Londoners than those sarf of the river or the sophisticates from the west . By the way Handyman if you have lived in London for 50 years , you're a Londoner . Its pretty much accepted that 10 years is the training period required for newcomers . My best pal who is no longer with us was a true Cockney born in Bow as was both of his parents and his wife , sarf of the river to me is bandit country as it was to him. I will never be a Londoner even though I did at one time live in Hackney and Plaistow, wife I lived lived in Islington but we ain't Champagne Socialists even they gave up trying to train me to their ways they had no chance , I will always be a Lancashire man my wife will always be a Connemara girl |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 27, 2024 17:35:00 GMT
Then why mention it at all if you knew you were incorrect ? The not exclusive to East London Cockneys are no more or less Londoners than those sarf of the river or the sophisticates from the west . By the way Handyman if you have lived in London for 50 years , you're a Londoner . Its pretty much accepted that 10 years is the training period required for newcomers . My best pal who is no longer with us was a true Cockney born in Bow as was both of his parents and his wife , sarf of the river to me is bandit country as it was to him. I will never be a Londoner even though I did at one time live in Hackney and Plaistow, wife I lived lived in Islington but we ain't Champagne Socialists even they gave up trying to train me to their ways they had no chance , I will always be a Lancashire man my wife will always be a Connemara girl You see you understand , never cross the river unless under duress. I reckon your training went better than you realised   |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 27, 2024 18:53:31 GMT
My best pal who is no longer with us was a true Cockney born in Bow as was both of his parents and his wife , sarf of the river to me is bandit country as it was to him. I will never be a Londoner even though I did at one time live in Hackney and Plaistow, wife I lived lived in Islington but we ain't Champagne Socialists even they gave up trying to train me to their ways they had no chance , I will always be a Lancashire man my wife will always be a Connemara girl You see you understand , never cross the river unless under duress. I reckon your training went better than you realised  |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 28, 2024 2:28:32 GMT
Labour destroyed many of the Grammar Schools a pet hate and envy of two Jags Prescot who failed the 11 plus, instead of bringing the Secondary Modern Schools up to the Grammar better standards, of teaching and discipline Labour introduced University Fees which now means those who do go to Uni end up with a huge bill to pay off at the end of the day, two of my Grandkids could have gone to Uni but refused as they did not want to incur such debt, one is in her last year at Uni she will owe roughly £35,000 she has two choices, either pay it off bit by bit over many years, or emigrate. One of our close friends was a Teacher for 40 years in Hackney and North London , many kids starting in Junior school could not even tie their own shoes laces, or use a knife and fork, and had never been taught the basics of how to read by their parents, many admitted they did not have any books at home. Our schools have been failing our youngsters for a long time, far too many are leaving school with little or no educational qualifications at all, therefore unemployable, having interviewed many youngsters for Jobs many cannot express themselves well every other word is " Like " poor communication skills In some homes there is little or no parental guidance no discipline, there is little discipline in our schools I see that everyday as they pass my house and the fights that break out very often, there is no discipline in parts of the country hence the amounts of violence and crime increases Do. you think uni fees are a block to them who Can't afford it. And have you seen at income rate you start paying your loan at . Think it's very responsible if your gping to uni for a high end jobs |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 28, 2024 3:26:54 GMT
little bit of education for you
Evidence suggests that autism may be genetic. Scientists have been attempting to identify which genes might be implicated in autism for some years. Autism is likely to have multiple genes responsible rather than a single gene. However, it is not caused by emotional deprivation or the way a person has been brought up.
My niece son has Autism and he takes part in pioneering studies.
What about the disability that effect
The OAPs dementia & Alzheimer's
Theres more and more people getting diagnosis do you think that's Environmental or the way they was bought up by parents and it's effecting them in later life .
It's a ridiculous suggestion isn't it
If you want to blame Unruly .kids on bad parenting fine but don't suggest it'd down to some Disability.
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