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Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2024 14:16:04 GMT
Mandella was fighting apartheid. The french were fighting a war... Mandela was fighting a war. Are you saying that the Dutch arrived in South Africa with the permission of the natives? He was NOT fighting a war or an act of war unlike the French.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 16, 2024 14:16:57 GMT
Mandela was fighting a war. Are you saying that the Dutch arrived in South Africa with the permission of the natives? He was NOT fighting a war or an act of war unlike the French. What was the difference? Both were fighting an invading oppressor that thought it had a right to rule for racial reasons. Looks almost identical to me.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2024 14:24:48 GMT
He was NOT fighting a war or an act of war unlike the French. What was the difference? Both were fighting an invading oppressor. Looks almost identical to me.Well it would do wouldn't it? I think the boar war started many more years ago than the nazis invading France.......
The First Boer War (Afrikaans: Eerste Vryheidsoorlog, literally "First Freedom War"), was fought from 16 December 1880 until 23 March 1881 between the United Kingdom and Boers of the Transvaal (as the South African Republic was known while under British administration).[1] The war resulted in a Boer victory and eventual independence of the South African Republic. The war is also known as the First Anglo–Boer War, the Transvaal War or the Transvaal Rebellion.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 16, 2024 14:27:18 GMT
What was the difference? Both were fighting an invading oppressor. Looks almost identical to me.Well it would do wouldn't it? I think the boar war started many more years ago than the nazis invading France.......
The First Boer War (Afrikaans: Eerste Vryheidsoorlog, literally "First Freedom War"), was fought from 16 December 1880 until 23 March 1881 between the United Kingdom and Boers of the Transvaal (as the South African Republic was known while under British administration).[1] The war resulted in a Boer victory and eventual independence of the South African Republic. The war is also known as the First Anglo–Boer War, the Transvaal War or the Transvaal Rebellion.
The French Resistance fought invaders who thought they had a right to rule on racial grounds. Mandela fought invaders who thought they had a right to rule on racial grounds. What's the difference?
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Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2024 14:29:32 GMT
Well it would do wouldn't it? I think the boar war started many more years ago than the nazis invading France.......
The First Boer War (Afrikaans: Eerste Vryheidsoorlog, literally "First Freedom War"), was fought from 16 December 1880 until 23 March 1881 between the United Kingdom and Boers of the Transvaal (as the South African Republic was known while under British administration).[1] The war resulted in a Boer victory and eventual independence of the South African Republic. The war is also known as the First Anglo–Boer War, the Transvaal War or the Transvaal Rebellion.
The French Resistance fought invaders who thought they had a right to rule on racial grounds. Mandela fought invaders who thought they had a right to rule on racial grounds. What's the difference?Look it up youself. You are trying to state that chalk is cheese.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 16, 2024 14:33:30 GMT
The French Resistance fought invaders who thought they had a right to rule on racial grounds. Mandela fought invaders who thought they had a right to rule on racial grounds. What's the difference?Look it up youself. You are trying to state that chalk is cheese. You couldn't possibly know that they're chalk and cheese unless you know what the differences are. So, what are they?
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Post by sandypine on Jan 16, 2024 20:38:03 GMT
He was NOT fighting a war or an act of war unlike the French. What was the difference? Both were fighting an invading oppressor that thought it had a right to rule for racial reasons. Looks almost identical to me. France declared war on Germany and Germany won. The Xhosa, Mandela's group, were every bit as much an invading oppressor as were the Dutch and arrived around the same time. They were not native to SA. In France the resistance generally attacked the invading oppressor whilst in SA the Xhosa generally killed their own people.
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2024 22:16:55 GMT
What was the difference? Both were fighting an invading oppressor that thought it had a right to rule for racial reasons. Looks almost identical to me. France declared war on Germany and Germany won. The Xhosa, Mandela's group, were every bit as much an invading oppressor as were the Dutch and arrived around the same time. They were not native to SA. In France the resistance generally attacked the invading oppressor whilst in SA the Xhosa generally killed their own people. South Africans lived there first, the problem, if it was a problem is that the Africans were partially nomadic moving in and out of the area each year.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 16, 2024 22:19:58 GMT
What was the difference? Both were fighting an invading oppressor that thought it had a right to rule for racial reasons. Looks almost identical to me. France declared war on Germany and Germany won. The Xhosa, Mandela's group, were every bit as much an invading oppressor as were the Dutch and arrived around the same time. They were not native to SA. In France the resistance generally attacked the invading oppressor whilst in SA the Xhosa generally killed their own people. 1) There is evidence which suggests that xhosa-speaking people have been there since the 7th century AD. ' Xhosa History. Historical evidence suggests that the Xhosa people have inhabited the Eastern Cape area from as long ago as 1593 and most probably even before that. Some archaeological evidence has been discovered that suggests that Xhosa-speaking people have lived in the area since the 7th century AD.' 2) The French resistance was very active against its own people (it attacked Vichy France's military and ordinary French people they saw as traitors). So, I'll ask again: what was the difference between Mandela and the French Resistance?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2024 22:24:01 GMT
France declared war on Germany and Germany won. The Xhosa, Mandela's group, were every bit as much an invading oppressor as were the Dutch and arrived around the same time. They were not native to SA. In France the resistance generally attacked the invading oppressor whilst in SA the Xhosa generally killed their own people. South Africans lived there first, the problem, if it was a problem is that the Africans were partially nomadic moving in and out of the area each year. Define a South African..
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2024 22:27:15 GMT
South Africans lived there first, the problem, if it was a problem is that the Africans were partially nomadic moving in and out of the area each year. Define a South African.. A nomadic black African. Or are you suggesting that black Africans never lived there?
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 16, 2024 22:29:19 GMT
South Africans lived there first, the problem, if it was a problem is that the Africans were partially nomadic moving in and out of the area each year. Define a South African.. It's much easier to define what a South African isn't. I'll go first: A dutchman wasn't a South African until they invited themselves onto the African continent. You might say that just about every bit of land was taken from someone else at some point. Fair enough. But in that case you have to say that Hitler was entitled to invade Poland and Putin was entitled to invade the Ukraine.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2024 22:29:57 GMT
A nomadic black African. Or are you suggesting that black Africans never lived there? Not at all - I simply wanted a definition. So only Black Africans are allowed - no matter what part of Africa they come from..
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 16, 2024 22:31:31 GMT
It's much easier to define what a South African isn't. I'll go first: A dutchman wasn't a South African until they invited themselves onto the African continent.
Is a West Indian who was born in the UK British?
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 16, 2024 22:34:26 GMT
It's much easier to define what a South African isn't. I'll go first: A dutchman wasn't a South African until they invited themselves onto the African continent.
Is a West Indian who was born in the UK British? Yes, because the people who lived in the UK before he and others like him arrived made laws that conferred British citizenship upon. The same didn't happen in South Africa.
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