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Post by oracle75 on Feb 26, 2024 10:11:25 GMT
I asked for specific factual proof of your accusations about London. Not a fly-by personal assessment of some undefined media. Not my problem that you cannot keep up with the news.......But hey you can't even see what going down under your own very nose can you? You have only repeated your non answer from before. And as usual relied in personal terms. If your claim is so evident you should find it easy to give me some factual proof. Do you absorb news of other places so that you can assess that London is a cesspit? I should think a town next to a sewage outlet run by water companies could better be described as a cesspit. That people of mixed ethnicity equals a cesspit is yet another example of the racism i see in this forum. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 26, 2024 10:13:17 GMT
Not my problem that you cannot keep up with the news.......But hey you can't even see what going down under your own very nose can you? You have only repeated your non answer from before. And as usual relied in personal terms. If your claim is so evident you should find it easy to give me some factual proof. Sorry orac I have depleted my stock of troll fodder... |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 26, 2024 10:21:38 GMT
You have only repeated your non answer from before. And as usual relied in personal terms. If your claim is so evident you should find it easy to give me some factual proof. Sorry orac I have depleted my stock of troll fodder... What you find difficult to back up you call trilling. Yoy made a remark. I asked you to prove it. You call me a troll. Ie you try to wriggle out of being accountable for your remarks. Maybe you should think about what a discussion group is for and how it works. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 26, 2024 11:43:57 GMT
Not my problem that you cannot keep up with the news.......But hey you can't even see what going down under your own very nose can you? You have only repeated your non answer from before. And as usual relied in personal terms. If your claim is so evident you should find it easy to give me some factual proof. Do you absorb news of other places so that you can assess that London is a cesspit? I should think a town next to a sewage outlet run by water companies could better be described as a cesspit. That people of mixed ethnicity equals a cesspit is yet another example of the racism i see in this forum. Google ‘ cess pit’. Also no one said that people of mixed ethnicity equals a cess pit . Stop the false accusations . |
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Post by patman post on Mar 2, 2024 19:24:27 GMT
Do Muslims have to be of any one particular race? Parts of Eastern Europe (eg, Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo) converted to Islam under the Ottomans... Muslims live in every part of the world including across Africa ans Indonesia. Lee said Islamiats, he didnt mention race. He was censured for Islamophobic remarks, not for racist remarks. Thank you for your guidance, but had you read the thread’s opening post you might have noticed I was responding to the race aspect being asked about… |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 2, 2024 20:41:31 GMT
Muslims have been a part of British history and British life for 250 years, largely through the British deciding to claim the Indian sub continent as been part of The British Empire.
But also to a lesser degree in Britain claiming large parts of Africa too, and millions of African and Asian Muslims became "British Subjects".
What ye sow, you shall reap .... and so the long association between Britain and Muslims from two continents was begun by ourselves.
We, the British needed educated Indians to help run and administer the Empire in East Africa, and so many thousands emigrated to work in administration, as teachers, engineers, on railways etc, these people became know as the "East African Asians", and resided all across British East Africa, they were given British passports.
These people were the very first large influx of Muslim migrants to the UK in the 1970s, but they had the right to come here, that right given by the British government.
We, the British, employed thousands of Somali's in the British merchant fleet, and the Somali's were amongst the very first Muslims who settled in this country, with small Somali communities in many of our seaport towns and citys as far back as the 19th century.
There are over 400,000 Anglo-Indians in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh
What ye sow, ye shall reap
A lot of British Muslims are here because of The British Empire, and the tangled history of nationality and migration, we sowed the seeds, and today we see the results.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 3, 2024 4:44:38 GMT
There is of course no such thing as "Islamophobia". It's just more left wing makey-uppey bullshit. indeed I'm not AFRAID of any of the scum I'm annoyed one particular rapist bastard died (of Aids) before I got my NBC suited hands on him. That's not fear. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 3, 2024 4:51:16 GMT
Muslims have been a part of British history and British life for 250 years, largely through the British deciding to claim the Indian sub continent as been part of The British Empire. But also to a lesser degree in Britain claiming large parts of Africa too, and millions of African and Asian Muslims became "British Subjects". What ye sow, you shall reap .... and so the long association between Britain and Muslims from two continents was begun by ourselves. We, the British needed educated Indians to help run and administer the Empire in East Africa, and so many thousands emigrated to work in administration, as teachers, engineers, on railways etc, these people became know as the "East African Asians", and resided all across British East Africa, they were given British passports. These people were the very first large influx of Muslim migrants to the UK in the 1970s, but they had the right to come here, that right given by the British government. We, the British, employed thousands of Somali's in the British merchant fleet, and the Somali's were amongst the very first Muslims who settled in this country, with small Somali communities in many of our seaport towns and citys as far back as the 19th century. There are over 400,000 Anglo-Indians in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh What ye sow, ye shall reap A lot of British Muslims are here because of The British Empire, and the tangled history of nationality and migration, we sowed the seeds, and today we see the results. As I am SURE you know, an annoying little man called Ghandi forced us to give up our colonial interests in that continent shortly after we wrapped up some unfinished business with the Japanese in the first half of last century And within what a year was it of that the shitbags were at each others throats in a three way fight that tore the top but of the country apart into three separate states and a separate fiefdom inside one of them. The majority religion inside India isn't Moslem and well you know it. It isn't Moslem because the buggers set out on a grand spate of killing each other until there were separate countries into which they threw each other quite graphically. We owe the scum NOTHING. |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 3, 2024 10:35:36 GMT
The "annoying little man" as you describe him,was born into a Hindu family, but always insisted that India was a multi faith nation where all were equal ( pity there are not more Gandhi's around today ). When the unwanted British were finaly persuaded to get the hell out of India and go home, many of the substantial Muslim minority ( around 30% ) wanted a separate homeland, which was opposed by others who wanted a united India. The communal violence which then ensued was indulged in by both sides, and many thosands died, this began happening BEFORE the British left. The estimate for Indian Muslim soldiers who fought under the Union Flag in World War 1 is over a quarter of a Million, and an estimated 20,000 died. The estimate for Indian Muslim soldiers of the Second World War is over half a Million, with around 30,000 dead. So yes, whilst Islam is the second religion of India, it is still an historical fact that many millions of Indian Muslims gave good service to the colonial power ( Britain ). There are Commonwealth War Grave cemetaries all across Europe, North Africa, India, South East Asia where the bodies of many thousands of Indians of all faiths lie. and here we are today in 2024 with your final half a sentence "We owe the scum NOTHING" www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBX0vD0V4To |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 3, 2024 10:58:19 GMT
"A lot of British Muslims are here because of The British Empire, and the tangled history of nationality and migration, we sowed the seeds, and today we see the results."
