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Post by Totheleft on Feb 16, 2024 1:15:12 GMT
And now Vinny has put us back on topic, I don't believe the party Corbyn inherited the leadership of gave much of a stuff about people who actually worked to pay their bills and put food on the table, and I can't say anything he said while in charge (and I used that in the loosest way possible) left me with any faith he was interested in them. Are you saying the unemployed are more likely to vote Labour? Your wrong Double disadvantage: Unemployment, youth and electoral participation in the UK EXPERT OPINIONRESEARCHSOCIAL SCIENCES Who will win the next UK General Election? With January 2025, the date by which the election must be held, just 18 months away, the public sphere is again focusing on this question. But before we can forecast who will live in 10 Downing Street, we need to take a step back and ask another question: who votes? Or more importantly, who does not? By Dr Leo Azzollini, Postdoctoral Researcher at the University of Oxford’s Institute for New Economic Thinking, Department of Social Policy, and Nuffield College. It is widely known, young people tend to vote less than older people: this is well-established in most democratic countries, and the UK is no exception to this pattern. But because of this life-cycle effect, young people have a key political disadvantage: their electoral weight is less than it should be, influencing both election results and policymaking. While less likely to vote, young people are, instead, more likely to experience spells of unemployment at the beginning of their careers. This is similarly problematic, because unemployment experiences decrease the probability of voting - even after an individual gets another job. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2024 10:27:03 GMT
And now Vinny has put us back on topic, I don't believe the party Corbyn inherited the leadership of gave much of a stuff about people who actually worked to pay their bills and put food on the table, and I can't say anything he said while in charge (and I used that in the loosest way possible) left me with any faith he was interested in them. Are you saying the unemployed are more likely to vote Labour? Your wrong Double disadvantage: Unemployment, youth and electoral participation in the UK EXPERT OPINIONRESEARCHSOCIAL SCIENCES Who will win the next UK General Election? With January 2025, the date by which the election must be held, just 18 months away, the public sphere is again focusing on this question. But before we can forecast who will live in 10 Downing Street, we need to take a step back and ask another question: who votes? Or more importantly, who does not? By Dr Leo Azzollini, Postdoctoral Researcher at the University of Oxford’s Institute for New Economic Thinking, Department of Social Policy, and Nuffield College. It is widely known, young people tend to vote less than older people: this is well-established in most democratic countries, and the UK is no exception to this pattern. But because of this life-cycle effect, young people have a key political disadvantage: their electoral weight is less than it should be, influencing both election results and policymaking. While less likely to vote, young people are, instead, more likely to experience spells of unemployment at the beginning of their careers. This is similarly problematic, because unemployment experiences decrease the probability of voting - even after an individual gets another job. I wonder if you ever read a word anyone says I said the party Corbyn inherited was unlikely to atteact tbe vote of the working man Ed Milliband thought it a good idea to pose in front of the ‘Ed Stone’, whatever DID happen to that ? A man of solid jewish parentage, he thought it fitting to publicly insult his mother by publicly eating a bacon sandwich as a photo opportunity. His first act as leader was to despatch the ex liberal party member, black terrorist apologist and sports pitch saboteur Peter Hain into supposed labour heartlands to ask WRF had gone so WRONG - with invitations sent to every resident in the ward, at huge expense. I went to the meeting at the local community hall and nearly died laughing by the way. But his last was to pose in the ‘second kitchenette’ of his multi million pound home toasting a slice of £3 a loaf artisan baked bread. Hardly a man keen to attract the votes of the average NMW earner. But Corbyn was little better. A friend of the mosque from which Captain Hook launched his support for islamic terrorism and a man who thought it better to soend party funds to mix with topless henba tattooed women at Glasto than give leadership on the isdue of tbe day. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 16, 2024 10:47:58 GMT
