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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 2, 2024 8:57:20 GMT
The local MP, a Bell Ribeiro-Addy, has told Radio 4 that she is concerned by 'the direction of questioning into Ezedi’s background.' Per Ms Ribeiro-Addy, the primary issue is violence against women and girls, not the alleged perpetrator's immigration status, their ethnicity and religion or the country they came from. The message is that these are a trivial irrelevancy in Labour's scheme of things and we are bad people for talking about them.
Editorial notes: Ms Ribeiro-Addy is of Ghanaian ancestry and used her maiden Commons speech to call for colonial reparations and justice for black people in Britain. Clearly an impartial voice to be taken into account this particular context.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 2, 2024 8:57:57 GMT
As always with incidents of this sort, it is far better to wait for facts to come out. If you don't you repeatedly make yourself look a fool. As it stands the most likely scenario here is that this was a dreadful domestic incident - nothing to do with race (whatever the colour of skin of those involved), nothing to do with multiculturalism, nothing to do with the London Mayor, nothing to do with London's strengths and weaknesses. I have said this to you before, Red. Your prejudices have become paranoia and you are being, perhaps have been, consumed. Please go and get some help. Didn’t the Left roll out that same pathetic excuse over the multiple stabbing of LGTBQ+ groups peacefully picnicking in a Reading Park during a Gay Pride Event? … a LONE NUTTER rather than a Cultural Incompatibility issue?? …. when are Far Extremist Leftists and their CENSORSHIP going to WAKE UP to the cultural incompatibilities broken border policies and Eugenics has engineered in Europe and the WEST? … to let acid-throwing cultures - mostly Middle Eastern/Indian/Pakistani cultures, (some Afro-Caribbean?) - now mass invade and permanently reside in our once relatively peaceful Countries … Having Muslims and Indians running the UK won’t get this problem seriously stopped will it? Like most people attracted into Administration by the power it gives … rather than ‘service to Country’ … …. they work firstly for their own financial gain …. secondly for their own people’s interest … it’s culture, religion, economy …. thirdly for their Party … it’s dictates kowtowing to WEF bullying. …. lastly the indigenous Community interests. Both Left and Right won’t give us solutions here … we need INDEPENDENT MP’s in a NEW PARLIAMENT building situated up NORTH to sort this UK problem. Hands-on representation … that isn’t biased towards immigrant interests … as is the current damaging situation where CONTROL is being lost to incompetent ineffective Administration and poor Law and Order. … that has given these violent immigrant cultures too much ‘soft handling’ … not enough FAST TRACK deportations. …. That would soon stop this ROT. …. As for the Rwanda Plan … likely another stoooopid secret immigrant/WEF initiative … designed-to-fail-at-great-expense-to-make-Brexit-look-a-bad-idea?? Ho hum … yet another one! The Millionaire Sunak Clan and Starmer are stooges to these foreigners … not REPRESENTATIVE to local UK community interests. What the heck happened to our Country’s economic good house-keeping ethics? … I’m convinced it ‘left the building’ after 9/11. 🤔 |
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Post by dappy on Feb 2, 2024 9:22:59 GMT
If this man is indeed Yazidi, I would have thought there is every chance that he is a refugee here. While a domestic issue or sadly a “honour” issue still look most likely, the severe facial injury, the violence to the child and the fact that the police say they don’t know the motive for the attack don’t seem to fit that explanation. I imagine we will know more in the next few days. The fetid peice of scum you are defending arrived in this country in 2016 from the EU in the back of a lorry, so he was an illegal. He was convicted of sex offences in 2018 and in 2021 was obviously granted asylum. I wonder how much this peice of foreign criminal shit has cost this country so far? And I wonder how many Abdul Ezedi's are in this country? 100,000 is probably a very conservative estimate. Nobody is “defending” Abdul Ezedi, Red. That exists purely in your paranoid imagination. There is 1 Abdul Ezedi in the country. Your estimate is rather a long way out. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2024 9:31:29 GMT
Dappy, you may mean well, but you come across as the kind of person who would let a serial killer out if he said sorry.
Some people are so dangerous they have to be kept out of society, for the good of everyone else.
There are three ways a society can remove dangerous threats.
One is deportation, another is incarceration.
We also have firearms officers in the Police.
And sometimes it has been necessary for them to put down a dangerous thug.
