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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 29, 2024 0:20:07 GMT
If it is obviously not genocide then why is it currently being investigated to see if it is genocide? So an allegation equals guilt now, does it? I didn't say it was. I was merely questioning why it was stated that it "obviously wasn't". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2024 1:33:32 GMT
A genocide does not cease to be a genocide just because the perpetrators are commemorating the victims of an earlier genocide against them. Having said that, I would not call this a deliberate act of genocide, but there clearly is a large measure of indiscriminate killing amounting to de facto collective punishment. As such it has more in common with Guernica than Auschwitz I tend to agree in general. It's obviously not genocide but there has been indiscriminate killing. The thought I have though is can you name a war when there has not been indiscriminate killing?. The only time I can think of was the Falklands and there civilians are vastly outnumbered by sheep and penguins - otherwise it's a pretty normal war. That part of World War 2 that was fought in North Africa saw little indiscriminate killing of civilians, but for similar reasons to the ones you cite for the Falklands, ie the scarcity of actual civilians, most of the fighting taking place in empty desert. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 29, 2024 5:02:31 GMT
Well at least the peice if scum has been suspended... Labour MP Kate Osamor has whip suspended over Holocaust memorial post referring to Gaza..
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2024 8:02:05 GMT
It's obviously not genocide If it is obviously not genocide then why is it currently being investigated to see if it is genocide? Political stunt by South Africa and their supporters at the UN. Genocide is the extermination of a race of people - which obviously is not happening. |
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Post by piglet on Jan 29, 2024 9:35:02 GMT
Witchfinder, For you to say further back that the Palestinian population are innocent is very naive. Yes they are guilty, how many warned or informed the Israelis of what was coming,? none. Would they do to the Israelis what the Isrealis are doing now?, yes. I am not callous or anthing else, all im telling you of how it is.
You will disagree with that, oh well. If i were a father and had a family in gaza i would move out, like now, and before this war broke out, im not stupid. My family would be more important than hating the Isrealis. Stupidity is rampant though, the dumb stay, knowing they will be used as shields, and the children will die.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2024 12:35:56 GMT
A genocide does not cease to be a genocide just because the perpetrators are commemorating the victims of an earlier genocide against them. Having said that, I would not call this a deliberate act of genocide, but there clearly is a large measure of indiscriminate killing amounting to de facto collective punishment. As such it has more in common with Guernica than Auschwitz I tend to agree in general. It's obviously not genocide but there has been indiscriminate killing. The thought I have though is can you name a war when there has not been indiscriminate killing?. The only time I can think of was the Falklands and there civilians are vastly outnumbered by sheep and penguins - otherwise it's a pretty normal war. I did look that up and found that 3 women islanders were killed by our own RN shelling, but there was no genocide proceedings brought, as it was unintended collateral damage. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 29, 2024 13:50:42 GMT
If it is obviously not genocide then why is it currently being investigated to see if it is genocide? Political stunt by South Africa and their supporters at the UN. Genocide is the extermination of a race of people - which obviously is not happening. Your definition is incorrect. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 29, 2024 15:31:34 GMT
If it is obviously not genocide then why is it currently being investigated to see if it is genocide? Political stunt by South Africa and their supporters at the UN. Genocide is the extermination of a race of people - which obviously is not happening. So the Nazis,Communism .otterman empire and European Empire's didn't Commit Grenoside according to. Your Definition? Mao Tse-tung’s Cultural Revolution The Holocaust The Armenian Genocide The Herero Genocide Genocide of the Native Americans None Genocide according to you |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2024 17:21:47 GMT
Political stunt by South Africa and their supporters at the UN. Genocide is the extermination of a race of people - which obviously is not happening. Your definition is incorrect. No it is not - "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group." |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2024 17:22:40 GMT
Political stunt by South Africa and their supporters at the UN. Genocide is the extermination of a race of people - which obviously is not happening. So the Nazis,Communism .otterman empire and European Empire's didn't Commit Grenoside according to. Your Definition? Mao Tse-tung’s Cultural Revolution The Holocaust The Armenian Genocide The Herero Genocide Genocide of the Native Americans None Genocide according to you some were - some were not |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 29, 2024 17:25:42 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 29, 2024 21:43:52 GMT
Your definition is incorrect. No it is not - "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2024 22:10:07 GMT
No it is not - "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. The number of Palestinians living in Israel has risen each year since 1948 - if the aim is to eradicate Palestinians the Jews are not very effective. I would remind you that the Israel also had control of Gaza until 2005 (when they unilaterally withdrew) - and yet even then there was no attempt at genocide.. The only way you can call this spat a genocide is if you rewrite the definition of genocide - which you seem quite happy to do. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 29, 2024 22:14:33 GMT
I've just quoted you the UN definition. It is not the same as your dictionary definition, hence your confusion.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 30, 2024 7:37:38 GMT
I've just quoted you the UN definition. It is not the same as your dictionary definition, hence your confusion. Of course if you change the definition you are going to change what constitutes a genocide - rather like the posters around here who see everyone who disagrees with them as 'far-right'. Personally I'll stick to the historical definition and not one dreamt up by an organisation that has a long history of anti-israel bias and whose own employees take part in terrorist attacks against Israel. |
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