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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 11, 2024 13:12:23 GMT
Police declare critical incident as flames engulf electric vehicle with 'loud bang' heardA 'critical incident' has been declared after another electric bus was engulfed in flames in London. Shocking photos show the blaze engulfing part of the road in Wimbledon after the street had been cordoned off. It is not yet known if anyone has been injured. Officers from the Metropolitan police have advised people to avoid the area this morning - linkAnother electric vehicle goes up in flames. Not a good look for the electric vehicle PR machine.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 14:14:47 GMT
Police declare critical incident as flames engulf electric vehicle with 'loud bang' heardA 'critical incident' has been declared after another electric bus was engulfed in flames in London. Shocking photos show the blaze engulfing part of the road in Wimbledon after the street had been cordoned off. It is not yet known if anyone has been injured. Officers from the Metropolitan police have advised people to avoid the area this morning - linkAnother electric vehicle goes up in flames. Not a good look for the electric vehicle PR machine. It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2024 14:22:32 GMT
Police declare critical incident as flames engulf electric vehicle with 'loud bang' heardA 'critical incident' has been declared after another electric bus was engulfed in flames in London. Shocking photos show the blaze engulfing part of the road in Wimbledon after the street had been cordoned off. It is not yet known if anyone has been injured. Officers from the Metropolitan police have advised people to avoid the area this morning - linkAnother electric vehicle goes up in flames. Not a good look for the electric vehicle PR machine. It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh? Not much consolation when your arse is on fire . I suspect some EVs will be unsellable in the near future l |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 14:32:46 GMT
Police declare critical incident as flames engulf electric vehicle with 'loud bang' heardA 'critical incident' has been declared after another electric bus was engulfed in flames in London. Shocking photos show the blaze engulfing part of the road in Wimbledon after the street had been cordoned off. It is not yet known if anyone has been injured. Officers from the Metropolitan police have advised people to avoid the area this morning - linkAnother electric vehicle goes up in flames. Not a good look for the electric vehicle PR machine. It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh?who are Japanese are now producing 2 I am sure the owner of that deathtrap is feeling a whole lot better now for your explanation. And how do you know the BEV was made in Japan? It sounds more like another peice of crap impoted from China.....You do know that Mazda are using 2stroke ice for their cars now don't you BVL....If not then you should do...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 14:59:48 GMT
It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh? Not much consolation when your arse is on fire . I suspect some EVs will be unsellable in the near future l It depends on how stupid this country and its bigwigs really are.
First of all two things might/should happen.
1) Insurance firms will collect data on incidents, the cost of incidents and record that under the model number in order to calculate premiums.
2) At some point the government might understand the problem and ban them.
solution:
Battery life is dependent on how you use it, but can range from 500-6000 charges, so with age the batteries will reduce in performance and value but the rest of the car should carry on for a lot longer than ICE since there is far less mechanical stuff to wear out.
What you do is establish an after market in firms that specialise in taking a battery box, refitting the cells for new ones and then updating the firmware in the car's computer to charge the battery and use the battery according to the new type of battery fitted. Think of it like the Kwikfit people who just specialise in tyres and exhausts, so they can do it cheaply by economy of scale. Like with tyres, the customer can then decide what type of battery they would like. For a cheap refit you could use sodium batteries. If you want to sell it then you want some way of showing the new battery was fitted and how many times it was charged so the buyer can gauge the quality of the new battery. You may well find you can extend the range of your old car this way, and in the spirit of recycling, it would be much better than the stupid option, as in the dustbin. With new safe batteries the premium on the insurance would be less.
This way we are all happy, but ask if Blighty is every happy with anything it decides to do. We as a country are usually our worst enemy, cos we don't think properly.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 11, 2024 15:12:23 GMT
Not much consolation when your arse is on fire . I suspect some EVs will be unsellable in the near future l It depends on how stupid this country and its bigwigs really are.
First of all two things might/should happen.
1) Insurance firms will collect data on incidents, the cost of incidents and record that under the model number in order to calculate premiums.
