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Post by piglet on Dec 29, 2023 11:54:13 GMT
Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, power over people, it is an egoic thing, its a sign that you are better than all others, because you are at the top. In politics there is no other consideration other than whats good for the furtherment of themselves or party, if votes in parliament for bills were taken for the good of the people, the results would be completely different. This includes normal people. The Japanese have a saying that the nail that sticks up needs hammering down.
Psychopaths have no other consideration than their own furtherment, and to suggest anything else will be met with laughter, bewilderment, parliament is full of them of varying degrees. Gordon Brown, on any scale of psychopathy would rate very highly, his rages at everybody were legendary, he deliberately bankrupted the country, giving money away to third world countries to destroy the tories when he was voted out.
He knew the banking crisis was coming 18 months before it hit, rather than prepare the country, he made sure the crisis was worse than it should have been, hence the note, theres no money to the incoming tories.
Mad as a hatter. Im sure there will be many stories like that of other politicians. Thinking of my own career there are many instances of disturbance, mostly managers, and its someone elses fault.
Many humans beings are seriously damaged or born with the propensity for evil. And understanding that lies the path to a better existence. In many ways its a miacle we have got this far. Goodness has won, but just. It takes many, the majority to gang up on paychopaths to oust them, the process is happening in Russia.
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Post by dodgydave on Dec 29, 2023 13:48:43 GMT
Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, power over people, it is an egoic thing, its a sign that you are better than all others, because you are at the top. In politics there is no other consideration other than whats good for the furtherment of themselves or party, if votes in parliament for bills were taken for the good of the people, the results would be completely different. This includes normal people. The Japanese have a saying that the nail that sticks up needs hammering down. That is the biggest pile of garbage I have read in a long time. If you had no consideration for anybody else become a politician would be the last thing you would choose to do. |
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 30, 2023 8:40:49 GMT
If anyone's interested, there's an online test you can do, that gives at least a hint toward your potential psychopathy and also adds to the data of those researching the matter. link |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 30, 2023 12:24:04 GMT
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 30, 2023 13:35:08 GMT
Ouch!  I was all the way over on the other side of the curve at 9%. |
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Post by patman post on Dec 30, 2023 13:48:36 GMT
It would seem that all the negative traits identified in this thread can be attributed to business leaders, political leaders, and church leaders.
Could it be that certain empathies and sympathies have to be down-graded or sidelined for most effort to be directed at the ultimate goals...?
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 30, 2023 15:05:06 GMT
It would seem that all the negative traits identified in this thread can be attributed to business leaders, political leaders, and church leaders. Could it be that certain empathies and sympathies have to be down-graded or sidelined for most effort to be directed at the ultimate goals...? I think that's likely to be true. I imagine a lot is contingent on that part of the definition that says, "... while having beliefs that justify these behaviors". Also, as with all sociological observation, there are a multiplicity of other factors that influences the choices someone makes. In politics, someone may earnestly believe that their view of how society should be is both optimal for them and optimal for everyone else... if only they could see that. So where optimal self-interest is believed to align with societal self-interest, someone could genuinely believe they were acting for the greater good.Personally, I think this is part of what maintains the myth of the 'silent majority'; a belief that 'most people' think as you do. Add the dark triad of machiavellianism, narcissism and psychopathy to the mix and it's easy to see why those on the political extremes of both left and right might think and act as they do. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 31, 2023 9:35:39 GMT
Empathy and competition are mutually exclusive.
Western society values the latter both publically and privately, including the very British class system which defines your social and public life.
You might get a footnote in the loval paper for your 20 years of charitable work self satisfaction after 40 years of teaching or nursing and very occasionally, a mention in honours lists, but that which is taught by religion rarely competes successfully in reality.
Some might say psycopathy is just the competitive nature we need to move forward. Perhaps, but we should, and do draw moral and legal lines when the harm they do becomes unreasonable. Examples include Rudi Guiliani who started as a very good mayor of New York and became a corrupt Trump puppet, or the guy known as the Wolf of Wall Street.
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Post by piglet on Dec 31, 2023 11:44:44 GMT
You are correct to say that paths have uses, they do things others would not, like front line war, space travel, risk taking of all sorts, the calculation of risk does not seem to be there. Having said that i met a bloke on my local park while walking my dog with severe injuries having difficulty walking.
He was a regular parachutist for pleasure, he had jumped many times, and his latest jump resulted in his lines getting tangled in a high wind, hence his injuries. He said stuff about that happening wasnt that rare, but it never put him off, just bad luck.
It is true that the more often you partake in risky endeavors, the chance of something bad happening goes up, try jumping once, nothing happens, twice, and your chance of something bad happening doubles. Any way, he jumped with members of the SAS regularly and i asked him what sort of people they were, his reply was ordinary people, i was surprised by that. Any way, he was permanently injured, and in pain, for what?
I had a young bloke renting a room who was in the RAF, a trainee pilot, i thought that was risky, but he said that even if he got shot down and died it didnt faze him at all, but would be proud to give up his life for Britain. Normal people do risky things for other reasons than being a path, i think its to do with a life plan from above. As in the SAS, how can a normal person kill? Research into weapons used on the beaches of Normandy showed that 75 per cent of weapons were NOT fired.
The trauma of killing someone, for a normal person, would be severe.
You need people who dont give a fek to kill, and, even enjoy it, there are many of those, and like Germany in 1939 45, maybe normal people, bakers, bus conductors etc, can be persuaded to kill and not care.
Would you be on the first flight to Mars, no me neither. No shortage of volunteers though, and quite mad in their own way, they need protection if anything. They still havent figured a way of getting off Mars, but people will still go, they need a community restraining order.
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