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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 20:48:40 GMT
On the general point about Letby's unsuccessful attempt to launch an appeal against her conviction, I am not surprised that it has been rejected.
The facts of the case, including evidence against her and evidence in her defence if any, has already been tested in a court of law, and a jury has found her guilty.
There can be no possible grounds for an appeal unless new evidence has been found to be presented since the original trial, or there is some evidence casting doubt on the integrity of the first trial. I doubt Letby had either.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 7, 2024 21:24:53 GMT
On the general point about Letby's unsuccessful attempt to launch an appeal against her conviction, I am not surprised that it has been rejected. The facts of the case, including evidence against her and evidence in her defence if any, has already been tested in a court of law, and a jury has found her guilty. There can be no possible grounds for an appeal unless new evidence has been found to be presented since the original trial, or there is some evidence casting doubt on the integrity of the first trial. I doubt Letby had either. I think I’m in a minority of one here,on her conviction I had misgivings because she was convicted on circumstantial evidence. I am probably wrong but given the death rates at numerous other maternity units I found it even more disturbing. Also don’t count on new evidence link |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 8, 2024 7:57:08 GMT
Serial child killer Lucy Letby has had an initial bid to challenge her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six refused by the Court of Appeal. The 34-year-old former nurse lodged an application for permission to appeal against her convictions in September. A judge has since refused her application after considering the case documents, a judicial spokeswoman said. Letby was sentenced to multiple whole life orders in August. The offences took place at the Countess of Chester Hospital's neonatal unit where Letby worked between June 2015 and June 2016. She was found guilty in crown court, and before she appeared in that court the prosecuting authorities would have had to jump through many hoops to dot the i's and cross the t's in order to satisfy the jury and trial judge that she was guilty as charged. Which they were. The only reason she challenged her conviction is because a lefty lawyer told her that as a convicted mass murderer she had a right to appeal. The fact that it's a pointless appeal doesn't matter, it makes absolutely no difference to Lucy Letby. What does matter is that at public expense, left wing lawyers are making an absolute killing. Exactly if the CPS had considered the evidence circumstantial and tangible was not strong enough to stand a fair chance of securing a conviction they would not have charged her or gone to trial |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 8, 2024 8:57:57 GMT
Serial child killer Lucy Letby has had an initial bid to challenge her convictions for murdering seven babies and attempting to kill another six refused by the Court of Appeal. The 34-year-old former nurse lodged an application for permission to appeal against her convictions in September. A judge has since refused her application after considering the case documents, a judicial spokeswoman said. Letby was sentenced to multiple whole life orders in August. The offences took place at the Countess of Chester Hospital's neonatal unit where Letby worked between June 2015 and June 2016. Give you Credit you.also post about crimes Committed by White English . Funny the usual. Right wingers of justice haven't commented on this Awful Crime. i wasn’t aware she had been encouraged to start an appeal What manner of court process even started to think there were grounds for thos bullshit waste of money ? What colour was her ambulance chasing smart arse lawyer and how much has he made from trying this stunt on ? |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 8, 2024 9:14:02 GMT
Give you Credit you.also post about crimes Committed by White English . Funny the usual. Right wingers of justice haven't commented on this Awful Crime. i wasn’t aware she had been encouraged to start an appeal What manner of court process even started to think there were grounds for thos bullshit waste of money ? What colour was her ambulance chasing smart arse lawyer and how much has he made from trying this stunt on ? People are entitled to an appeal John,would you have denied Andrew Malkinson his? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 8, 2024 9:40:42 GMT
i wasn’t aware she had been encouraged to start an appeal What manner of court process even started to think there were grounds for thos bullshit waste of money ? What colour was her ambulance chasing smart arse lawyer and how much has he made from trying this stunt on ? People are entitled to an appeal John,would you have denied Andrew Malkinson his? well that’s a good question. Reading Malkinson’s case as reported, many things become stark 1) it is clear that the police file contained both testimony that the victim left marks on the attacker's face and photographic evidence from her hands that showed physical damage consistent with that attack, whilst the accused had no such injury 2) as a qualified molecular biologist with both personal and professional past connections to south wales forensic science services, i must ask why said damage to the victim was not forensically examined for blood and tissue and matched to the defendant 3) the bbc news report states the evidence which was not passed to the defence was sat on by the official appeal court and only came to light when a charity investigated the matter Malkinson’s release was therefore the result of an investigation of the evidence, the result of which was yet another case of rabid incompetence, failure and / or corruption and i have no problem with that being brought to light. Do you have any view or information that suggests letby is in the slammer for the same sort of reason, that the prosecution has chosen to hide facts weakening their case ? |
