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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 18:27:22 GMT
both John of gwent and I have asked you questions which you sidestepped. you appear to be getting a bit hysterical zany. your arguments aren't stacking up in any way shape or form . You asked, I answered, you ignored. End of. you didnt answer , and I didnt ignore. When asked what the cost of ignoring the alleged climate disaster would be , you basically implied the weather was going to do what its always done thoughout history . That's not any sort of answer. You are presenting the norm as unusual , and then telling us to fight the weathers normal behaviour , on an island that sits off the north west coast of the European continent at the edge of a vast ocean , with a wet and windy climate , we have to put our hands in our pockets and pay those nice trusty politicians lots of punitive taxes to combat something that is nothing more than a natural occurrence. thought this article in the times was quite apt on this very subject...
Green policies come at a cost and discontent at paying the price is not confined to Germany. While comfortably off policymakers can afford to upgrade to an electric car or buy the latest heat pump, most people cannot. And while taxes on flying rarely seem to stop environmentalists jetting off to global summits, they can make a family holiday abroad unaffordable for many. Striving for net zero might mean moral satisfaction for some but it means a colder, harder, more impoverished life for the rest.Green policies come at a cost and discontent at paying the price is not confined to Germany. While comfortably off policymakers can afford to upgrade to an electric car or buy the latest heat pump, most people cannot. And while taxes on flying rarely seem to stop environmentalists jetting off to global summits, they can make a family holiday abroad unaffordable for many. Striving for net zero might mean moral satisfaction for some but it means a colder, harder, more impoverished life for the rest.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/20d7dbdd-98a0-4ecd-b486-204b843e33d1?shareToken=dc87362ec038051a2493a03a3469f6be |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 14, 2024 18:49:18 GMT
"Striving for net zero might mean moral satisfaction for some but it means a colder, harder, more impoverished life for the rest."
This is true but it seems that people are finally waking up to the astronomical costs of Net Zero (£50 Billion a year for the UK alone) and the damge it is going to do to their lifestyle.
Hopefully we will see a push for a more considered approach in the future that protects the prosperity of the people.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 20:01:57 GMT
another reality check for the climate cultists.........
Working class overwhelmingly prioritizes manufacturing over climate change
“Policymakers often consider laws that would change how goods are produced, in ways that might have large benefits in the long run but would also lead to higher prices in the short run. Two topics that have received a lot of attention in recent years are the risks of climate change and the decline of manufacturing. If you had to support at least one policy that would raise prices for you, which would be a higher priority for you?”
Overall, 62% of adults said they would rather pay higher prices to strengthen American manufacturing than pay higher prices to combat climate change. But the breakdown by class was even more revealing.
According to the poll, 67% of working-class respondents (defined as those without a college degree and household income between $30,000 and $80,000) chose manufacturing over climate change, while just 33% chose climate change
www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2791999/working-class-prioritizes-manufacturing-over-climate-change/ |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 14, 2024 20:13:50 GMT
Cost a quarter the amount to run than what ? Or when ? Be specific. I’m off to get some popcorn. exactly John. Vague banal insinuations and throw away comments , and runs away when pressed on detail. I was interested in electric cars , until speaking to friends and acquaintances who have an electric car , or know others who have them , and reading up on them , and the information makes grim reading. lack of charging points, battery fires , higher insurance premiums , high energy costs to charge them and much more including poor range when fully loaded , doesn't encourage investing in an electric vehicle. Like I said , the green cult is all fine and dandy until it comes to who is paying the bills , and then it all falls flat on its arse. i’ve owned one and i agree absolutely. Zany will no doubt start thinking of attacking me for buying, and therefore knowing about, one of the early models but the fact is my grand daughter was, last year, invited to spend the pre-easter weekend down at the Haven holiday village near Exmouth, to keep her friend out of her parents hair and wits while they took the static caravan out of its winter mothballs so to speak Said parents have the sort of money i had as a freelancer and drive a Tesla They got to the holiday park with 40 miles to spare and dad spent hours wandering round on a pushbike trying to find a charger that worked instead of getting the work to prep their caravan/ chalet or whatever. A holidaymaker stupid enough to venture to this backwoods in an EV of Tesla’s supposed range would therefore have to charge up at whatever facility they could find, at an outrageous price, and with significant delay, not once, but twice. My current and immediately prior diesel could do it therecand back on less than a tank. My wife’s petrol would need a refill on tbe way back at the sainsbury’s hypermarket which would give me time to stop off in the shop and take a piss and save stopping at a services on the way back It is a fact EV’s will force the public to abandon the lifestyle their parents and grandparents took for granted. This IS the plan. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 20:30:11 GMT
