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Post by sandypine on Nov 25, 2022 10:18:12 GMT
No, what is 'non objective' is being in denial of what the recognised dictionaries say. Mostly it's just trying to invent an alternative reality in order to demonise those who actually care about the lives of those they don't personally know. As far as I can see no one is denying what the dictionary says, what is at issue is those who believe they are 'alert etc etc' are objectively correct in what they are alert to. It is because so many disagree with the stances taken that 'woke' itself has become a word basically to describe a special degree of idiocy. Indeed the 'gay' times we used to have are changed forever. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 25, 2022 10:26:52 GMT
No, what is 'non objective' is being in denial of what the recognised dictionaries say. Don't be daft, Steve. A definition of a political stance that uses terms like 'alert to injustice" Or "is keenly in favour of justice" is clearly not an objective one. Most people self describe as being against injustice or conscious of it and also have differing views on what justice is. So the definition is non objective ie what it points at varies from person to person. Dictionaries have become quite hilarious of late in their attempts to redefine / change common usage rather than record it. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them soon attempts to add a few extra planets to the solar system |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 25, 2022 10:38:27 GMT
Lefties can bitch and whine as much as they want. The fact is that the word ‘ woke’ has gone the same way as ‘ gammon’.
They can blame the BLM crooks and the rich virtue signallers for much if it .
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Post by Steve on Nov 25, 2022 12:41:25 GMT
No, what is 'non objective' is being in denial of what the recognised dictionaries say. Don't be daft, Steve. A definition of a political stance that uses terms like 'alert to injustice" Or "is keenly in favour of justice" is clearly not an objective one. Most people self describe as being against injustice or conscious of it and also have differing views on what justice is. So the definition is non objective ie what it points at varies from person to person. Dictionaries have become quite hilarious of late in their attempts to redefine / change common usage rather than record it. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them soon attempts to add a few extra planets to the solar system No daftness here, the at best non objective daftness was those who decided to pervert a known meaning word to mean only those that take extreme action. Maybe you didn't read the first pages of this thread |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2022 18:06:21 GMT
There is a well known saying that "it is all in the Genes" this is pure speculation on the unknown. Humans dislike not having answers to the unknown. There is no known Gene programming, if you know of one that is tested and proven then please post it. There is only the ability to learn and to react to different situations. Genes implant certain innate actions such as breathing, masticating, yawning (when the brain is not getting enough oxygen), heartbeat, and being wary of potential danger. Genes give you everything to enable you to survive in the world and, most importantly, pass those genes on to the next generation the more the merrier. You then have to learn what the genes have given you to survive. Absolutely not. You have to learn WITH not what, the genes have given you. The new born child is a blank sheet following all the natural functions of the body as inherited through genes. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2022 18:14:58 GMT
It's essentially a buzz word used by right wing extremists to denounce everything they don't like.
In the same way that "right wing extremists" is used by left wing extremists to denounce everything that they don't like.
Don't be silly, there are right wing extremists and left wing extremists, right wing extremists often expose their position in one of two ways. 1. By broad brush lefties as woke without explanation or definition. 2. By an excess of insults aimed at anyone left of their thinking. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2022 18:31:53 GMT
Point is: right wing conservatives and ultra-orthodox muslims are not far apart. Yet wokers decry one while venerating the other. Which is an indirect way of pointing out that not all "wokers" are left wing. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 25, 2022 18:51:56 GMT
Genes give you everything to enable you to survive in the world and, most importantly, pass those genes on to the next generation the more the merrier. You then have to learn what the genes have given you to survive. Absolutely not. You have to learn WITH not what, the genes have given you. The new born child is a blank sheet following all the natural functions of the body as inherited through genes. Am I understanding that you believe every child is a blank sheet waiting just for learning what it can from nurture and experience to enable it to survive? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2022 19:07:06 GMT
Absolutely not. You have to learn WITH not what, the genes have given you. The new born child is a blank sheet following all the natural functions of the body as inherited through genes. Am I understanding that you believe every child is a blank sheet waiting just for learning what it can from nurture and experience to enable it to survive? A blank sheet yes, in terms of learning the dangers in the environment it happens to grow up in. Born being wary of danger, a fact that can make almost instantaneous hormonal changes as with all animals, is its best survival tool. Feelings can influence and sometimes control thoughts and actions. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 25, 2022 19:07:24 GMT
Woke is the England squad who are the only ones taking the knee.
Not even the US team are taking the knee.
The Virtue signaling UK, we are a fuckin laughing stock world wide.
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2022 19:14:45 GMT
Woke is the England squad who are the only ones taking the knee. Not even the US team are taking the knee. The Virtue signaling UK, we are a fuckin laughing stock world wide. Last time I saw them taking the knee, they were applauded. Making a gesture against racism before the game can hardly be termed woke just because it annoys some people. __"Gareth Southgate’s side will take the knee before every World Cup game as an anti-racism gesture. Speaking about the decision, Southgate said: ‘We’ve discussed taking the knee and we feel we should. ‘It’s what we stand for as a team and have done for a long period of time."__ |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 25, 2022 19:19:39 GMT
Woke is the England squad who are the only ones taking the knee. Not even the US team are taking the knee. The Virtue signaling UK, we are a fuckin laughing stock world wide. Last time I saw them taking the knee, they were applauded. Making a gesture against racism before the game can hardly be termed woke just because it annoys some people. __"Gareth Southgate’s side will take the knee before every World Cup game as an anti-racism gesture. Speaking about the decision, Southgate said: ‘We’ve discussed taking the knee and we feel we should. ‘It’s what we stand for as a team and have done for a long period of time."__ So the place that started all this knee taking USA aren't even taking the knee, how come the place it happened don't feel they have to continue to take the knee, the USA team must be scratching their heads wondering why England is still taking the knee when it happened in America, the England team should be BOOOOOOOOOED. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 25, 2022 19:24:48 GMT
Last time I saw them taking the knee, they were applauded. Making a gesture against racism before the game can hardly be termed woke just because it annoys some people. __"Gareth Southgate’s side will take the knee before every World Cup game as an anti-racism gesture. Speaking about the decision, Southgate said: ‘We’ve discussed taking the knee and we feel we should. ‘It’s what we stand for as a team and have done for a long period of time."__ So the place that started all this knee taking USA aren't even taking the knee, how come the place it happened don't feel they have to continue to take the knee, the USA team must be scratching their heads wondering why England is still taking the knee when it happened in America, the England team should be BOOOOOOOOOED. You are entitled to paint the worst possible picture, you are also entitled to your opinion, as too is the English football team. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 25, 2022 19:30:06 GMT
I was born Male, I identify as male.
But according to Sainsbury's deluxe sticky toffee pudding I'm actually a family of four.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 25, 2022 20:09:20 GMT
Am I understanding that you believe every child is a blank sheet waiting just for learning what it can from nurture and experience to enable it to survive? A blank sheet yes, in terms of learning the dangers in the environment it happens to grow up in. Born being wary of danger, a fact that can make almost instantaneous hormonal changes as with all animals, is its best survival tool. Feelings can influence and sometimes control thoughts and actions. I think that is broadly what I said however I would qualify it as regards personality and that in many respects is genetic design influenced by nurture of course. Some studies as regards twins separated at birth suggest that things like a depressive personality are inborn as opposed to learnt when such twins were raised in completely different environments. So you have a unique design of one's own as regards genes and nurture will affect how that grows but the genetic pressures to behave in certain ways will always be there which is why I referred to berserk families as even Vikings knew that inherited traits were important. |
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