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Post by wapentake on Feb 13, 2024 19:16:53 GMT
Why are some of the poorest areas in the north paying so much more than the wealthiest,why does buckingham palace pay less than £1900 council tax per year? link |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 13, 2024 19:35:49 GMT
I'd imagine that some are simply better managed than others.
And some have a higher percentage of people who are actually paying it hence a lesser burden per paying household compared to an area with more benefit claimants.
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 14, 2024 7:09:57 GMT
Its basically because it costs more in the south to provide services than it does in the north so the south receives more funding from central government .
Its not a great system though and aligning funding with councils spending needs have obviously broken down .Councils across the country are going into debt ,some due to crackpot spending but most just because funding from central government is too low .
Buckingham Palace doesn't pay council tax as its not a residence but it does pay business rates . The few residences inside the grounds pay the maximum band H
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 15, 2024 1:04:34 GMT
Why are some of the poorest areas in the north paying so much more than the wealthiest,why does buckingham palace pay less than £1900 council tax per year? linkThat's incredible. If the info in the link is accurate, it's incredible. How can someone in London in a £2milion property pay council tax of £1,550? That's blown me away, I'm reeling. I'm sorely tempted to give away personal info, we pay more than £1,550 council tax and this property is worth... well lets just say it's significantly less than £1 million, let alone £2 million, and for that we get our bins emptied once a fortnight. How can someone in a £2million property pay £1,550 council tax? That's incredible. |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 15, 2024 8:42:25 GMT
Why are some of the poorest areas in the north paying so much more than the wealthiest,why does buckingham palace pay less than £1900 council tax per year? linkThat's incredible. If the info in the link is accurate, it's incredible. How can someone in London in a £2milion property pay council tax of £1,550? That's blown me away, I'm reeling. I'm sorely tempted to give away personal info, we pay more than £1,550 council tax and this property is worth... well lets just say it's significantly less than £1 million, let alone £2 million, and for that we get our bins emptied once a fortnight. How can someone in a £2million property pay £1,550 council tax? That's incredible. Well the best was I saw a bloke in one of those houses explaining we pay so little because we don’t get the services lol. What like a fortune spent on cross rail everything is down there. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 15, 2024 8:51:00 GMT
Why are some of the poorest areas in the north paying so much more than the wealthiest,why does buckingham palace pay less than £1900 council tax per year? linkThat's incredible. If the info in the link is accurate, it's incredible. How can someone in London in a £2milion property pay council tax of £1,550? That's blown me away, I'm reeling. I'm sorely tempted to give away personal info, we pay more than £1,550 council tax and this property is worth... well lets just say it's significantly less than £1 million, let alone £2 million, and for that we get our bins emptied once a fortnight. How can someone in a £2million property pay £1,550 council tax? That's incredible. Because they get their bins emptied once a fortnight as well . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 8:55:03 GMT
That's incredible. If the info in the link is accurate, it's incredible. How can someone in London in a £2milion property pay council tax of £1,550? That's blown me away, I'm reeling. I'm sorely tempted to give away personal info, we pay more than £1,550 council tax and this property is worth... well lets just say it's significantly less than £1 million, let alone £2 million, and for that we get our bins emptied once a fortnight. How can someone in a £2million property pay £1,550 council tax? That's incredible. Well the best was I saw a bloke in one of those houses explaining we pay so little because we don’t get the services lol. What like a fortune spent on cross rail everything is down there. Yes, but we have a much greater population paying it hence perhaps less per household.
For example, in a rural area you might have a handful of houses within a square mile and have to provide all of the usual services. Whereas in London, you might have the same number of houses (and tax take) from a single street.
It's much easier and cheaper to provided services to the latter.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 15, 2024 9:10:21 GMT
Well the best was I saw a bloke in one of those houses explaining we pay so little because we don’t get the services lol. What like a fortune spent on cross rail everything is down there. Yes, but we have a much greater population paying it hence perhaps less per household.
For example, in a rural area you might have a handful of houses within a square mile and have to provide all of the usual services. Whereas in London, you might have the same number of houses (and tax take) from a single street.
It's much easier and cheaper to provided services to the latter.
