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Post by Vinny on Dec 20, 2023 9:52:53 GMT
Simple accommodation. Basic needs accounted for. Human rights accounted for. No luxuries. Even the earlier, temporary camps accommodated all human rights and basic needs. Why put them up in hotels when we could put them up in simple shelters, with no luxuries and no incentive for illegal economic migrants to come here?
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Post by Cartertonian on Dec 20, 2023 10:07:05 GMT
Agreed. Whatever their status, those who enter the country illegally should be treated humanely and with dignity, but not to the extent of putting them up in hotels and letting them roam free. Temporary accommodation good enough for our own service personnel should be good enough for them.
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Post by dappy on Dec 20, 2023 11:10:10 GMT
Perhaps rather than inventing ever more extreme ways of "punishing" people seeking our protection, we should create safe routes to get here from France and invest in capacity to enable decision making time to be significantly sped up. Seek to agree a returns policy with france for failed claimants as the quid pro quo for solving the existing Calais problem. No particular objection to processing claimants offshore if its financially viable and safe but only on basis that successful claimants return here.
Problem solved. N ow we can get on with solving the important issues
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2023 11:54:59 GMT
WW2 style camps would not be acceptable to the illegals or their supporters - the ones that are housed in the ex-RAf base in Wethersfield Essex are already kicking off because its not up to 4 star Hotel standard.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 20, 2023 13:01:46 GMT
Those camps, if they are lucky, are pretty much what they get elsewhere.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 20, 2023 13:15:56 GMT
Perhaps rather than inventing ever more extreme ways of "punishing" people seeking our protection, we should create safe routes to get here from France and invest in capacity to enable decision making time to be significantly sped up. Seek to agree a returns policy with france for failed claimants as the quid pro quo for solving the existing Calais problem. No particular objection to processing claimants offshore if its financially viable and safe but only on basis that successful claimants return here. Problem solved. N ow we can get on with solving the important issues There is a difference between punishing and rewarding. If a camp is 'punishment' then perhaps we should never use camps for any of our own people or indeed gymnasium floors when floods or fires strike. A safe route from France will see an escalation in those leaving North Africa and the Middle East to try their luck and the gangs will take their boats, their knowledge and their lack of care to the Med.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 21, 2023 8:52:12 GMT
WW2 style camps would not be acceptable to the illegals or their supporters - the ones that are housed in the ex-RAf base in Wethersfield Essex are already kicking off because its not up to 4 star Hotel standard. All the more reason to do that. The you'll get a tent and a sleeping bag is more of a deterrent than a four star hotel and cash.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 21, 2023 17:31:14 GMT
As has been mentioned tbe conditions would cause howls of outrage.
I think it was 2006 when i was freelancing in Guildford
B&B accommodation was pretty scarce on the ground and DEFRA farm payment f@cukups meand many places were fully booked by Business advisors and similar twats employed by tbe likes of Accenture charging kings ransoms for their pointless, useless contributions which exacerbated the problem.
I was staying at a B&B run by this widowed lady who had been in the trade for decades. Her customer base in the old days were mainly salesmen and field service people, but as time went on more like me arrived on the scene. What we all had in common was a budget limited either by what our employer would pay or what we were prepared to see vanish into the overheads. But the faciluties were decent, warm and the food was good.
Into this picture strolled a twat from the Home Office, ringing up all the places like this asking if the landlord / owner was interested in making twice as much as they were now by chucking their current clients on the street and taking in asylum seekers. But the voice on the phone cautioned ‘they would have to have a very high standard of accommodation and meals as the home office demanded it’.
I was quite stunned at the vocabulary this answerphone message generated in a mild mannered impeccably turned out lady pushing her mid sixties in the heart of the stockbroker belt. Clearly she’d had some contractors late of Aldershot. Or maybe Portsmouth.
Clearly fumimg, she asked if i would have any idea how to find if this was the truth or a hoax.
I checked the number and went to the office. It was true all right.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2023 17:48:02 GMT
Makes you laugh, they are 'allegedly' seeking asylum from these terrible war torn countries, where they fear for their lives, if that was me who had made my way to the UK to get away from this torture, and I was offered a tent in the middle of cow field, compared to what I have 'allegedly' fled I would be so grateful to be offered peace and sanctuary in this peaceful land.