exactly John. Vague banal insinuations and throw away comments , and runs away when pressed on detail. I was interested in electric cars , until speaking to friends and acquaintances who have an electric car , or know others who have them , and reading up on them , and the information makes grim reading. lack of charging points, battery fires , higher insurance premiums , high energy costs to charge them and much more including poor range when fully loaded , doesn't encourage investing in an electric vehicle. Like I said , the green cult is all fine and dandy until it comes to who is paying the bills , and then it all falls flat on its arse. i’ve owned one and i agree absolutely. Zany will no doubt start thinking of attacking me for buying, and therefore knowing about, one of the early models but the fact is my grand daughter was, last year, invited to spend the pre-easter weekend down at the Haven holiday village near Exmouth, to keep her friend out of her parents hair and wits while they took the static caravan out of its winter mothballs so to speak Said parents have the sort of money i had as a freelancer and drive a Tesla They got to the holiday park with 40 miles to spare and dad spent hours wandering round on a pushbike trying to find a charger that worked instead of getting the work to prep their caravan/ chalet or whatever. A holidaymaker stupid enough to venture to this backwoods in an EV of Tesla’s supposed range would therefore have to charge up at whatever facility they could find, at an outrageous price, and with significant delay, not once, but twice. My current and immediately prior diesel could do it therecand back on less than a tank. My wife’s petrol would need a refill on tbe way back at the sainsbury’s hypermarket which would give me time to stop off in the shop and take a piss and save stopping at a services on the way back It is a fact EV’s will force the public to abandon the lifestyle their parents and grandparents took for granted. This IS the plan. Thanks for that John . It looks as though the climate alarmists , let's call them what they are, have a major fight on their hands as people are now starting to wake up big time. Ive had an amateur interest in climatology since childhood , and I am a member of a weather forum. The more we delve into the arguments for and against ( previously I had an open mind) the more alarmed im becoming by the argument these cultists are pushing , and the sacrifices and punitive taxation they are expecting us to take onboard . Even as they stand don't make one ounce of sense from everything im hearing , reading , and being told about from friends family and acquaintances. The argument for them doesn't stack up , from the cost , or lease , to charging , to range capacity and much else. My previous family vehicle was initially leased , and I eventually bought it when the lease term ended as I looked into hybrid and all electric vehicles and for what we wanted space , pulling power and much else especially cost , getting an EV or hybrid just didnt add up. Locally there are very few charging points , if you don't live in a detached house with your own drive , for example in a tenement flat , you are in big trouble when it comes to charging an EV. They are nothing but a rich mans toy , and rich men are starting to lose patience with them as we can see with faltering sales. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 14, 2024 20:37:53 GMT
The other point i would make is every time i look up china, c92 emissions and so on all i see back in my results are statements that say they emit emit more than any other country, emit eight tons oer head of population to the five we emitted last year, and emit thirty per cent of the world’s co2
The twat down the road who regularly piped up on our council that we need to do more about recycling was challenged by one of her former party colleagues to admit that according to their own figures we were the second most compliant recycling townnin tbe entire fucking UK and that perhaps her whingeing would be better aimed at any of the fifty towns listed by her precious fellow tree hugging twats who are known to be the fifty worst recyclers in tbe country, on the basis that the best improvements come where there is most scope for improvement
Her answer was to introduce a party membership quorum requirement in order to speak at the meetings
Clearly tbe green leaning twats in councils don't like facing facts.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 14, 2024 20:44:55 GMT
