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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 15:47:41 GMT
well those poor buggers you mock reading their alleged stupidity are sensible enough to know the regressive ulez scams in the big cities like glesca and London are hammering the poor working class guys in their old cars that don't have ad blue more than they are hammering the more well off . . Now they work well, they cost a quarter the amount to run and they are out selling new diesels cars 2 to 1. Everyone hates change till it happens. eh? Electric car sales have fallen this year ... Electric car sales have hit a bump in the road after demand from private motorists fell sharply last month, figures show. The 14.3 per cent decline means that fewer than one in ten private buyers of new cars opted for a battery-powered vehicle. Another nail in the 'net zero' coffin as consumers opt out. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12600287/Public-demand-electric-cars-falls-sharply-14-fewer-one-10-private-buyers-new-cars-opt-EVs-figures-show.html and china is dominating the electric car market , unseating the europeans and north americans and causing major job losses. In a huge blow to the electric car market and Net Zero goals, EV sales have plummeted, making up just a quarter of new purchases. Just 23% of vehicles bought in 2023 were EVs, compared to 33% in 2022. www.thesun.co.uk/motors/25269522/electric-car-sales-decrease/ Even before petrol cars are phased out, China already has a massive 83% market share in Australia's electric car sales. The Net Zero objective will only increase the West's dependence on China
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11249021/Chinas-secret-plot-make-Australia-dependent-electric-cars-else.html
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Post by zanygame on Jan 14, 2024 15:49:04 GMT
Hardly a surprise people don't want extra costs at the moment. But you are right, no one has ever explained to the public the cost of doing nothing about climate change. You added the word unnecessary. whats the cost zany? The cost of adapting a country designed of centuries for one type of weather that then gets a different type of weather. The fact our land drains are not designed for flash flooding our roofs not designed for 40 degree heat, our rivers, drains, sluices etc not designed for a months rain in 3 days. Go to any French or Spanish town on the Med and you will see storm drains 30ft wide running through the middles. That's because their climate creates massive thunderstorms which release tons of rain in a few minutes. We didn't used to get that weather other than a once in every 100 freak event. Then there's the insects, moulds, fungi, viruses, that our plants have no natural protection against because they couldn't live in our climate, but they're here now.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 14, 2024 15:50:48 GMT
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 15:52:20 GMT
You added the word unnecessary. whats the cost zany? The cost of adapting a country designed of centuries for one type of weather that then gets a different type of weather. The fact our land drains are not designed for flash flooding our roofs not designed for 40 degree heat, our rivers, drains, sluices etc not designed for a months rain in 3 days. Go to any French or Spanish town on the Med and you will see storm drains 30ft wide running through the middles. That's because their climate creates massive thunderstorms which release tons of rain in a few minutes. We didn't used to get that weather other than a once in every 100 freak event. Then there's the insects, moulds, fungi, viruses, that our plants have no natural protection against because they couldn't live in our climate, but they're here now. which country ? The uk ? What weather are we adapted to , and what are we getting that's different? your arguments about green issues are failing , so you resort to telling us if we don't vote for punitive green taxes , we are going to get fire flood and armageddon? back to project fear zany ?
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 15:55:47 GMT
so that's twice now you have hidden behind the col crises , first by implying people would generally want to pay punitive green taxes , just not at the moment during the col crises , and now after implying electric vehicles are selling well , you then run and hide behind the col crises when confronted by yet more evidence? The people who generally buy electric vehicles are wealthier , and less affected by the cost of living . could it be zany , what has been described as nothing more than a rich mans toy, electric cars aren't selling because the public aren't enthused by them?
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Post by zanygame on Jan 14, 2024 15:58:20 GMT
The cost of adapting a country designed of centuries for one type of weather that then gets a different type of weather. The fact our land drains are not designed for flash flooding our roofs not designed for 40 degree heat, our rivers, drains, sluices etc not designed for a months rain in 3 days. Go to any French or Spanish town on the Med and you will see storm drains 30ft wide running through the middles. That's because their climate creates massive thunderstorms which release tons of rain in a few minutes. We didn't used to get that weather other than a once in every 100 freak event. Then there's the insects, moulds, fungi, viruses, that our plants have no natural protection against because they couldn't live in our climate, but they're here now. which country ? The uk ? What weather are we adapted to , and what are we getting that's different? your arguments about green issues are failing , so you resort to telling us if we don't vote for punitive green taxes , we are going to get fire flood and armageddon? back to project fear zany ? I'm done. Project fear, Armageddon. Cultists Blah blah. There's no sensible conversation to be had with you.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 16:06:14 GMT
which country ? The uk ? What weather are we adapted to , and what are we getting that's different? your arguments about green issues are failing , so you resort to telling us if we don't vote for punitive green taxes , we are going to get fire flood and armageddon? back to project fear zany ? I'm done. Project fear, Armageddon. Cultists Blah blah. There's no sensible conversation to be had with you. hang on zany. you are the one making ridiculous predictions of doom and gloom if we don't agree to be taxed punitively to fight some mysterious impending global disaster. Im simply asking for a bit more detail and some facts. So far , the detail from you green cultists is extremely lacking .