Ah yes the good old standby, 'You were there so now we're here'. We haven't had this one pop up for a while.
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Post by Tinculin on Mar 3, 2024 11:23:43 GMT
I’ve never really cared about the colour of someone’s skin or their religion.
I don’t really care whether someone chooses to drink booze for medical or religious reasons, or whether they eat beef or pork for the same.
I don’t particularly care what people dress like, or how many times, or what god they pray too.
I do care about women being oppressed and bullied in the name of their religion.
I do care when grooming gangs rape young girls and force them into prostitution and our government hides it because they’re worried people might get upset.
I do care when angry young men strap bombs to their chest and go into music events and murder teenagers.
I also care when people move to a country and refuse to respect that nations laws.
I also care when people are cowed into silence through fear of being expelled, raped or killed by their own family or community.
And here is the problem - many Muslims don’t do the above, but there is certainly a movement that do, and we do need to be tougher and stop making excuses for those that do commit the above crimes. At the same time, I’m not in favour of tarring everyone with the same brush, because I know plenty of Muslims personally that wouldn’t dream and utterly condemn the above like I do.
Unfortunately it seems many people are either in the camp of naive appeasers or in the camp ‘all Muslims are bad’, and the truth is neither is healthy for our country.
We need to not be afraid of standing up for our values, and at the same time stop this tragic group think mentality and labelling all people of a group with the same behavior because things are far more complicated. It will take far more than a simple mind and/or solution to resolve national problems.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 3, 2024 11:53:45 GMT
The big problem with the 'on the one hand this, and on the other hand that' approach and bending over backwards to fair and reasonable, is the obvious impossibility of separating the sheep from the goats especially in an über-liberal society like the UK.
I recall clearly the TV newcasts after the 7/7 bombings in which English neighbours of the perpetrators voiced their shock at the scale and destruction of the atrocities they commited. "They were such nice lads and all, playing football in the street with our own kids. We thought they were just as British as we are."
Surely the dangers inherent in having even a small minority of radical Islamists on the loose in society make the case for a policy that errs on the side of caution not permissiveness.
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 3, 2024 13:23:11 GMT
Dan Dare The Politicians, or probably more importantly the powers that be behind the Politicians, concern themselves with the shorter term benefits that aid their immediate policies and objectives, rather than any possible negative consequences that might develop in years or decades to come which future Governments will be faced with. While not suggesting Ukrainians in the UK will ever give us a moments trouble, we'll all recall the implied message within Zelensky's words of last Autumn: in effect that if the West is considering cutting off aid and leaving Ukraine high and dry ..... well remember there are plenty of Ukrainians in your Countries who will be less than impressed ....and while the word 'retribution' wasn't used .... it was clear enough what was being implied. link - Zelensky ...Tread carefully ...or else !Then think back to the early 1990's and think who our Establishment most disliked then (surprise, surprise ...it was still Russia) but then it was the Radical Islamists who we most wanted to help and encourage to make the Russians uncomfortable. I know Dan won't be fooled by BBC language such as 'persuaded' or 'were allowed' ... and will be only too aware that 'encouraged', 'embraced', 'financed', and 'assisted' would be far more accurate. In short we didn't grudgingly accept, but rolled out the red carpet .... while indicating 'anything you might need ...arms, finance etc ...don't be afraid to ask ...after all, our enemy's enemy is our friend ...make yourselves at home lads'
link - UK says Why not make your Extremist HQ here !Remember it's Government that creates the problem, then has the nerve to put themselves forward as being shocked and surprised but also claiming to have the ideal solution up their sleeves. It's the Politicians mess ... no wonder the buggers have worked out they need protection from us ..... they are the creators of problems far more than they are our saviours. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 3, 2024 14:39:06 GMT
They seemed to have forgotten that "The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils".
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