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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 5, 2024 15:28:33 GMT
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Post by dappy on Jan 5, 2024 18:51:53 GMT
No you presented two old stories (one dating from last July) as if they were current news stories. That was deliberately misleading. Most people would call that lying.
I have no idea if today's story is accurate or not - history suggests that any correlation between a GB News story and the truth is entirely co-incidental - but we can talk about the wider point The truth is we have suffered the most incompetent government in my lifetime over the last few years. Patel and Braverman as Home Secretaries and Johnson as PM had no interest in governing and solving the county's problems and instead sought gimmicks and tabloid headlines to climb the greasy pole and seek power. The result is pretty much all of our public services are a shambles.
You are quite right - the way we manage asylum is yet another public service that has gone wrong. We allowed the estate of appropriate accommodation to begin to dissipate and failed to manage applications properly and promptly. Its a complete management failure. As a result longstanding claimants didn't clear through the system and hence accommodation was overwhelmed. It is crazy that we are pitching around trying to find hotels and new flats to fix the problem. Why has this happened. Failure at the top level. Braverman focussed entirely on ridiculously expensive impractical tabloid gimmicks like the Rwanda policy and failed to ensure that we had adequate resources and systems to process claims and failed to ensure we managed the accommodation we had at the same time, failed to work on systems facilitating as many failed asylum seeker removals as possible and failed to think through sensible asylum reforms - for example limited appeals to one and tightening up eligibility criteria to reflect those used in for example France and Germany. Why? Because none of those actions are glamorous and would have attracted positive tabloid headlines as Patel and Braverman jockeyed for the top job. It's absolutely what the their job and responsibility to the country was however.
Hopefully this shambolic government will be kicked out soon and some grown ups can begin to address the massive issues this shower have left behind. Its a daunting inbox for any government however to repair the mess. It won't be quick and there will be some failures along the way, but it really is time for a change.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 5, 2024 22:21:13 GMT
it's pretty hilarious hearing those on the Left castigate the Government for not deporting illegal migrants after the same people spent the last 10 years castigating those on the Right who all along were calling for illegal migrants to be deported,.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 6, 2024 1:42:26 GMT
it's pretty hilarious hearing those on the Left castigate the Government for not deporting illegal migrants after the same people spent the last 10 years castigating those on the Right who all along were calling for illegal migrants to be deported,. Noone has been against the deportation of illegal immigrants. The problem is those those who erroneously declare asylum seekers as illegal immigrants. Post after Post on this forum mostly unchallenged, such as when you point out that this is wrong is met by abuse that it's almost not worth saying. The ignorami may think that they either win or are right, but they are both wrong and stupid.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 6, 2024 1:56:58 GMT
LOL, superb. I can almost feel your virtuous left wing outrage. Jack boots indeed, lol. First of all I am not left wing, and you must know that as you have read many of my posts. You start the ball rolling and jack boots will be that much closer. So it seems that you are right wing enough to lie about your opponents. Well that's certainly a good right wing start. Its fucking debatable that you are human. Who is the first on this board to defend bliar and all the other leftwing arseholes? If you don't know take a peek in a mirror and it will reflect an out and out lefty.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 6, 2024 7:54:35 GMT
it's pretty hilarious hearing those on the Left castigate the Government for not deporting illegal migrants after the same people spent the last 10 years castigating those on the Right who all along were calling for illegal migrants to be deported,. Noone has been against the deportation of illegal immigrants. The problem is those those who erroneously declare asylum seekers as illegal immigrants. Post after Post on this forum mostly unchallenged, such as when you point out that this is wrong is met by abuse that it's almost not worth saying. The ignorami may think that they either win or are right, but they are both wrong and stupid. well that is patently untrue - we cant even deport violent criminals and even when we do there is a campaign to bring them back..
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Post by see2 on Jan 6, 2024 10:09:59 GMT
First of all I am not left wing, and you must know that as you have read many of my posts. You start the ball rolling and jack boots will be that much closer. So it seems that you are right wing enough to lie about your opponents. Well that's certainly a good right wing start. Its fucking debatable that you are human. Who is the first on this board to defend bliar and all the other leftwing arseholes? If you don't know take a peek in a mirror and it will reflect an out and out lefty. Blair was not Left-wing, he was and I quote him, "For the many not the few". Which is definitely a statement that included everyone between the far left and the far right. I defend Blair against lies, I don't defend everything he stood for. Very immature liars use the term "bliar".
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Post by jonksy on Jan 6, 2024 10:13:32 GMT
Its fucking debatable that you are human. Who is the first on this board to defend bliar and all the other leftwing arseholes? If you don't know take a peek in a mirror and it will reflect an out and out lefty. Blair was not Left-wing, he was and I quote him, "For the many not the few". Which is definitely a statement that included everyone between the far left and the far right. I defend Blair against lies, I don't defend everything he stood for. Very immature liars use the term "bliar". You are just another whinging lefty c2.
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