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Post by zanygame on Jan 14, 2024 16:09:51 GMT
I'm done. Project fear, Armageddon. Cultists Blah blah. There's no sensible conversation to be had with you. hang on zany. you are the one making ridiculous predictions of doom and gloom if we don't agree to be taxed punitively to fight some mysterious impending global disaster. Im simply asking for a bit more detail and some facts. So far , the detail from you green cultists is extremely lacking . Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? All the things I described and you've just ignored have actually happened most more than once. You addressed none of them but instead choose Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? as your answer. Bye.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 14, 2024 16:11:02 GMT
well those poor buggers you mock reading their alleged stupidity are sensible enough to know the regressive ulez scams in the big cities like glesca and London are hammering the poor working class guys in their old cars that don't have ad blue more than they are hammering the more well off . But how many of them know how little effect Ulez will have on Co2 production. That it was really introduced to stop local pollution and the net zero label was added to try and make it more popular when everyone hated it. When electric cars were threatened to be foisted upon us many objected and claimed they would never work. Now they work well, they cost a quarter the amount to run and they are out selling new diesels cars 2 to 1. Everyone hates change till it happens. Cost a quarter the amount to run than what ? Or when ? Be specific. I’m off to get some popcorn.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 16:12:42 GMT
hang on zany. you are the one making ridiculous predictions of doom and gloom if we don't agree to be taxed punitively to fight some mysterious impending global disaster. Im simply asking for a bit more detail and some facts. So far , the detail from you green cultists is extremely lacking . Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? All the things I described and you've just ignored have actually happened most more than once. You addressed none of them but instead choose Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? as your answer. Bye. ive asked you a number of reasonable questions in this thread , which you refuse to answer or supply any detail on . This isn't the mark of a reasoned debater or a person confident in his own arguments , which appear completely lame .
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Post by zanygame on Jan 14, 2024 16:15:28 GMT
But how many of them know how little effect Ulez will have on Co2 production. That it was really introduced to stop local pollution and the net zero label was added to try and make it more popular when everyone hated it. When electric cars were threatened to be foisted upon us many objected and claimed they would never work. Now they work well, they cost a quarter the amount to run and they are out selling new diesels cars 2 to 1. Everyone hates change till it happens. Cost a quarter the amount to run than what ? Or when ? Be specific. I’m off to get some popcorn.Sounds about right for our contribution.
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Post by thomas on Jan 14, 2024 16:16:37 GMT
But how many of them know how little effect Ulez will have on Co2 production. That it was really introduced to stop local pollution and the net zero label was added to try and make it more popular when everyone hated it. When electric cars were threatened to be foisted upon us many objected and claimed they would never work. Now they work well, they cost a quarter the amount to run and they are out selling new diesels cars 2 to 1. Everyone hates change till it happens. Cost a quarter the amount to run than what ? Or when ? Be specific. I’m off to get some popcorn. exactly John. Vague banal insinuations and throw away comments , and runs away when pressed on detail. I was interested in electric cars , until speaking to friends and acquaintances who have an electric car , or know others who have them , and reading up on them , and the information makes grim reading. lack of charging points, battery fires , higher insurance premiums , high energy costs to charge them and much more including poor range when fully loaded , doesn't encourage investing in an electric vehicle. Like I said , the green cult is all fine and dandy until it comes to who is paying the bills , and then it all falls flat on its arse.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 14, 2024 16:17:33 GMT
Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? All the things I described and you've just ignored have actually happened most more than once. You addressed none of them but instead choose Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? as your answer. Bye. ive asked you a number of reasonable questions in this thread , which you refuse to answer or supply any detail on . This isn't the mark of a reasoned debater or a person confident in his own arguments , which appear completely lame . I answered them, you ignored the answers and continued with your psycho babble. I listed the things I was referring to you ignored the list. Why would I continue with this crap.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 14, 2024 16:20:36 GMT
You added the word unnecessary. whats the cost zany? The cost of adapting a country designed of centuries for one type of weather that then gets a different type of weather. The fact our land drains are not designed for flash flooding our roofs not designed for 40 degree heat, our rivers, drains, sluices etc not designed for a months rain in 3 days. Go to any French or Spanish town on the Med and you will see storm drains 30ft wide running through the middles. That's because their climate creates massive thunderstorms which release tons of rain in a few minutes. We didn't used to get that weather other than a once in every 100 freak event. Then there's the insects, moulds, fungi, viruses, that our plants have no natural protection against because they couldn't live in our climate, but they're here now. Not centuries, the weather in the early 19th century is not the same as the weather now and we are adapted to what we have in general terms. One of the major problems is increased run off in the catchment areas of rivers prone to flooding. Shrewsbury is ringed by bypasses and industrial sites, soakaways have proliferated but the run off from all that hard surface goes into the Severn quicker than it would have done in the past so it is not surprising that flooding occurs further downstream; Bewdley has flood defences which channels flood water quicker downstream and then it is no surprise that Worcester and Tewkesbury flood regularly. Erratic rainfall is a feature of our climate and has been for many centuries off and on.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 14, 2024 16:22:14 GMT
hang on zany. you are the one making ridiculous predictions of doom and gloom if we don't agree to be taxed punitively to fight some mysterious impending global disaster. Im simply asking for a bit more detail and some facts. So far , the detail from you green cultists is extremely lacking . Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? All the things I described and you've just ignored have actually happened most more than once. You addressed none of them but instead choose Ridiculous? Mysterious impending disaster? cultists? as your answer. Bye. I thought I saw you in this very thread use denialists and stupid in one post.
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