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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 17, 2023 14:27:41 GMT
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It's the top video this thread is about, but I include a comparison in the south.
As we should all have learnt by now, firms like Sky News and Channel 4 regularly lead one up the garden path on all matters, so a warning here is do not believe a word of it, rather look at what they say and what the report they syndicate says and then have a little think. The question is why doesn't the northern town look like the southern town. Well the thing is someone has to make it that way, don't they, and this requires work. The town in the south was built shortly after 1905 when the railway was built, so we are talking a little later than the Victorian era which built the town in the first video. In the first video the false solution was some charity crap where the blokes all sit around tables weeping. You can talk and protest as much as you like, but the area will gradually fall into disrepair.
You can see in the second video someone has done some graft by planting all those plants along the railway bridge and someone else has done a load of hanging baskets to make the place look nice. You can see the owners of the properties have been handy with the paintbrush and every painted surface looks clean and smart. In the first video there is hardly anything other than what the inhabitants inherited from the past, except for satellite dishes. I've lived in both types of area and know people well in both types of area. In the south they are often busy. In the north they figure out ways to avoid working too hard, as per the minimal effort, why bother attitude. Together they could rebuild that town like the Victorian ancestors did. One would think they could make a far better job of it as well. I mean they have some 150 years advancement in technology and knowledge, don't they? My father's favourite advice is, "It's no good waiting for someone else to do it for you. You have to do it yourself".
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Post by ginnyg2 on Dec 20, 2023 12:37:08 GMT
In our (Northern) town we have a band of volunteers who do us proud with flowers and well maintained open spaces. Obviously at this time of year they are a bit bleak but come next summer I'll post some pics. If I remember that is.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 20, 2023 14:13:21 GMT
Even in the South you have neglected suburbs.
Not sure there are easy answers obviously wealth is a factor though very few want to pay more tax and those that could tend to move borders.
Previously acknowledged that state industries sucking up unskilled labour brought wealth to less salubrious areas now those industries have gone they struggle.
I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, everyone wants full time and then we have automation factors.
Even harder if you are worn out and an ex-alcoholic like one in your clip.
Personally like what Jersey used to do, pay people an allowance of over £100 per week (a decade ago) to be on call for emergency events like dealing with emergency weather re blocked storm drains or clearing snow. Here the councils tend to play the lowest as a contract job.
It is becoming 'No Country for Old Men.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 22, 2023 15:17:35 GMT
Even in the South you have neglected suburbs. Not sure there are easy answers obviously wealth is a factor though very few want to pay more tax and those that could tend to move borders. Previously acknowledged that state industries sucking up unskilled labour brought wealth to less salubrious areas now those industries have gone they struggle. I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, everyone wants full time and then we have automation factors. Even harder if you are worn out and an ex-alcoholic like one in your clip. Personally like what Jersey used to do, pay people an allowance of over £100 per week (a decade ago) to be on call for emergency events like dealing with emergency weather re blocked storm drains or clearing snow. Here the councils tend to play the lowest as a contract job. It is becoming 'No Country for Old Men. I suggested the northerners do it themselves rather than relying on some government help, re the Thatcher "No such thing as society" philosophy. Here is the reply: You see, it is all give me give me and can't do unless you give me etc.
I was a kid where my parents said if you want money you earn it yourself. As a kid of no money and no help I did indeed create a business. What these idiots forget which is what I did not even as a child is you start small and then you build up. This is how capitalism works. There are many things you can do to earn money with what you have already got, and once you earn enough you put that cash into buying things which will earn you more. I mean Clarks shoes started with two men who made cheap rugs. Their cheap rugs were something everyone used, so they made enough cash from that to start up shoe production.
