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Post by Dogburger on Feb 14, 2024 18:01:22 GMT
I wonder why it is that key workers aren't prioritised in the health system. Surely it's more important to get police/firefighters etc back to work than it is to say, treat a retired person. I'm not talking life saving stuff obviously, but if it's a knee operation or something then surely it's better to treat a key worker first and get them back to work? Disagree on that . "Key workers" is a made up collective by public servants for public servants .Almost everyone that works and contributes to the economy is a key worker in their own way . |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 14, 2024 18:20:57 GMT
I wonder why it is that key workers aren't prioritised in the health system. Surely it's more important to get police/firefighters etc back to work than it is to say, treat a retired person. I'm not talking life saving stuff obviously, but if it's a knee operation or something then surely it's better to treat a key worker first and get them back to work? Disagree on that . "Key workers" is a made up collective by public servants for public servants .Almost everyone that works and contributes to the economy is a key worker in their own way . Well arguably any worker is worth more to the economy than a retired person - in fact you could take it further and include the unemployed and long term sick in with retired people. Prioritising workers actually makes sense. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 14, 2024 18:38:57 GMT
Allegations of NHS Trusts Manipulating Staff Shortages During Junior Doctors’ Strike.....
What's the problem?
If medical staff can be shown where withdrawing their labour is dangerous for patients, and are then persuaded that they should modify their strike action accordingly, it's surely a responsible outcome?
What is wrong is the way less senior essential medical personnel in the NHS are treated in terms of working hours and pay. Unfortunately, the current government hasn't shown itself to be concerned with getting an NHS that's a worthwhile employer or health provider for patients...
When has throwng money down a bottless pit ever acheived a better NHS.? Look at blairs PFI for instance.. |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 14, 2024 19:05:00 GMT
What's the problem?
If medical staff can be shown where withdrawing their labour is dangerous for patients, and are then persuaded that they should modify their strike action accordingly, it's surely a responsible outcome?
What is wrong is the way less senior essential medical personnel in the NHS are treated in terms of working hours and pay. Unfortunately, the current government hasn't shown itself to be concerned with getting an NHS that's a worthwhile employer or health provider for patients...
When has throwng money down a bottless pit ever acheived a better NHS.? Look at blairs PFI for instance.. Simply throwing more and more taxpayers money at it year in year out simply hides the problems for a little while , then they come back bigger than ever FFS the taxpayers have been throwing money it for years and very little changes. It needs a complete overhaul cut out the waste inefficiency we need better value for our hard earned money |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 14, 2024 19:12:11 GMT
Disagree on that . "Key workers" is a made up collective by public servants for public servants .Almost everyone that works and contributes to the economy is a key worker in their own way . Well arguably any worker is worth more to the economy than a retired person - in fact you could take it further and include the unemployed and long term sick in with retired people. Prioritising workers actually makes sense. Not really , what pensioner or fair minded person is going to vote for a party that withdraws the NHS from people at the time of their life when they need it most , what exactly will they think are they paying into all their working lives if they are going to be abandoned in their hour of need ? What they should do is raise the public sector pension age to the same as the private sector and make the NHS fit for purpose . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 14, 2024 19:15:01 GMT
What they should do is raise the public sector pension age to the same as the private sector... It is. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 14, 2024 22:07:49 GMT
What they should do is raise the public sector pension age to the same as the private sector... It is. Well yes but most knock it on the head at 60 without penalty and some can do from 50 on a reduced payout . Yes they pay into the pension along with a generous employer (thats us) top ups . |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 14, 2024 22:43:16 GMT
Well arguably any worker is worth more to the economy than a retired person - in fact you could take it further and include the unemployed and long term sick in with retired people. Prioritising workers actually makes sense. Not really , what pensioner or fair minded person is going to vote for a party that withdraws the NHS from people at the time of their life when they need it most , what exactly will they think are they paying into all their working lives if they are going to be abandoned in their hour of need ? What they should do is raise the public sector pension age to the same as the private sector and make the NHS fit for purpose . I'm not saying anyone should be abandoned, just that non-priority cases should go to the back of the queue. After all without workers paying taxes there will be no pensions or welfare handouts. So it is in everyones interest to get workers back to the coalface. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Feb 14, 2024 23:59:42 GMT
When all the nurses on a ward are English I don't feel comfortable. "Rogue nurses" are usually English.
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 15, 2024 6:35:59 GMT
Not really , what pensioner or fair minded person is going to vote for a party that withdraws the NHS from people at the time of their life when they need it most , what exactly will they think are they paying into all their working lives if they are going to be abandoned in their hour of need ? What they should do is raise the public sector pension age to the same as the private sector and make the NHS fit for purpose . I'm not saying anyone should be abandoned, just that non-priority cases should go to the back of the queue. After all without workers paying taxes there will be no pensions or welfare handouts. So it is in everyones interest to get workers back to the coalface. But how many times are you going to move people to the back of the queue ? If it's just once the back of the queue will eventually get to the front and you would end up with a period of treating only pensioners/non priority .If it's multiple times we are indeed abandoning them with the prospect of non priority cases becoming a little more serious . We can't start picking who can live a healthy life and who can't and who decides what's a priority or not ? I think it would create more chaos in the system than we already have |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 7:19:25 GMT
Well yes but most knock it on the head at 60 without penalty and some can do from 50 on a reduced payout . Yes they pay into the pension along with a generous employer (thats us) top ups . Nope. If they go at 60 the pension is reduced pro-rata. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 15, 2024 8:06:20 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 15, 2024 8:10:14 GMT
Nope. Most are standard state pension age now.
There are a few obvious necessary exceptions such as fire brigade, police, armed forces etc. But other than that standard retirement age is 67.
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