2) At some point the government might understand the problem and ban them.
solution:
Battery life is dependent on how you use it, but can range from 500-6000 charges, so with age the batteries will reduce in performance and value but the rest of the car should carry on for a lot longer than ICE since there is far less mechanical stuff to wear out.
What you do is establish an after market in firms that specialise in taking a battery box, refitting the cells for new ones and then updating the firmware in the car's computer to charge the battery and use the battery according to the new type of battery fitted. Think of it like the Kwikfit people who just specialise in tyres and exhausts, so they can do it cheaply by economy of scale. Like with tyres, the customer can then decide what type of battery they would like. For a cheap refit you could use sodium batteries. If you want to sell it then you want some way of showing the new battery was fitted and how many times it was charged so the buyer can gauge the quality of the new battery. You may well find you can extend the range of your old car this way, and in the spirit of recycling, it would be much better than the stupid option, as in the dustbin. With new safe batteries the premium on the insurance would be less.
This way we are all happy, but ask if Blighty is every happy with anything it decides to do. We as a country are usually our worst enemy, cos we don't think properly.
Give it enough fires and I suspect EVs won’t sell well,especially older ones . No one will care that you think they are stupid . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 15:14:02 GMT
It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh?who are Japanese are now producing 2 I am sure the owner of that deathtrap is feeling a whole lot better now for your explanation. And how do you know the BEV was made in Japan? It sounds more like another peice of crap impoted from China.....You do know that Mazda are using 2stroke ice for their cars now don't you BVL....If not then you should do...
You should be able to find the type of battery in your car from data sheets and the like on the web. It is better to know than not know. If you knew, you would not park it in your garage for a start. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 15:44:37 GMT
I am sure the owner of that deathtrap is feeling a whole lot better now for your explanation. And how do you know the BEV was made in Japan? It sounds more like another peice of crap impoted from China.....You do know that Mazda are using 2stroke ice for their cars now don't you BVL....If not then you should do...
You should be able to find the type of battery in your car from data sheets and the like on the web. It is better to know than not know. If you knew, you would not park it in your garage for a start. I wouldn't park a BEV anywhere because I wouldn't purchase the crap in the first place. Let alone purchase any crap from China. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 16:00:34 GMT
You should be able to find the type of battery in your car from data sheets and the like on the web. It is better to know than not know. If you knew, you would not park it in your garage for a start. I wouldn't pat a BEV anywhere because I wouldn't purchase the crap in the first place. Let alone purchase any crap China. The thing is this problem is more common in the brands the West were buying. China came into the game a little later with EVs and the Japs focused on hybrids which turned out to be a blind alley, so they got knocked back.
A well known Chinese firm has just won the international award for best battery, selected from an international panel of experts, of which a large proportion were European. So far from being crap, they are the world's number one.
I think you are playing bad sportsman and can't face the winner. Blighty is nowhere to be seen on the international battery tech market. Our British Volt (sic) bought a German submarine battery firm for about £40m to acquire the technology to make "British" batteries.
Maybe if we cut out the political correctness in making the pretty young girls and third world foreigners make all the important decisions etc and reverted to meritocracy, then we would see better results.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2024 16:24:26 GMT
I wouldn't pat a BEV anywhere because I wouldn't purchase the crap in the first place. Let alone purchase any crap China. The thing is this problem is more common in the brands the West were buying. China came into the game a little later with EVs and the Japs focused on hybrids which turned out to be a blind alley, so they got knocked back.
A well known Chinese firm has just won the international award for best battery, selected from an international panel of experts, of which a large proportion were European. So far from being crap, they are the world's number one.
I think you are playing bad sportsman and can't face the winner. Blighty is nowhere to be seen on the international battery tech market. Our British Volt (sic) bought a German submarine battery firm for about £40m to acquire the technology to make "British" batteries.
Maybe if we cut out the political correctness in making the pretty young girls and third world foreigners make all the important decisions etc and reverted to meritocracy, then we would see better results.