As much as you would wish we humans could all get along, the sad reality is that we are the same species as Ian Brady, Robert Black, Levis Bellfield and the shit who carried out this corrosive Alkali attack.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 2, 2024 9:31:44 GMT
The fetid peice of scum you are defending arrived in this country in 2016 from the EU in the back of a lorry, so he was an illegal. He was convicted of sex offences in 2018 and in 2021 was obviously granted asylum. I wonder how much this peice of foreign criminal shit has cost this country so far? And I wonder how many Abdul Ezedi's are in this country? 100,000 is probably a very conservative estimate. Nobody is “defending” Abdul Ezedi, Red. That exists purely in your paranoid imagination. There is 1 Abdul Ezedi in the country. Your estimate is rather a long way out. There’s more where he came from . They just have different names . |
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Post by dappy on Feb 2, 2024 10:04:40 GMT
Dappy, you may mean well, but you come across as the kind of person who would let a serial killer out if he said sorry. Some people are so dangerous they have to be kept out of society, for the good of everyone else. There are three ways a society can remove dangerous threats. One is deportation, another is incarceration. We also have firearms officers in the Police. And sometimes it has been necessary for them to put down a dangerous thug. As much as you would wish we humans could all get along, the sad reality is that we are the same species as Ian Brady, Robert Black, Levis Bellfield and the shit who carried out this corrosive Alkali attack. I am struggling to see what you point you are pushing back on Vinny. I agree with what you say. Sometimes people will need to go to prison - Ezedi when caught will undoubtedly fall into this category and there are times albeit very rare that police may have to shoot to kill as may well have been the case the other day. I agree too that humans can be a horrid species. What do you think we are disagreeing about? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 2, 2024 10:29:32 GMT
If any good is to come out of this episode it must surely be in the form of a forensic examination into the systemic rottenness of the UK's asylum system and all those who benefit from it, including migrants, lawyers, judges and charities. And politicians. I only wish that the normally complaisant and sympathetic legacy media do not shirk their duty and report the full, unsavoury facts to the general public who have generally been kept unaware of the background to this sordid business. They need to know names, dates, places and sources of financing for these travesties of natural justice. As an example, it appears that Edezi was accommodated by a charity in Newcastle that provides housing for failed asylum seekers. Action Foundation This operation lists one of its main functions as providing 'free accommodation and support to destitute migrants with no recourse to public funds to try and resolve their immigration status and plan for their future' Its latest accounts indicate it received almost £300,000 in government grants in 2023, while the rest of its £1.3 million income is derived from donations from other charitable trusts, including several of the usual suspects. A very strong light needs to be shone into the nooks and crannies of operations like this so that the public can express an opinion whether or not taxpayer-subsidised 'charities' which exist solely to support the undeserving in thwarting the immigration regulations should continue to exist.
It's time to clean out the Augean Stables.
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Post by dappy on Feb 2, 2024 10:38:53 GMT
I have just read the front page of the charity you link to Dan. It’s hard to argue with any of its aims listed.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 2, 2024 10:41:05 GMT
I'm sure that's because those aims are completely congruent with your own.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 2, 2024 10:48:01 GMT
It’s always right to wait for the facts John. There are still many questions to understand in respect of the attack and the motivation. We should know more in due course. If you want to talk asylum, let’s talk asylum. If you read my posting history you will see that I have been consistent that while we absolutely should accept people who need asylum, our process is shambolic and broken. I have been consistent in arguing that decision making should be sped up and that appeals restricted to one. We should learn from other countries in respect of their acceptance criteria - most accept a much lower percentage of claims. And of course we need to tighten up deporting those who fail Clearly someone who has committed a serious criminal offence should not be eligible for asylum. Why is our system so poor?. Because successive Home Secretaries over many years have been far more interested in tabloid headlines with nonsense schemes like Rwanda instead of doing the unglamorous but necessary boring job of fixing the system. Yet again the consequences of the likes of Johnson and Patel and Braverman’s power games have real life consequences. I've raised this as a separate thread in the labour party
I think it is important to understand whether the man who currently thinks he'll be prime minister soon approves of a system whereby those supposedly in fear of death at the hands of a country they have fled are allowed to commit all manner of crime IN THE UK while waiting for their APPEAL AGAINST THEIR BEING REJECTED FOR ASYLUM to be heard and then GET GRANTED Asylum.