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Post by Hutchyns on Dec 24, 2023 9:14:15 GMT
Baron von Lotsov There has been a concerted effort over the past 20 or 30 years, to condition the public to leave everything to the State, and often to punish them if they attempt to involve themselves in improving or rectifying a situation. It is visible in every aspect of life, residents warned or fined if they tidy up grass verges or areas that Councils have neglected or allowed to become eyesores, even in sport when a player or players have tackled or removed pitch invaders ….the player themselves has then been sent off, as the approved reaction is to stand and watch until a couple of overweight slow and bulky stewards chase the miscreant around the pitch for 10 minutes in an attempt to catch them. Attempt to apprehend or fight off a burglar in your home and you could be liable, particularly if the burglar trips on a loose paving slab in your garden while making off with your hifi … you can phone the Police but that’s all … the State will, or more likely will not, deal with the situation. The kids next door being beaten up and abused by Mum’s latest boyfriend ? … in the past the neighbourhood men would sort the situation out …. or the local Bobby … now people tell themselves it’s not for them to get involved and Social Services monitor the families…. it’s all been taken under the Government’s wing. Think back to last year and Rod Stewart had the temerity to fill in some potholes …. Rod was probably still in his thirties when the Council said they’d assess how bad the potholes were and might eventually get around to some repairs …which naturally never happened …. yet so predictably, as night follows day …. you knew that within 24 hours Rod would be portrayed as the bad guy, officialdom stating that he had no right to pick up his shovel, get some gravel, and get the pothole problem sorted. The State controls almost everything, and daily takes control of more … it would take generations to change Society to cultivate a mindset of doing things for themselves ….. Big Brother has successfully warned them off.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 24, 2023 12:03:00 GMT
Even in the South you have neglected suburbs. Not sure there are easy answers obviously wealth is a factor though very few want to pay more tax and those that could tend to move borders. Previously acknowledged that state industries sucking up unskilled labour brought wealth to less salubrious areas now those industries have gone they struggle. I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, everyone wants full time and then we have automation factors. Even harder if you are worn out and an ex-alcoholic like one in your clip. Personally like what Jersey used to do, pay people an allowance of over £100 per week (a decade ago) to be on call for emergency events like dealing with emergency weather re blocked storm drains or clearing snow. Here the councils tend to play the lowest as a contract job. It is becoming 'No Country for Old Men. I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, --------------- Probably because benefit spongers can still claim full welfare benefits if they only ''work'' part time - they don't want full time jobs as they lose the welfare benefits
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 24, 2023 12:31:02 GMT
Baron von Lotsov There has been a concerted effort over the past 20 or 30 years, to condition the public to leave everything to the State, and often to punish them if they attempt to involve themselves in improving or rectifying a situation. It is visible in every aspect of life, residents warned or fined if they tidy up grass verges or areas that Councils have neglected or allowed to become eyesores, even in sport when a player or players have tackled or removed pitch invaders ….the player themselves has then been sent off, as the approved reaction is to stand and watch until a couple of overweight slow and bulky stewards chase the miscreant around the pitch for 10 minutes in an attempt to catch them. Attempt to apprehend or fight off a burglar in your home and you could be liable, particularly if the burglar trips on a loose paving slab in your garden while making off with your hifi … you can phone the Police but that’s all … the State will, or more likely will not, deal with the situation. The kids next door being beaten up and abused by Mum’s latest boyfriend ? … in the past the neighbourhood men would sort the situation out …. or the local Bobby … now people tell themselves it’s not for them to get involved and Social Services monitor the families…. it’s all been taken under the Government’s wing. Think back to last year and Rod Stewart had the temerity to fill in some potholes …. Rod was probably still in his thirties when the Council said they’d assess how bad the potholes were and might eventually get around to some repairs …which naturally never happened …. yet so predictably, as night follows day …. you knew that within 24 hours Rod would be portrayed as the bad guy, officialdom stating that he had no right to pick up his shovel, get some gravel, and get the pothole problem sorted. The State controls almost everything, and daily takes control of more … it would take generations to change Society to cultivate a mindset of doing things for themselves ….. Big Brother has successfully warned them off. What you do is encapsulated in the word omertà, which is Sicilian and is said to derive from the Spanish meaning manliness. What they don't know about they can't do anything about. Applying this code on your local council estate would wipe out social workers and thieves virtually overnight. It would help create a common bond between residents. Everyone could run their own business and the council would see the estate as the model citizens: zero crime, zero family disputes, zero sexual harassment and zero every other negative their fiendish minds devise. The result would be these useless cretins would be out of a job and they too would need to survive then through self-employment.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 24, 2023 12:58:57 GMT
Even in the South you have neglected suburbs. Not sure there are easy answers obviously wealth is a factor though very few want to pay more tax and those that could tend to move borders. Previously acknowledged that state industries sucking up unskilled labour brought wealth to less salubrious areas now those industries have gone they struggle. I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, everyone wants full time and then we have automation factors. Even harder if you are worn out and an ex-alcoholic like one in your clip. Personally like what Jersey used to do, pay people an allowance of over £100 per week (a decade ago) to be on call for emergency events like dealing with emergency weather re blocked storm drains or clearing snow. Here the councils tend to play the lowest as a contract job. It is becoming 'No Country for Old Men. I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, , not clever --------------- Probably because benefit spongers can still claim full welfare benefits if they only ''work'' part time - they don't want full time jobs as they lose the welfare benefits A lot have health problems so working 7 hours plus travel is difficult and if forced to puts them on edge, not clever IMO. i think you are referring to income support and I only know one and he hated it yet his health is ok so he went to back to the grindstone but said he will never vote Tory again. How it works might differ between political areas.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 24, 2023 13:08:50 GMT
I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, , not clever --------------- Probably because benefit spongers can still claim full welfare benefits if they only ''work'' part time - they don't want full time jobs as they lose the welfare benefits A lot have health problems so working 7 hours plus travel is difficult and if forced to puts them on edge, not clever IMO. i think you are referring to income support and I only know one and he hated it yet his health is ok so he went to back to the grindstone but said he will never vote Tory again. How it works might differ between political areas. I was referring why part time jobs are in short supply due to the availabilty of full benefits for spongers who work part time www.turn2us.org.uk/get-support/information-for-your-situation/working-hours-benefits-rules/which-benefits-are-affected-by-hours-workedWhich benefits are affected by hours worked?