LOL....... they are turning their noses up at what's on offer, like they have just fled paradise and the lap of luxury, and now protesting what they left was better. than what's on offer in the UK....... meaning they are NOT asylum seekers, because genuine asylum seekers would be grateful for any offer of shelter.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 21, 2023 17:53:35 GMT
Makes you laugh, they are 'allegedly' seeking asylum from these terrible war torn countries, where they fear for their lives, if that was me who had made my way to the UK to get away from this torture, and I was offered a tent in the middle of cow field, compared to what I have 'allegedly' fled I would be so grateful to be offered peace and sanctuary in this peaceful land. LOL....... they are turning their noses up at what's on offer, like they have just fled paradise and the lap of luxury, and now protesting what they left was better. than what's on offer in the UK....... meaning they are NOT asylum seekers, because genuine asylum seekers would be grateful for any offer of shelter. Well, of course. It's pretty obvious that very few are genuinely in need of asylum and that the majority are economic migrants and freeloaders.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 21, 2023 18:02:43 GMT
Perhaps rather than inventing ever more extreme ways of "punishing" people seeking our protection, we should create safe routes to get here from France and invest in capacity to enable decision making time to be significantly sped up. Seek to agree a returns policy with france for failed claimants as the quid pro quo for solving the existing Calais problem. No particular objection to processing claimants offshore if its financially viable and safe but only on basis that successful claimants return here. Problem solved. N ow we can get on with solving the important issues There is a difference between punishing and rewarding. If a camp is 'punishment' then perhaps we should never use camps for any of our own people or indeed gymnasium floors when floods or fires strike. A safe route from France will see an escalation in those leaving North Africa and the Middle East to try their luck and the gangs will take their boats, their knowledge and their lack of care to the Med. A couple of Pontins holiday camps shut up shop earlier this month - they would be ideal basic accommodation and ready for immediate use www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pontins-sussex-prestatyn-camber-b2457120.html
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Post by ginnyg2 on Dec 21, 2023 20:13:06 GMT
There is a difference between punishing and rewarding. If a camp is 'punishment' then perhaps we should never use camps for any of our own people or indeed gymnasium floors when floods or fires strike. A safe route from France will see an escalation in those leaving North Africa and the Middle East to try their luck and the gangs will take their boats, their knowledge and their lack of care to the Med. A couple of Pontins holiday camps shut up shop earlier this month - they would be ideal basic accommodation and ready for immediate use www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pontins-sussex-prestatyn-camber-b2457120.htmlFrom the article: "The holiday camp company, rated the UK’s worst in 2022, has closed sites in Prestatyn, north Wales, and Camber Sands in East Sussex." You think migrants will put up with that? Nothing but 5 star is good enough for them. Human rights don't you know.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 21, 2023 20:24:56 GMT
Simple accommodation. Basic needs accounted for. Human rights accounted for. No luxuries. Even the earlier, temporary camps accommodated all human rights and basic needs. Why put them up in hotels when we could put them up in simple shelters, with no luxuries and no incentive for illegal economic migrants to come here? Couldn't agree more, unfortunately the left wing human rights industry would have none of it. Canvas accommodation is fine when the UN or the EU are dishing it out but in the UK, not a snowballs chance in hell. It's the reason illegals are attracted to the UK, thanks to the left wing human rights industry we're seen as bloody mugs. And we are.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 21, 2023 20:45:37 GMT
I watched on the news an immigrant whinging that there were constant fights between different ethnic groups in his migrant camp . He said something should be done about it because he didn’t feel safe . The irony was lost on him.
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Post by wapentake on Dec 21, 2023 21:15:14 GMT
Perhaps rather than inventing ever more extreme ways of "punishing" people seeking our protection, we should create safe routes to get here from France and invest in capacity to enable decision making time to be significantly sped up. Seek to agree a returns policy with france for failed claimants as the quid pro quo for solving the existing Calais problem. No particular objection to processing claimants offshore if its financially viable and safe but only on basis that successful claimants return here. Problem solved. Punishing, really you think that? Roof over head,heat light,food and healthcare then you go on to say What like sorting the homeless issue and lack of housing for people that actually already live here. Add to that the people who serve and who we expect to stick their life on the line in the defence of this country are living in substandard accommodation with black mould no heat at times and some people complain the bibby Stockholm is an outrage,where’s their outrage for the homeless and military families? inews.co.uk/news/uk-military-homes-poor-state-figures-show-families-left-without-heating-2292306
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