i’ve owned one and i agree absolutely. Zany will no doubt start thinking of attacking me for buying, and therefore knowing about, one of the early models but the fact is my grand daughter was, last year, invited to spend the pre-easter weekend down at the Haven holiday village near Exmouth, to keep her friend out of her parents hair and wits while they took the static caravan out of its winter mothballs so to speak Said parents have the sort of money i had as a freelancer and drive a Tesla They got to the holiday park with 40 miles to spare and dad spent hours wandering round on a pushbike trying to find a charger that worked instead of getting the work to prep their caravan/ chalet or whatever. A holidaymaker stupid enough to venture to this backwoods in an EV of Tesla’s supposed range would therefore have to charge up at whatever facility they could find, at an outrageous price, and with significant delay, not once, but twice. My current and immediately prior diesel could do it therecand back on less than a tank. My wife’s petrol would need a refill on tbe way back at the sainsbury’s hypermarket which would give me time to stop off in the shop and take a piss and save stopping at a services on the way back It is a fact EV’s will force the public to abandon the lifestyle their parents and grandparents took for granted. This IS the plan. Thanks for that John . It looks as though the climate alarmists , let's call them what they are, have a major fight on their hands as people are now starting to wake up big time. Ive had an amateur interest in climatology since childhood , and I am a member of a weather forum. The more we delve into the arguments for and against ( previously I had an open mind) the more alarmed im becoming by the argument these cultists are pushing , and the sacrifices and punitive taxation they are expecting us to take onboard . Even as they stand don't make one ounce of sense from everything im hearing , reading , and being told about from friends family and acquaintances. The argument for them doesn't stack up , from the cost , or lease , to charging , to range capacity and much else. My previous family vehicle was initially leased , and I eventually bought it when the lease term ended as I looked into hybrid and all electric vehicles and for what we wanted space , pulling power and much else especially cost , getting an EV or hybrid just didnt add up. Locally there are very few charging points , if you don't live in a detached house with your own drive , for example in a tenement flat , you are in big trouble when it comes to charging an EV. They are nothing but a rich mans toy , and rich men are starting to lose patience with them as we can see with faltering sales. Now on the subject of HYBRIDS. I’d definitely buy one of them for Sarah Her Dyslexia and other issues made it impossible for her to handle a manual car, she drove an auto for a while. A hybrid gives the advantages of electric’s acceleration with 500+ range on a tank, 1000+ if it’s a diesel hybrid as my mate owns. The issue i would need to watch for is what Jill next door had with her Lexus. Driving 40,000 miles plus a year for the NHS she bought a three year old early model lexus. The battery shagged itself inside the next two years snd she was lucky to get 26mog thereafter as tbe engine wasted its time ‘charging’ a brick. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 14, 2024 20:50:08 GMT
exactly John. Vague banal insinuations and throw away comments , and runs away when pressed on detail. I was interested in electric cars , until speaking to friends and acquaintances who have an electric car , or know others who have them , and reading up on them , and the information makes grim reading. lack of charging points, battery fires , higher insurance premiums , high energy costs to charge them and much more including poor range when fully loaded , doesn't encourage investing in an electric vehicle. Like I said , the green cult is all fine and dandy until it comes to who is paying the bills , and then it all falls flat on its arse. i’ve owned one and i agree absolutely. Zany will no doubt start thinking of attacking me for buying, and therefore knowing about, one of the early models but the fact is my grand daughter was, last year, invited to spend the pre-easter weekend down at the Haven holiday village near Exmouth, to keep her friend out of her parents hair and wits while they took the static caravan out of its winter mothballs so to speak Said parents have the sort of money i had as a freelancer and drive a Tesla They got to the holiday park with 40 miles to spare and dad spent hours wandering round on a pushbike trying to find a charger that worked instead of getting the work to prep their caravan/ chalet or whatever. A holidaymaker stupid enough to venture to this backwoods in an EV of Tesla’s supposed range would therefore have to charge up at whatever facility they could find, at an outrageous price, and with significant delay, not once, but twice. My current and immediately prior diesel could do it therecand back on less than a tank. My wife’s petrol would need a refill on tbe way back at the sainsbury’s hypermarket which would give me time to stop off in the shop and take a piss and save stopping at a services on the way back It is a fact EV’s will force the public to abandon the lifestyle their parents and grandparents took for granted. This IS the plan. There is fuck all down here for charging lemons John. I know Exmouth very well its just across the bay from me. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 14, 2024 20:50:43 GMT
