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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 10, 2024 10:03:57 GMT
I'm not aware of any parliamentary constituency* that has gone ethnic that later reverts to normality.
*The exception being Tory safe seats into which ethnic candidates have been parachuted but which have an overwhelmingly non-ethnic electorate. An example is Rishi Sunak's constituency in North Yorkshire, one that will surely go back to being normal at the next election. Ditto Patel, Brawerman et al. Kwarteng has read the runes and already bailed out before being forceably ejected.
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Post by dappy on Feb 10, 2024 10:07:03 GMT
Nurse!!!! Nurse!!!! There’s more!!!!!
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 10, 2024 10:13:01 GMT
Nurse!!!! Nurse!!!! There’s more!!!!! Dappy, you keep calling for the nurse. She is obviously ignoring you so ffs stop yelling.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 10, 2024 10:13:51 GMT
dappy's ability to deny reality is truly impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 15:08:10 GMT
Nurse!!!! Nurse!!!! There’s more!!!!! Why don't you add something coherent to the thread, dappy. Let the Muslims have their own party if they want one. Labour will suffer and their policies will be clear in their Muslim manifesto.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 12, 2024 11:18:53 GMT
dappy's ability to deny reality is truly impressive. It's easy if you get your information only from the BBC and the Guardian - and you reject anything that doesn't fit with what they say. Someone said that if you can only afford one newspaper buy one that you don't agree with. That way you get a more balanced view. Unfortunately dappy's also a Lib Dim, so there's not much hope.
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Post by dappy on Feb 12, 2024 12:20:41 GMT
I absolutely agree Steppenwolf that people should seek news from ideally unbiased providers and listen to input from those who do not agree with their own world view. Anyone for example who listened purely to say GB News as their news source would be in danger of being radicalised in their echo chamber. Its why I make an effort to engage on this very "populist" leaning forum and to view and read Express and GB News websites regularly. There is no monopoly on good ideas after all and occasionally once you get beyond the clickbait and the endless oh my god we are all just about to suffer under killer snowfall/storms/heatwaves and the endless banging of the Kenneth Williams agenda, there are occasionally worthwhile insights to be taken into account.
I do make an effort to differentiate between fact and opinion however. Facts are facts - for example that airport airside at say Heathrow remains UK territory and legal jurisdiction. So while you are entitled to hold and articulate a silly opinion (eg people who happen to be muslims should be banned from parliament), you are less entitled to articulate factually wrong information (like airside at Heathrow is international not British land). I can tell you when you have your facts wrong, I can express my opinion that your opinions are laughably stupid. Do you see the difference?
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 13, 2024 13:07:47 GMT
When you're airside, you have NOT passed through UK border control. You remain within the secure area of the airport, and your movement is restricted to the departure lounge, gates, and other airside facilities. If you haven't passed through UK Border control you're not in the UK. That's why it's called "Border Control". Duh.
Your problem dappy is that you always try to make nit picking points rather than engage with the basic argument - and you usually get your facts wrong.
As for muslims being in Parliament, I think that we need to differentiate between Islam and other "religions". In fact Islam is not regarded as a religion - it's a "din" which means a way of life. There is a religion in there but there is also a political system and a legal system. Obviously the "religion" is a "protected" characteristic (for some unknown reason) so we have to accept it - but it's just the usual load of old rubbish like all religions so it doesn't matter.
But both the political and legal systems are an entirely different matter and both are in conflict with both British values and British law. If there were a political party that promoted Islamism it would be proscribed and sharia law is in breach of many British laws too. So how on earth can people of this belief be accepted into British Parliament. It makes no sense.
How can people whose stated aim is to create a global caliphate and whose intention is to eliminate the Jews possibly be allowed to making laws in our Parliament. These are the "New N A Z I S" - except they're far more dangerous than Hitler ever was. They shouldn't even be allowed into the country.
PS. whose daft idea was it to auto change "n a z i" to very bad people. FFS. They haven't gone away. They're just called muslims now. They still want to kill the Jews but they want to take over the world rather than just Europe. And they're busy trying to cause WW3 right at this moment.