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Post by dappy on Feb 8, 2024 10:02:20 GMT
I think Wapentake is defending, quite rightly, Letby's right to seek to appeal under our legal system, not asserting that she is necessarily innocent. Obviously without detailed knowledge of the case, Wapentake couldn't possibly know details of any evidence not presented, that would be her lawyers job to uncover. In this case I understand the Appeals Court has denied her the right to have her appeal heard suggesting that there are, currently at least, insufficient evidence or grounds to justify that appeal.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 8, 2024 10:10:07 GMT
People are entitled to an appeal John,would you have denied Andrew Malkinson his? well that’s a good question. Reading Malkinson’s case as reported, many things become stark 1) it is clear that the police file contained both testimony that the victim left marks on the attacker's face and photographic evidence from her hands that showed physical damage consistent with that attack, whilst the accused had no such injury 2) as a qualified molecular biologist with both personal and professional past connections to south wales forensic science services, i must ask why said damage to the victim was not forensically examined for blood and tissue and matched to the defendant 3) the bbc news report states the evidence which was not passed to the defence was sat on by the official appeal court and only came to light when a charity investigated the matter Malkinson’s release was therefore the result of an investigation of the evidence, the result of which was yet another case of rabid incompetence, failure and / or corruption and i have no problem with that being brought to light. Do you have any view or information that suggests letby is in the slammer for the same sort of reason, that the prosecution has chosen to hide facts weakening their case ? As I have stated John I have no better idea than any other bod on Letby’s innocence or guilt,what I do have are some doubts based on that she was convicted on circumstantial evidence and that there are a number of other maternity units across the country and nhs with concerning numbers of infant mortality. |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 8, 2024 11:41:23 GMT
Give you Credit you.also post about crimes Committed by White English . Funny the usual. Right wingers of justice haven't commented on this Awful Crime. i wasn’t aware she had been encouraged to start an appeal What manner of court process even started to think there were grounds for thos bullshit waste of money ? What colour was her ambulance chasing smart arse lawyer and how much has he made from trying this stunt on ? As Wapentake has stated everyone has a right to Appeal against their Conviction and or Sentence , they must lodge an appeal within 28 days of their Conviction to the Court of Appeal, which her defence team did, the Appeal Court decided that there were no legal grounds to grant her Appeal If at some time in the future new evidence comes to light that was not known about at the time of her Trial then the Appeal Court will consider her Appeal again |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 8, 2024 12:09:03 GMT
well that’s a good question. Reading Malkinson’s case as reported, many things become stark 1) it is clear that the police file contained both testimony that the victim left marks on the attacker's face and photographic evidence from her hands that showed physical damage consistent with that attack, whilst the accused had no such injury 2) as a qualified molecular biologist with both personal and professional past connections to south wales forensic science services, i must ask why said damage to the victim was not forensically examined for blood and tissue and matched to the defendant 3) the bbc news report states the evidence which was not passed to the defence was sat on by the official appeal court and only came to light when a charity investigated the matter Malkinson’s release was therefore the result of an investigation of the evidence, the result of which was yet another case of rabid incompetence, failure and / or corruption and i have no problem with that being brought to light. Do you have any view or information that suggests letby is in the slammer for the same sort of reason, that the prosecution has chosen to hide facts weakening their case ? As I have stated John I have no better idea than any other bod on Letby’s innocence or guilt,what I do have are some doubts based on that she was convicted on circumstantial evidence and that there are a number of other maternity units across the country and nhs with concerning numbers of infant mortality. John none of Malkinson's DNA was found on her or her clothing, which IMHO means she did not contact the Police until some time later, she had probably showered and washed her clothes all DNA gone, she allegedly scratched her attacker again she probably scrubbed herself. She picked Malkinson out of an ID Parade and he had no injuries, I am surprised the CPS actually charged him and he was convicted basically on her word against his. Some years later due to advances in DNA technics a tiny trace of DNA was found on her clothing and it was not his, from what I can remember that what kept quite either by the Police or the CPS. Letby was not convicted on just circumstantial evidence alone although lots of it much of it gathered from her home, but other evidence given by the Medical Staff Doctors Nurses and Pathologists, all other members of staff were eliminated the only Nurse that was in that Ward alone at the time was Letby |
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Post by dappy on Feb 8, 2024 12:13:20 GMT
The reason none of Malkinson's DNA was found on the victims clothing, Handyside, was because he wasn't there!
Letby was convicted by a jury based on the evidence presented to them. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we have to assume they did their job conscientiously and accurately.
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