The claim made by some was we don’t get the services which is laughable and council tax is based on property value but they won’t update that,why do you think that is? In a rural area they often get hardly any service at all,no street lights or public transport private drainage emergency services so far away you’d likely be dead,robbers long gone or propert burnt down by the time they arrive. You have to acknowledge the money is spent predominantly in the South east and levelling up is an empty promise. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 9:13:43 GMT
Yes, but most people live in the South East.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 15, 2024 9:19:52 GMT
Yes, but most people live in the South East. Not really,the pop of England is around 57 million of which the SE accounts for about 12 million. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 12:04:35 GMT
Yes, but most people live in the South East. Not really,the pop of England is around 57 million of which the SE accounts for about 12 million. I should have said the population density is greater in the South East.
The point is that amenities are concentrated in a smaller area, as is the tax take. Which makes it a lot easier and cheaper to provide those amenities.
As an example, today is dustbin day. My street has 70 odd houses. It takes the bin men less than 10 minutes to collect from the whole street. At that rate, they can do 400 collections per hour.
But in a more rural area, they might be lucky to do 400 collections per day. That's going to be more expensive. And it's the same with taxation density: A square mile of London will generate a lot more council tax than a square mile of a rural county. So in London we're splitting the cost of those amenities over a lot more people. Which can make it quite a bit cheaper.
It's about economies of scale.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 15, 2024 17:02:32 GMT
Not really,the pop of England is around 57 million of which the SE accounts for about 12 million. I should have said the population density is greater in the South East.
The point is that amenities are concentrated in a smaller area, as is the tax take. Which makes it a lot easier and cheaper to provide those amenities.
As an example, today is dustbin day. My street has 70 odd houses. It takes the bin men less than 10 minutes to collect from the whole street. At that rate, they can do 400 collections per hour.
But in a more rural area, they might be lucky to do 400 collections per day. That's going to be more expensive. And it's the same with taxation density: A square mile of London will generate a lot more council tax than a square mile of a rural county. So in London we're splitting the cost of those amenities over a lot more people. Which can make it quite a bit cheaper.
It's about economies of scale.
Yes I understand that but if a tax is based on property value it needs updating regularly or replacing by one that takes in to account those issues and supports those in rural areas. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 17:35:04 GMT
I should have said the population density is greater in the South East.
The point is that amenities are concentrated in a smaller area, as is the tax take. Which makes it a lot easier and cheaper to provide those amenities.
As an example, today is dustbin day. My street has 70 odd houses. It takes the bin men less than 10 minutes to collect from the whole street. At that rate, they can do 400 collections per hour.
But in a more rural area, they might be lucky to do 400 collections per day. That's going to be more expensive. And it's the same with taxation density: A square mile of London will generate a lot more council tax than a square mile of a rural county. So in London we're splitting the cost of those amenities over a lot more people. Which can make it quite a bit cheaper.
It's about economies of scale.
Yes I understand that but if a tax is based on property value it needs updating regularly or replacing by one that takes in to account those issues and supports those in rural areas. Not really, the property value is irrelevant - it's the relative value in the local area that counts.
And my house, as an example, is still in the same bracket that it was when we moved in 20 years ago.
And yes, the house is now worth about three times what we paid for it but the council tax is now about three times higher than it was then.
The poll tax was the only fair way of doing this but the "Free Shit Army" didn't like it.
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 27, 2024 12:01:42 GMT
Council tax is my area of expertise.
Westminster council's council tax is artificially low, as they subsidise it through business rates.
It's not really comparable to other councils as such.
The revaluation was supposed to happen in England prior to the 2010 GE, but it was abandoned after the pilot in Wales just showed everyone being raised bandings.
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 27, 2024 14:33:31 GMT
Council tax is my area of expertise. Westminster council's council tax is artificially low, as they subsidise it through business rates. It's not really comparable to other councils as such. The revaluation was supposed to happen in England prior to the 2010 GE, but it was abandoned after the pilot in Wales just showed everyone being raised bandings. Its just that London councils in general have other ways of raising money . As you say business rates are a big part of that as are car parking charges |
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