Are you saying the unemployed are more likely to vote Labour? Your wrong Double disadvantage: Unemployment, youth and electoral participation in the UK EXPERT OPINIONRESEARCHSOCIAL SCIENCES Who will win the next UK General Election? With January 2025, the date by which the election must be held, just 18 months away, the public sphere is again focusing on this question. But before we can forecast who will live in 10 Downing Street, we need to take a step back and ask another question: who votes? Or more importantly, who does not? By Dr Leo Azzollini, Postdoctoral Researcher at the University of Oxford’s Institute for New Economic Thinking, Department of Social Policy, and Nuffield College. It is widely known, young people tend to vote less than older people: this is well-established in most democratic countries, and the UK is no exception to this pattern. But because of this life-cycle effect, young people have a key political disadvantage: their electoral weight is less than it should be, influencing both election results and policymaking. While less likely to vote, young people are, instead, more likely to experience spells of unemployment at the beginning of their careers. This is similarly problematic, because unemployment experiences decrease the probability of voting - even after an individual gets another job. I wonder if you ever read a word anyone says I said the party Corbyn inherited was unlikely to atteact tbe vote of the working man Ed Milliband thought it a good idea to pose in front of the ‘Ed Stone’, whatever DID happen to that ? A man of solid jewish parentage, he thought it fitting to publicly insult his mother by publicly eating a bacon sandwich as a photo opportunity. His first act as leader was to despatch the ex liberal party member, black terrorist apologist and sports pitch saboteur Peter Hain into supposed labour heartlands to ask WRF had gone so WRONG - with invitations sent to every resident in the ward, at huge expense. I went to the meeting at the local community hall and nearly died laughing by the way. But his last was to pose in the ‘second kitchenette’ of his multi million pound home toasting a slice of £3 a loaf artisan baked bread. Hardly a man keen to attract the votes of the average NMW earner. But Corbyn was little better. A friend of the mosque from which Captain Hook launched his support for islamic terrorism and a man who thought it better to soend party funds to mix with topless henba tattooed women at Glasto than give leadership on the isdue of tbe day. OK you don't make it very Clear what your saying at all and your still. Not making it clear. And are you going on about Welsh labour a party the been elected Governance of Wales for the last 25yrs lol |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2024 14:25:58 GMT
I wonder if you ever read a word anyone says I said the party Corbyn inherited was unlikely to atteact tbe vote of the working man Ed Milliband thought it a good idea to pose in front of the ‘Ed Stone’, whatever DID happen to that ? A man of solid jewish parentage, he thought it fitting to publicly insult his mother by publicly eating a bacon sandwich as a photo opportunity. His first act as leader was to despatch the ex liberal party member, black terrorist apologist and sports pitch saboteur Peter Hain into supposed labour heartlands to ask WRF had gone so WRONG - with invitations sent to every resident in the ward, at huge expense. I went to the meeting at the local community hall and nearly died laughing by the way. But his last was to pose in the ‘second kitchenette’ of his multi million pound home toasting a slice of £3 a loaf artisan baked bread. Hardly a man keen to attract the votes of the average NMW earner. But Corbyn was little better. A friend of the mosque from which Captain Hook launched his support for islamic terrorism and a man who thought it better to soend party funds to mix with topless henba tattooed women at Glasto than give leadership on the isdue of tbe day. OK you don't make it very Clear what your saying at all and your still. Not making it clear. And are you going on about Welsh labour a party the been elected Governance of Wales for the last 25yrs lol Welsh labour have not been a majority since they royally fucked the electorate of the safest seat in wales, educate yourself in regard to the debacle of the 2005 ebbw vale election and how blair’s wokery gave the seat that sent nye bevan to create the nhs to an independent. The party lost its majority (of one) in the unicameral assembly that day and has ever since needed to take it up the shitter from the not so liberals or the cottage burner admirers …. You do know that, don’t you? |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 16, 2024 17:36:53 GMT
OK you don't make it very Clear what your saying at all and your still. Not making it clear. And are you going on about Welsh labour a party the been elected Governance of Wales for the last 25yrs lol Welsh labour have not been a majority since they royally fucked the electorate of the safest seat in wales, educate yourself in regard to the debacle of the 2005 ebbw vale election and how blair’s wokery gave the seat that sent nye bevan to create the nhs to an independent. The party lost its majority (of one) in the unicameral assembly that day and has ever since needed to take it up the shitter from the not so liberals or the cottage burner admirers …. You do know that, don’t you? What I do know labour been in power for 25yrs |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 16, 2024 17:57:07 GMT
