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Post by wapentake on Feb 19, 2024 9:04:19 GMT
Which is no justice at all,vulnerable people made targets whilst scrotes shoplift and get up to all sorts of trouble and escape any punishment at all. The M.P.’s who passed this in to law showing how out of touch they all are. link
(only one thing with this story how can you be prosecuted for not insuring a car that’s not on the road that’s tax and sorn surely,even so) |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 19, 2024 12:32:11 GMT
Totally agree. It's the same with traffic tickets issued (often wrongly) by local councils whereby the recipient is denied having their case held in an independent court.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 19, 2024 12:58:14 GMT
Something in the report appears to be wrong IMHO why were the DVLA involved in his vehicle's insurance it as far as I am aware nothing to do with them, it is the Police who prosecute drivers who use an uninsured vehicle on the highway, and I have never heard of an offence of not renewing car insurance.
Plus the Media states he now has a Criminal Conviction, convicted yes in his absence but its not a recordable criminal offence
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Post by jonksy on Feb 19, 2024 13:06:55 GMT
Totally agree. It's the same with traffic tickets issued (often wrongly) by local councils whereby the recipient is denied having their case held in an independent court. Exactly mate and this is exactly why I did this to the arsehole who clamped my car...
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Post by wapentake on Feb 19, 2024 13:26:09 GMT
Totally agree. It's the same with traffic tickets issued (often wrongly) by local councils whereby the recipient is denied having their case held in an independent court. Exactly mate and this is exactly why I did this to the arsehole who clamped my car...
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Post by wapentake on Feb 19, 2024 13:35:27 GMT
Totally agree. It's the same with traffic tickets issued (often wrongly) by local councils whereby the recipient is denied having their case held in an independent court. Yes it appears to be a money making exercise devoid of any justice. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 19, 2024 14:13:52 GMT
Something in the report appears to be wrong IMHO why were the DVLA involved in his vehicle's insurance it as far as I am aware nothing to do with them, it is the Police who prosecute drivers who use an uninsured vehicle on the highway, and I have never heard of an offence of not renewing car insurance. Plus the Media states he now has a Criminal Conviction, convicted yes in his absence but its not a recordable criminal offence The way it works now is that a vehicle must either be declared SORN or have MOT, Tax & Insurance otherwise the keeper is deemed to be driving (or at least keeping the vehicle on a road) without insurance. |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 19, 2024 15:40:46 GMT
Something in the report appears to be wrong IMHO why were the DVLA involved in his vehicle's insurance it as far as I am aware nothing to do with them, it is the Police who prosecute drivers who use an uninsured vehicle on the highway, and I have never heard of an offence of not renewing car insurance. Plus the Media states he now has a Criminal Conviction, convicted yes in his absence but its not a recordable criminal offence The way it works now is that a vehicle must either be declared SORN or have MOT, Tax & Insurance otherwise the keeper is deemed to be driving (or at least keeping the vehicle on a road) without insurance. That's a new one on me, I am fully aware of SORN I was always under the impression that if off the road it no longer needs insurance MOT or Tax |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 19, 2024 15:57:34 GMT
The way it works now is that a vehicle must either be declared SORN or have MOT, Tax & Insurance otherwise the keeper is deemed to be driving (or at least keeping the vehicle on a road) without insurance. That's a new one on me, I am fully aware of SORN I was always under the impression that if off the road it no longer needs insurance MOT or Tax
It doesn't as long as it's declared SORN.
(So it needs to be either fully road legal or SORN, you can't just park it off road and leave it at that).
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Post by patman post on Feb 19, 2024 16:49:02 GMT
That's a new one on me, I am fully aware of SORN I was always under the impression that if off the road it no longer needs insurance MOT or Tax
It doesn't as long as it's declared SORN.
(So it needs to be either fully road legal or SORN, you can't just park it off road and leave it at that).
Which seems a bit belt and braces and OTT in a country that’s so well covered and monitored by mobile and stationary cctv that the average amount of times a vehicle’s registration is captured on a single journey must be in double figures… |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 17:22:04 GMT
Which is no justice at all,vulnerable people made targets whilst scrotes shoplift and get up to all sorts of trouble and escape any punishment at all. The M.P.’s who passed this in to law showing how out of touch they all are. link
(only one thing with this story how can you be prosecuted for not insuring a car that’s not on the road that’s tax and sorn surely,even so) For some offences we are now guilty until proven innocent, apparently. I think with the amount of social media storm over this matter, there will be a resolution very shortly. I have learned something about SORN and insurance from this thread. I thought you needed nothing if a vehicle was parked on private land, but it does have to be declared. The innocent have to pay for the people who have been swindling the system |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 19, 2024 17:40:52 GMT
It doesn't as long as it's declared SORN.
(So it needs to be either fully road legal or SORN, you can't just park it off road and leave it at that).
Which seems a bit belt and braces and OTT in a country that’s so well covered and monitored by mobile and stationary cctv that the average amount of times a vehicle’s registration is captured on a single journey must be in double figures… Well yeah. It's been a thing for some years now.
I think it was originally designed to stop people letting the their tax and insurance run out while leaving the vehicle parked on the road. Clearly, people who habitually drive with no insurance won't give a shit about that while the rest of us risk a fine if we forget to SORN that vehicle that we're genuinely not using on the road.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 19, 2024 18:44:38 GMT
That's a new one on me, I am fully aware of SORN I was always under the impression that if off the road it no longer needs insurance MOT or Tax
It doesn't as long as it's declared SORN.
(So it needs to be either fully road legal or SORN, you can't just park it off road and leave it at that).
Thanks I have learnt something new |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 19, 2024 18:46:49 GMT
Which is no justice at all,vulnerable people made targets whilst scrotes shoplift and get up to all sorts of trouble and escape any punishment at all. The M.P.’s who passed this in to law showing how out of touch they all are. link
(only one thing with this story how can you be prosecuted for not insuring a car that’s not on the road that’s tax and sorn surely,even so) For some offences we are now guilty until proven innocent, apparently. I think with the amount of social media storm over this matter, there will be a resolution very shortly. I have learned something about SORN and insurance from this thread. I thought you needed nothing if a vehicle was parked on private land, but it does have to be declared. The innocent have to pay for the people who have been swindling the system The only Offence that I can think of where you have to prove your innocence is " No Insurance " |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 19, 2024 18:50:47 GMT
Which seems a bit belt and braces and OTT in a country that’s so well covered and monitored by mobile and stationary cctv that the average amount of times a vehicle’s registration is captured on a single journey must be in double figures… Well yeah. It's been a thing for some years now.
I think it was originally designed to stop people letting the their tax and insurance run out while leaving the vehicle parked on the road. Clearly, people who habitually drive with no insurance won't give a shit about that while the rest of us risk a fine if we forget to SORN that vehicle that we're genuinely not using on the road.
Indeed they don't give monkeys about driving with no insurance , or registering their vehicle with DVLA |
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