The following means-tested benefits are affected by how many hours of paid work you and your partner do per week:
Income Support
Jobseeker's Allowance
Working Tax Credit
Employment and Support Allowance
Universal Credit is affected by the amount you earn, but not by the number of hours you work. Read more about the Universal Credit rules.How are benefits affected by hours worked? Income Support or Jobseeker's Allowance For Income Support (IS) or Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA), you are classed as working full time if you do 16 hours or more paid work per week. Your partner is considered to be working full time if they do 24 or more hours paid work per week. You doing 16 hours or your partner doing 24 hours work will mean you cannot get the benefit anymore. If you are working less than 16 hours per week, and your partner is working less than 24 hours per week, then you may be eligible to claim these benefits but the amount you are entitled to could be affected by any earnings you have. You can use our benefit calculator to check how much your earnings will affect your benefits. Working Tax Credit If you or your partner work too many hours to be eligible for IS or JSA you may be eligible to receive Working Tax Credit (WTC) instead. You can't make new claims for Working Tax Credit unless you already get Child Tax Credit. To get Working Tax Credit, you and/or your partner must work at least a certain number of hours per week: If you are single and responsible for a child, you must work at least 16 hours per week If you qualify for the disability element of WTC, or are over 60 years old, you must work at least 16 hours per week If you are a couple and responsible for a child you must, in most cases, work at least 24 hours between you (with one of you working at least 16 hours) Otherwise, you must be aged 25 or over and work at least 30 hours a week. Employment and Support Allowance You normally can't do any work while claiming Employment and Support Allowance. However, you can do what's known as 'permitted work' and remain entitled to Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). If you claim income-related ESA, your partner can work less than 24 hours per week doing any type of paid work but their earnings could affect the amount you are entitled to. if you claim Contributory or New Style Employment and Support Allowance, your partner's work hours will not affect your entitlement to ESA, because it is based on your national insurance contribution record. Universal Credit
Working hours do not affect Universal Credit. Universal Credit is paid to people in or out of work, and you (or your partner) can work any number of hours and still qualify. Your Universal Credit payments will adjust to your earnings. You can use our Benefits Calculator to find out how increasing your hours or starting a new job could affect what you get.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 24, 2023 13:38:04 GMT
ratcliff the crux is getting medical acknowledgement and they do not recognise many conditions one of the reasons why a lot of men take their lives.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 24, 2023 13:44:48 GMT
I personally think even in the South there is a dearth of part-time jobs, , not clever --------------- Probably because benefit spongers can still claim full welfare benefits if they only ''work'' part time - they don't want full time jobs as they lose the welfare benefits A lot have health problems so working 7 hours plus travel is difficult and if forced to puts them on edge, not clever IMO. i think you are referring to income support and I only know one and he hated it yet his health is ok so he went to back to the grindstone but said he will never vote Tory again. How it works might differ between political areas. I think you inadvertently mentioned another issue here which is part of the problem, and that is travel. Lets say you are poor and either you own a car and spend a large proportion of your income keeping it on the road and paying petrol or you rely on the shoddy public transport system, then the obvious problem staring you in the face is inefficiency, which is why you are so poor. In short, you are being dicked about with by stupid faceless officials who care zero about your welfare. The solution is of course to think locally. Say you live in a poor community. You have inputs and you have outputs. You buy stuff in and sell products beyond the local community. You want an efficient system locally, so people can source cheap supplies of what they use locally. One could rebuild local industry from the ground up. You want to try and replace corporate products where the money flows out of the community and try and source locally, so if something goes wrong you also have local assistance. It's doing essentially what we did in the past before we had socialism. For example how London rebuilt itself after the war. The land was cheap, just as those northern lands are. You can buy a house of five grand in some areas like Doncaster for example. The depressed prices are due to the crime and decay of the properties and upkeep of the streets. So what you do is if you have the time and not the money, you buy cheap, put your graft in, improve the housing, make the streets safe through community groups of security and in a few years you will find the house you paid 5 grand for is now worth well over a hundred grand. Indeed what I speak of is in part similar to what has been going on in my area. It was very cheap to live and all falling into disrepair, but in the last ten years you see many independent businesses start up and now you can tell people are doing better as house prices have risen substantially and the place is buzzing with trade and activity. You would be hard-pressed to find one commercial or shop premises which is vacant. It bucks the trend of the entire country.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 24, 2023 13:49:10 GMT