I think a person who has so little respect for our laws that they commit sexual offences in this country while waiting to hear an application deserve to be thrown back where tey came from, at gunpoint
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Post by wapentake on Feb 2, 2024 10:57:22 GMT
The fetid peice of scum you are defending arrived in this country in 2016 from the EU in the back of a lorry, so he was an illegal. He was convicted of sex offences in 2018 and in 2021 was obviously granted asylum. I wonder how much this peice of foreign criminal shit has cost this country so far? And I wonder how many Abdul Ezedi's are in this country? 100,000 is probably a very conservative estimate. Nobody is “defending” Abdul Ezedi, Red. That exists purely in your paranoid imagination. There is 1 Abdul Ezedi in the country. Your estimate is rather a long way out.Whilst it's true and he is an individual there are approx 30000 asylum seekers on bail and though they haven't thrown a corrosive liquid as he has they aren't on bail for littering so the rule should be commit a crime (not a minor infraction) and you're out no questions asked.
These numbers are quoted by the grauniad so you can't blame red tops. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 2, 2024 10:57:49 GMT
Dappy, you may mean well, but you come across as the kind of person who would let a serial killer out if he said sorry. Some people are so dangerous they have to be kept out of society, for the good of everyone else. There are three ways a society can remove dangerous threats. One is deportation, another is incarceration. We also have firearms officers in the Police. And sometimes it has been necessary for them to put down a dangerous thug. As much as you would wish we humans could all get along, the sad reality is that we are the same species as Ian Brady, Robert Black, Levis Bellfield and the shit who carried out this corrosive Alkali attack. I am struggling to see what you point you are pushing back on Vinny. I agree with what you say. Sometimes people will need to go to prison - Ezedi when caught will undoubtedly fall into this category and there are times albeit very rare that police may have to shoot to kill as may well have been the case the other day. I agree too that humans can be a horrid species. What do you think we are disagreeing about? You came across as being soft on crime. This illegal immigrant sex predator incorrectly given asylum needs to go to prison, but in his own country. I sought reassurance that you agree that there are some crimes so awful, the offender should never be released. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 2, 2024 11:04:32 GMT
Nobody is “defending” Abdul Ezedi, Red. That exists purely in your paranoid imagination. There is 1 Abdul Ezedi in the country. Your estimate is rather a long way out.Whilst it's true and he is an individual there are approx 30000 asylum seekers on bail and though they haven't thrown a corrosive liquid as he has they aren't on bail for littering so the rule should be commit a crime (not a minor infraction) and you're out no questions asked.
These numbers are quoted by the grauniad so you can't blame red tops. I think you have completely misunderstood the article you link to. Maybe try reading it again? |
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Post by dappy on Feb 2, 2024 11:08:58 GMT
I am struggling to see what you point you are pushing back on Vinny. I agree with what you say. Sometimes people will need to go to prison - Ezedi when caught will undoubtedly fall into this category and there are times albeit very rare that police may have to shoot to kill as may well have been the case the other day. I agree too that humans can be a horrid species. What do you think we are disagreeing about? You came across as being soft on crime. This illegal immigrant sex predator incorrectly given asylum needs to go to prison, but in his own country. I sought reassurance that you agree that there are some crimes so awful, the offender should never be released. As we have discussed before, decisions on whether to keep people convicted of serious crimes now in prison in say 2050 will in reality be a decision for the Home Office in 2050 not now. There are certainly some people - you mentioned Levi Belfield - who I think it is extremely unlikely will ever be safe enough to release even on license. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 2, 2024 11:15:43 GMT
As always with incidents of this sort, it is far better to wait for facts to come out. If you don't you repeatedly make yourself look a fool. As it stands the most likely scenario here is that this was a dreadful domestic incident - nothing to do with race (whatever the colour of skin of those involved), nothing to do with multiculturalism, nothing to do with the London Mayor, nothing to do with London's strengths and weaknesses. I have said this to you before, Red. Your prejudices have become paranoia and you are being, perhaps have been, consumed. Please go and get some help. I think you've been made to look of a bit of a fool here. I also think you owe Red an apology for your insulting attitude and words towards him. Who knows, it may even raise the standard of debate you love to moan about. |
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