I wonder if you ever read a word anyone says I said the party Corbyn inherited was unlikely to atteact tbe vote of the working man Ed Milliband thought it a good idea to pose in front of the ‘Ed Stone’, whatever DID happen to that ? A man of solid jewish parentage, he thought it fitting to publicly insult his mother by publicly eating a bacon sandwich as a photo opportunity. His first act as leader was to despatch the ex liberal party member, black terrorist apologist and sports pitch saboteur Peter Hain into supposed labour heartlands to ask WRF had gone so WRONG - with invitations sent to every resident in the ward, at huge expense. I went to the meeting at the local community hall and nearly died laughing by the way. But his last was to pose in the ‘second kitchenette’ of his multi million pound home toasting a slice of £3 a loaf artisan baked bread. Hardly a man keen to attract the votes of the average NMW earner. But Corbyn was little better. A friend of the mosque from which Captain Hook launched his support for islamic terrorism and a man who thought it better to soend party funds to mix with topless henba tattooed women at Glasto than give leadership on the isdue of tbe day. OK you don't make it very Clear what your saying at all and your still. Not making it clear. And are you going on about Welsh labour a party the been elected Governance of Wales for the last 25yrs lol lol. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 16, 2024 18:05:43 GMT
Off the too of my head Labour started moving away from the ‘ working class ‘ around the time of Roy Jenkins and Barbara Castle. Castle was behind the white paper ‘ in place of strife ‘ and Jenkins “ In this role, Jenkins embarked on a major reform programme; he sought to build what he described as "a civilised society", overseeing measures such as the effective abolition in Britain of both capital punishment and theatre censorship, the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality, relaxing of divorce law, suspension of birching and the liberalisation of abortion law.” www.google.com/gasearch?q=google%20&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5 |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2024 18:16:33 GMT
Welsh labour have not been a majority since they royally fucked the electorate of the safest seat in wales, educate yourself in regard to the debacle of the 2005 ebbw vale election and how blair’s wokery gave the seat that sent nye bevan to create the nhs to an independent. The party lost its majority (of one) in the unicameral assembly that day and has ever since needed to take it up the shitter from the not so liberals or the cottage burner admirers …. You do know that, don’t you? What I do know labour been in power for 25yrs No. Labour have not been ‘in power’ Labour has been at the beck and call of the lib dems who demanded carwyn the clod do things or they would vote against the labour minority and crash them. Until they took the last lib dem standing directly under their whip they were unable to get wankford declared first minister. Since then they have been reliant upon ever more nuthatch fuckwit cottage burners whose only interest is to fill streets with foreigners so as to drown tbe english language out. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2024 18:17:37 GMT
Off the too of my head Labour started moving away from the ‘ working class ‘ around the time of Roy Jenkins and Barbara Castle. Castle was behind the white paper ‘ in place of strife ‘ and Jenkins “ In this role, Jenkins embarked on a major reform programme; he sought to build what he described as "a civilised society", overseeing measures such as the effective abolition in Britain of both capital punishment and theatre censorship, the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality, relaxing of divorce law, suspension of birching and the liberalisation of abortion law.” www.google.com/gasearch?q=google%20&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5if by ‘working class’ you mean ‘unable to afford artisan baked bread’ you are damn right |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 16, 2024 18:26:33 GMT
Off the too of my head Labour started moving away from the ‘ working class ‘ around the time of Roy Jenkins and Barbara Castle. Castle was behind the white paper ‘ in place of strife ‘ and Jenkins “ In this role, Jenkins embarked on a major reform programme; he sought to build what he described as "a civilised society", overseeing measures such as the effective abolition in Britain of both capital punishment and theatre censorship, the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality, relaxing of divorce law, suspension of birching and the liberalisation of abortion law.” www.google.com/gasearch?q=google%20&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5if by ‘working class’ you mean ‘unable to afford artisan baked bread’ you are damn right Indeed. In those days working class and middle class were easy to distinguish. Working class were paid by the hour and middle class were paid a salary ( by the year). That meant that the wages class was seen as middle class but there you are . Another difference ( as observed by someone cleverer than me) was that the skilled working class wages reached their peak at 21 ( the time the apprentice did his time ) whereas middle class workers gradually increased their salary which peaked way after that . |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 17, 2024 6:52:07 GMT
Corbyn has never ever had a real job in his life, never got his hands dirty or oil under his fingernails, he worked in admin for a Union , then local Government Islington Council which was infamous back in the 70's , the lefties used to fly the Russian Flag over the Town Hall, they ran up huge debts
Corbyn had the benefit of a good education, no Secondary Modern School for him, worker my arse sat in a warm office for years
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 17, 2024 7:54:12 GMT
I'm 53 and during my lifetime Labour have never represented the working class.
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