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Post by dappy on Feb 13, 2024 13:35:30 GMT
I believe they did consider putting the border control posts at the point the aircraft's wheels hit the runway but they were a bit worried that the aircraft may not stop in time and they found the border control officers were struggling to run fast enough to do passport control out of the window. The simple fact remains that airport airside at Heathrow is British territory, British jurisdiction and were you say to commit murder between the aircraft steps and passport control you would face British courts. As I said before you are free to argue opinions. Facts are facts and you are simply wrong. So for example you could argue that Greenland should have rerun its referendum on leaving the EU - that is an opinion - but the fact is that they didn't and there was only one.
Your subsequent rant is unhinged and best ignored.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 14, 2024 8:21:51 GMT
Prat. The reason that you remain ignorant, dappy, is that you ignore anything that doesn't concur with your own daft ideas. UK Border control can be put anywhere you like - and until you've passed through it you're not in the UK.
As for the rant, you have to be very stupid not to see what's going on in the UK (and across the world). We're seeing muslim demonstrations that call for intifada in the UK and the annihilation of Israel and the Jews. We're also seeing MPs hounded out of office for being Jewish by death threats from muslims. Tobias Elwood and his family have been surrounded by a mob of muslims for supporting Israel. Does it remind you of anything? How stupid can you get.
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Post by dappy on Feb 14, 2024 10:25:24 GMT
Oh dear, this is getting all very "greenland referendum" like. Trying to hide behind insults to cover over yet another factual inaccuracy.
Airside at airports is British territory, British jurisdiction. Its just fact I am afraid. If you don't believe me, let's do a little experiment. book a plane ticket somewhere and then on your return on getting off the steps murder the person in front of you and then claim immunity because you are not in the UK. See how you get on.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 14, 2024 15:06:30 GMT
When you're "airside" you can go nowhere except within a controlled area - until you've gone through border control. You're in "detention" until you've provided the documentation that gives you the right to enter the country. Those are the facts, dopy. No papers no entry. We can do the same with the small boats.
You are a remarkably stupid person. Were you always like this?
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Post by dappy on Feb 14, 2024 15:51:08 GMT
Still trying to use insults to cover up your factual inaccuracy.
At the moment the passenger's feet hit the runway, he is in the UK and subject to all the rights, obligations and laws that being anywhere in the UK results in. Simple fact I am afraid. Your claim that "airside" is somehow international territory is simply nonsense.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 14, 2024 17:44:17 GMT
'Airside' is best considered as extra-territorial, neither completely within a country nor completely out of it. I'm sure we've all read stories of unfortunates who for one reason or another is stranded there in limbo, sometimes for years. Th fact of the matter is that you do not come under jurisdiction of a state from an immigration control perspective until you step over the invisible line marked 'The Border', usually when allowed to do so by an immigration officer. In every UK airport that I have been in the border is clearly indicated by large signage above the immigration inspection desks. Until you pass that point you are still extra-territorial. Of course one way to enter without the necessary documentation is to utter the magic words 'I wish to claim asylum' to an immigration officer. A screening interview will then take place to determine whether the claim can be registered; if yes, the claimant will be allowed to enter ('cross the border'). If not, the claimant will be sent to immigration detention, either a short-term holding facility at the airport itself if the claimant can be immediately returned, or a long-term one elsewhere if not. I see no reason why a similar protocol could not be implemented for small-boat arrivals, in fact I believe it already is at 'intake units' like that at Manston from where many Albanian channel-paddlers were deported without having 'crossed the border'. "...Last month’s removals include 22 people who were directly removed to their home country from Manston, the migrant processing centre in Kent." www.gov.uk/government/news/nearly-350-foreign-criminals-and-immigration-offenders-removedIn effect there is already a 'sea-side' protocol in place although it appears to be rather ad hoc at the moment. I see no immediate impediment to the government setting up other similar 'sea-side' holding centres from where there are two possible exit pathways: entry permitted as an asylum claimant on immigration bail, or immediate deportation via a detention centre without ever having crossed the border.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 14, 2024 18:04:13 GMT
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