ratcliff the crux is getting medical acknowledgement and they do not recognise many conditions one of the reasons why a lot of men take their lives. I'm disagreeing with you as to why part time jobs are in short supply , not some of your ideas as to suicide Why work full time if you still get paid for doing eff all outside a minimal hours job? Diagnosis for lazyitis is generally made these days under the all embracing definition of ''mental health'' (the new bad back)
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Post by bancroft on Dec 24, 2023 14:08:46 GMT
ratcliff the crux is getting medical acknowledgement and they do not recognise many conditions one of the reasons why a lot of men take their lives. I'm disagreeing with you as to why part time jobs are in short supply , not some of your ideas as to suicide Why work full time if you still get paid for doing eff all outside a minimal hours job? Diagnosis for lazyitis is generally made these days under the all embracing definition of ''mental health'' (the new bad back) Yes I've seen both sides scammers and those on the other side too.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 24, 2023 14:14:58 GMT
ratcliff the crux is getting medical acknowledgement and they do not recognise many conditions one of the reasons why a lot of men take their lives. I'm disagreeing with you as to why part time jobs are in short supply , not some of your ideas as to suicide Why work full time if you still get paid for doing eff all outside a minimal hours job? Diagnosis for lazyitis is generally made these days under the all embracing definition of ''mental health'' (the new bad back) I think it is this very so called benefits system which is causing the blight. If you are trapped in this system of claiming universal credit whilst being forced to take zero hour contracts from dodgy agencies then you could short circuit this entire scam. The problem is these officials spend most of their time wasting your time, so like I know people who just don't claim the benefits they are entitled to because they are much happier sourcing their own work. One simple example of how talking to your fellow people can really help is lets say there is a woman who claims universal credit and there is another woman who gets to do a fulltime job but has to claim child credits and pay through the nose for child care. Why not instead, give the child care work to the woman who was on universal credit so she has now got an income which makes up for what the dole would pay, and the two of them are now free from any official crap. The money the woman earns in a fulltime job then buys local services thereby helping others off these benefits. When no one is claiming benefits then all the time wasted is saved and put into useful productive work. As they progress down this track people will find all manner of good tricks to improve productivity and increase wealth of the whole area. The trick is operate with zero constraints. Anything that tries to unnecessarily constrain you, you try your best to ditch. The less constrains placed on the economic system the freer the system is able to optimise.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 24, 2023 14:38:28 GMT
I'm disagreeing with you as to why part time jobs are in short supply , not some of your ideas as to suicide Why work full time if you still get paid for doing eff all outside a minimal hours job? Diagnosis for lazyitis is generally made these days under the all embracing definition of ''mental health'' (the new bad back) I think it is this very so called benefits system which is causing the blight. If you are trapped in this system of claiming universal credit whilst being forced to take zero hour contracts from dodgy agencies then you could short circuit this entire scam. The problem is these officials spend most of their time wasting your time, so like I know people who just don't claim the benefits they are entitled to because they are much happier sourcing their own work. One simple example of how talking to your fellow people can really help is lets say there is a woman who claims universal credit and there is another woman who gets to do a fulltime job but has to claim child credits and pay through the nose for child care. Why not instead, give the child care work to the woman who was on universal credit so she has now got an income which makes up for what the dole would pay, and the two of them are now free from any official crap. The money the woman earns in a fulltime job then buys local services thereby helping others off these benefits. When no one is claiming benefits then all the time wasted is saved and put into useful productive work. As they progress down this track people will find all manner of good tricks to improve productivity and increase wealth of the whole area. The trick is operate with zero constraints. Anything that tries to unnecessarily constrain you, you try your best to ditch. The less constrains placed on the economic system the freer the system is able to optimise. I don't disagree with your idea but whilst welfare spongers are able to bank benefit levels akin to the salary of a taxed working person ( sponger untaxed, no benefit cap if they claim some so called disability ,plus rent at least part paid if not FOC ) then there is no incentive for a sponger to leave the gravy train of handouts with no obligations on their part- they are too ''entitled'' In my view I'd go further, spongers get far too much and its unaccountable - they should only receive personalised food vouchers exchangeable in major supermarkets only - no booze/fags/sky/netflix/luxuries/Spanish Costas etc. Travel warrants can be awarded for necessary bus/train A very nominal amount could be allowed in cash per month for incidentals - say £40 per calendar month If they don't like it they could always get a job and earn their own money
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