Maybe we should dump BEV's altogether as they are being forced upon the people who do not want the crap. And we have been through this all before BVL I have forgotten more about batteries than you will ever know on the subject. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 11, 2024 16:32:27 GMT
Police declare critical incident as flames engulf electric vehicle with 'loud bang' heardA 'critical incident' has been declared after another electric bus was engulfed in flames in London. Shocking photos show the blaze engulfing part of the road in Wimbledon after the street had been cordoned off. It is not yet known if anyone has been injured. Officers from the Metropolitan police have advised people to avoid the area this morning - linkAnother electric vehicle goes up in flames. Not a good look for the electric vehicle PR machine. It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh? Thing is BvL, I have a battery on my diesel car and oddly enough it's never exploded. Maybe I'm just lucky...  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 16:42:47 GMT
The thing is this problem is more common in the brands the West were buying. China came into the game a little later with EVs and the Japs focused on hybrids which turned out to be a blind alley, so they got knocked back.
A well known Chinese firm has just won the international award for best battery, selected from an international panel of experts, of which a large proportion were European. So far from being crap, they are the world's number one.
I think you are playing bad sportsman and can't face the winner. Blighty is nowhere to be seen on the international battery tech market. Our British Volt (sic) bought a German submarine battery firm for about £40m to acquire the technology to make "British" batteries.
Maybe if we cut out the political correctness in making the pretty young girls and third world foreigners make all the important decisions etc and reverted to meritocracy, then we would see better results.
Maybe we should dump BEV's altogether as they are being forced upon the people who do not want the crap. And we have been through this all before BVL I have forgotten more about batteries than you will ever know on the subject. You always get a rotten deal for being the first to buy new technology agaisnt those who wait a few years for it to be perfected and the costs to come down. However you get the advantage of being flash and maybe using technology that puts you ahead of the competition who wait for the tech to be perfected.
With EVs the costs have been falling but the battery was always the thing that was the most expensive component, but the prices of batteries themselves have fallen fast. Now what has reduced the fall in cost of batteries was the demand for lithium which has shot up in price. We reach a juncture now though where a sodium battery can be produced for a fraction of the cost of a lithium battery, but the downside of sodium has been the range. Now they have got the range to a level where it was with standard lithium EVs where the range was at the point of being useful for mass market purposes, such as around your 150 mile mark. We may be looking at EVs that perform well for most people at five grand a car. This would mean a new car would cost a small fraction of a cheap ICE and so they will be the natural choice.
I hear the chargers on UK roads rose some 40% in the last year. We are probably around the infamous "tipping point" or at least we will be as we use sodium batteries. BYD already have a model out, but I don't know if it is available in the UK yet.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 16:45:14 GMT
It's the type of battery. The ones that are hell to put out are the older ones which were used in a lot of Japanese EVs 5+ years ago. The reason is the dangerous batteries were higher performance so for the race to increase range these ones were used. Now the safer lower performance type have been developed to almost match the performance of the dangerous ones and have other advantages over them, like cold weather driving, so the dangerous type are being phased out. Also the dangerous ones had cobalt in them, which is where we have to rely on DR Congo for supplies, and hence undesirable. Anyway, the shit thick British press do not understand this point, so hardly worth taking their advice eh? Thing is BvL, I have a battery on my diesel car and oddly enough it's never exploded. Maybe I'm just lucky... Lead acid does not store a great deal of energy. The further you want it to go the more energy in the battery. They are a victim of their success! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 11, 2024 17:07:26 GMT
Thing is BvL, I have a battery on my diesel car and oddly enough it's never exploded. Maybe I'm just lucky... Lead acid does not store a great deal of energy. The further you want it to go the more energy in the battery. They are a victim of their success! I quite agree. That's why my battery is bolted to a very reliable V8 diesel engine which very rarely explodes. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 11, 2024 17:22:53 GMT
Lead acid does not store a great deal of energy. The further you want it to go the more energy in the battery. They are a victim of their success! I quite agree. That's why my battery is bolted to a very reliable V8 diesel engine which very rarely explodes. Lead acid are shit for many reasons. The only reason they are still in use is they were traditionally cheaper than lithium, so they are used for OAP buggies and the like where the manufacturer scrimps on quality of parts.
Eventually your exploding battery paranoia will disappear and you too will be using a modern battery.
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