Further scientific evidence has been produced to show that summer sea ice in the Arctic has shown no significant decline since 2007. The facts produced make a mockery of attempts by alarmists such as Al Gore and Sir David Attenborough to push the collectivist Net Zero agenda by stating that all the ice will be gone in just a few years. A leading Danish scientist notes a fall in sea ice between 1997 and 2007, but minimal loss in the 44-year satellite record both before and after this period. Furthermore, he concludes in a recently published paper that there is no apparent correlation between the variable extent of Arctic sea ice and the gradually increasing concentrations of the trace gas carbon dioxide. Continue reading... dailysceptic.org/2024/01/10/no-arctic-sea-ice-isnt-falling/The actual paper behind that article confirms the sea ice is declining just not as fast as some have claimed scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/Astrup-Jensen-2023-Time-Trend-Arctic-Sea-Ice.pdf
'The facts are, that the Arctic Sea ice extent measured by satellites since 1978 expresses annual variations and it has declined considerably from 1997 to 2007. However, before that time period,
from 1978 to 1996, the downward trend was minimal, and in the last 17 years from 2007 to 2023 the downward trend has also been about zero . . .Regarding the extent of the summer (February) sea ice at the Antarctic, the downward trend during the years 1979-2021 was very small but in 2022 and 2023 a considerable decline was observed, and a decline was also clearly observed for the whole period of 2007- 2023.'You Daily Septic 'isn't shrinking' headline is at best misleading. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 14, 2024 21:54:53 GMT
Further scientific evidence has been produced to show that summer sea ice in the Arctic has shown no significant decline since 2007. The facts produced make a mockery of attempts by alarmists such as Al Gore and Sir David Attenborough to push the collectivist Net Zero agenda by stating that all the ice will be gone in just a few years. A leading Danish scientist notes a fall in sea ice between 1997 and 2007, but minimal loss in the 44-year satellite record both before and after this period. Furthermore, he concludes in a recently published paper that there is no apparent correlation between the variable extent of Arctic sea ice and the gradually increasing concentrations of the trace gas carbon dioxide. Continue reading... dailysceptic.org/2024/01/10/no-arctic-sea-ice-isnt-falling/The actual paper behind that article confirms the sea ice is declining just not as fast as some have claimed scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/Astrup-Jensen-2023-Time-Trend-Arctic-Sea-Ice.pdf
'The facts are, that the Arctic Sea ice extent measured by satellites since 1978 expresses annual variations and it has declined considerably from 1997 to 2007. However, before that time period,
from 1978 to 1996, the downward trend was minimal, and in the last 17 years from 2007 to 2023 the downward trend has also been about zero . . .Regarding the extent of the summer (February) sea ice at the Antarctic, the downward trend during the years 1979-2021 was very small but in 2022 and 2023 a considerable decline was observed, and a decline was also clearly observed for the whole period of 2007- 2023.'You Daily Septic 'isn't shrinking' headline is at best misleading. What should they have said? Has stopped shrinking? The whole point was that the models, the experts, the forecasters, the doomsayers almost to a man implied, and stated, that the Arctic sea ice was disappearing and by 'sometime soon' would be a thing of the past yet in 2007 it stopped. Emissions rose unabated yet the supposed relationship, much supported by the alarmist lobby, between the emissions and the shrinking sea ice diverged and now we are expected to look at it long term. Should we look at trends or events it is never clear with the alarmists. An event that strengthens their case is held up for all to see, an event that works against the narrative is a blip. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 15, 2024 7:35:59 GMT
[Three in four Britons think climate change is a serious global threat (77%), with one in four (25%) saying it is out of control but just over half (52%) saying there is still time to deal with it. More generally, 77% of Britons are concerned about climate change / global warming.  Seems the cultists have it. And calling us cultists is insulting but pointless. All these stats prove is the power of Media, Globalist, scientific brainwashing …. an example where manipulation of stats and dubious questionable scientific data and dodgy conclusions can be used to levy more tax and grants … and uber profits for a pompous set of elitists who think defunding us will solve climate change. Every person of intelligence knows that challenging scientist’s data is necessary these days. They are whore’s just like JUST STOP OIL activists … funded by Globalists only interested in making money … ££$$€€¥¥ Green taxes are just a money spinner. Scientists have an easy life … holiday work for privileged people. 1) sea level rising was a ‘fake’ narrative, (localised landmass sink and heave) … and some tight camera angled photos. 2) ice melt at the Poles, if proven as not just periodical… was more down to scientists and eco-tourists and military intrusion with ice-breaker ships and aircraft … than fossil fuel burning in largely Northern Hemisphere dominant economies 3) scientists should recognise that 99% of sea/ air warming is the result of tectonic plate activity and arson … ocean hot vents and volcanic activity … if that increases cyclically … nothing we can do about that. Human impact is minimal. Another false flag claim. The more we question the science … the more we realise how flakey and inconclusive it is. When it comes to BULLSHITTING … scientists excel at the art! |
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